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SirGoodMood
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States18 Posts
June 14 2012 06:47 GMT
#1
Just a quick little thought, not much to say about it now, but I've had some crazy idea that there are Micro and Macro mechanics that are present in casting Starcraft 2, as much as there are in actually playing it as well. The things you choose to show on the screen, the tabs that you look at and even the little things like moving around with your middle mouse.

I don't have much to say, but I need to start looking at some VoDs by Tasteless/Artosis, Day[9]/Husky, Khaldor/Wolf, TotalBiscuit/d.Apollo and all those other great casters. I know it's gonna be hard breaking into the casting scene as much as it is breaking into the professional scene, but I know there's a way, and it focuses on 'casting mechanics'.

It would suck to come back to the Starcraft 2 community, 4 years from now, only to find the same 12 casters commenting games. In the same way it would suck to find the same 30 or so pros at the top. Sure, it's awesome to see crazy win streaks, but I want to see some new blood coming into the scene, and casters aren't excluded from this.

Better hurry, where's my pen and paper? I've got a lot of learning to do.

*
I don't want to change the world, I just want to show that it's possible.
SirGoodMood
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States18 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 11:37:33
June 14 2012 10:58 GMT
#2
I've spent a good 6-7 hours or so reading through nearly every single thread related to Starcraft 2 casting on Team Liquid. Got through a ton of stuff and now to start compiling it into something neat and presentable.

I'm actually surprised that my blog is getting so many hits, I guess it's a lot more visible than I thought. In that case, I'd like to toss a link to my Youtube channel, just once more so people can take a look. I'm looking to improve my casting and am currently trying to figure out if I can reverse engineer some of the better casters to find the key aspects that make a great caster, well, great.

In the meantime, I would very much appreciate any form of feedback on my own casting! Thanks in advance!

http://www.youtube.com/user/SirGoodMood?feature=mhee

Edit: Turns out it's 4:35am, so I'm going to bed and will get up tomorrow to work more on this. >.>;;

Thank you for all of the views, even if you don't watch my videos, I'm still encouraged knowing that there are people still curious enough to click on my links and see what's up. Hopefully, I'll be able to get something in the coming days.
I don't want to change the world, I just want to show that it's possible.
EneMecH
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom218 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 13:23:59
June 14 2012 12:50 GMT
#3
I noticed some gaps in your speech when casting. I think keeping a better flow would be better, as you can see in a lot of the best casters, if you'd like I'd love to help you practice it with me dual casting. Try to establish whats going on as early as possible and then build off of it and what you said earlier. Building off of and leading on from what you said previously is one of the most IMPORTANT aspects of casting, especially solo casting

Also, not sure how experienced you are exactly but some of what you said didn't make a massive amount of sense. "It's really important you have the three gates to protect your phoenixes, especially if you're going a lot of phoenixes". But if you have more gateway units you're going to have less phoenixes and vice versa... hmm it just feels a little like if you said "It's really important to have the stalkers when you go sentry-zealot, especially in the early and midgame because it makes your army more versatile and your sentries less vulnerable."

So you can also try to get into the fights more if you want it to sound better. I.E: When watching hero defend the 4gate you could have said "Look at that great micro by hero, as he's pulling back the sentry after it BARELY takes more than shield damage." during the period when you were silent, created a sort of awkward effect. It's really important to be talking during the battles or it feels pretty awkward. I.E: Not like a commentary necessarily. You should never be shy to say what seems obvious...trust me, viewers prefer it to blank audio space! How about "Now, stargate play is something we've seen quite a lot from hero in the past, he has also been one of those players who have used builds like the 3 gate stargate all-in in Protoss vs Terran when that was a more recent build, so this style will probably not at all be something he's unfamiliar with." And then when hero does a good move, you look good and the cast is improved Basically, remember, you're commentating the game for a watcher not just watching it with a buddy and chiming in with your 2 cents.

When you solo cast it's important to remember to switch from analysis to play-by-play. It seemed as if you were solo casting as if it was a dual cast, chiming in every now and then and then leaving a gap for your imaginary partner to fill in.

Really I'm not trying to bash or supercriticize you, you're doing a good effort, I'm just trying to point out some advice.

Sorry if I seem overly critical.

I'm EneMalicious on skype if you're interested in practicing with me.

Tears soaks each hand the dealer's dealt. But time taught me how to see every second as heaven even when they're perfectly disguised as hell.
SirGoodMood
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States18 Posts
June 14 2012 20:23 GMT
#4
Thanks very much EneMecH!
I'd be more than interested in practicing with you, but as you're in the UK, I don't know how the time difference would work out. Hopefully it wouldn't be at awkward hours that are inconvenient for either of us.

As for the awkward silences, I'd started out casting with an old friend of mine. I'd play Zerg and he'd play Protoss, and we would bounce around back and forth during the casts. I suppose I'm still used to the whole duo caster dynamic thing. And about the "saying things that don't make sense bit", I know what I want to say, just not how to say it correctly when the time calls for it. What I meant to say was that Phoenixes are extremely weak units and need the support of stronger Gateway units if they were going for a big engagement. It made sense in my brain, but kinda ended up as a trainwreck when it came out of my mouth.

Thanks for all of the suggestions and tips, you did not come off as overly critical. I'm actually very grateful for your input as input like this is hard to find. Most people just tell me "good job!" and I keep doing what I'm doing without changing things, so thank you!

I'm SirGoodMood on Skype (I'm pretty much SirGoodMood or GoodMood just anywhere, haha) if you'd like to add me as well!
I don't want to change the world, I just want to show that it's possible.
EneMecH
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom218 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 19:29:36
June 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#5
Just a pretty amusing little chat with this guy on skype.

He comes off as pretty ignorant with a very inflated opinion of himself. He seems to have some odd American Middle-Class extremely thin skin.

If any Americans read this, I got to wonder, is it usualy like this, do American teenagers all meet up in their little groups and talk to each other "Oh, how are you today, old chap". "I must say I'm doing quite well"? or is this guy just, and sorry if this sounds harsher than it's supposed to, a friendless social outcast in the most literal sense of the phrase?

I only ask because he gives me the impression that he lacks the psychological security to laugh at himself, or even understand and cope with this behaviour in others without feeling intimidated. Either way I can't imagine him as anything other than a rich private student who's only friends are pretentious future wall-street pigs.

Tl;Dr: Intellectually and socially insecure individual. Extremely passive-agressive. Probably listens to only Mozart because he doesn't know any lesser known classical composers and spends a lot of his time on mainstream hip hop and metal videos writing about how talentless the genres are.

Alternative: Suffers from a high-functioning case of autism or similar mental disorder. Never recieved the proper care to overcome the social and emotional impacts of his condition.

[+ Show Spoiler +
19:51:13] T B: hey nigga
[19:52:27] *** Call to sirgoodmood, no answer. ***
[20:00:39] sirgoodmood: alright, so i hoped it wouldn't come to this
[20:00:41] sirgoodmood: but here's the thing
[20:00:52] sirgoodmood: i'd hope that you'd be more mature
[20:00:57] T B: I am
[20:00:57] sirgoodmood: but it's clear that you're not
[20:01:06] T B: you not even skyped with me lol iim just feeling not so great today
[20:01:17] sirgoodmood: the mere fact that you tried to start a conversation with "hey nigga"
[20:01:23] sirgoodmood: already proves that you are not mature
[20:01:23] T B: haha
[20:01:25] T B: not really
[20:01:26] sirgoodmood: i'm sorry you feel bad
[20:01:30] sirgoodmood: but here's the thing
[20:01:34] T B: It's pretty
[20:01:35] T B: irrelevant
[20:01:41] T B: I say it to all my skype friends online
[20:01:44] sirgoodmood: i won't bring myself to associate myself with you
[20:01:47] T B: haha
[20:01:52] sirgoodmood: especially if you use that word so loosely
[20:01:56] T B: LOL
[20:02:00] T B: do you even
[20:02:01] T B: know what it means
[20:02:09] sirgoodmood: i'm not particular sorry about this, but i would prefer that you stop contacting me
[20:02:13] T B: lol
[20:02:24] sirgoodmood: so, please, do not contact me again
[20:02:32] T B: you're hillarious
[20:02:34] T B: what happens if
[20:02:39] T B: someone puts some hip hop on
[20:02:42] T B: you shit bricks?
[20:02:50] sirgoodmood: please, i will not ask again.
[20:02:53] T B: its usual for
[20:02:55] T B: EU server
[20:02:56] T B: idk how it is in NA
[20:02:58] T B: but
[20:03:03] sirgoodmood: do not contact me, i'm tired of having to try to converse with you.
[20:03:08] T B: you haven't
[20:03:13] T B: tried to
[20:03:20] T B: all I said was hey nigga
[20:03:32] sirgoodmood: you haven't shown that you are mature enough for me to attempt
[20:03:34] T B: this isn't a conversation
[20:03:39] T B: lol oh that's how it works
[20:03:47] T B: I send you my
[20:03:49] T B: CV
[20:03:52] T B: on how mature I am
[20:03:54] T B: and you read it
[20:03:56] T B: then approve it
[20:04:00] T B: then you start a conversation
[20:04:10] sirgoodmood: there's no need, you've already shown otherwise, so please, stop contacting me
[20:04:12] T B: is this normal in NA?
[20:04:21] T B: I feel like it is
[20:04:27] T B: like the whole indirectness of it
[20:04:28] sirgoodmood: no, it's not normal, i just hold myself to a higher standard than you meet up to
[20:04:30] T B: like the whole
[20:04:31] T B: being a cunt
[20:04:35] T B: but pretending not to
[20:04:42] T B: here in the UK
[20:04:50] T B: it's an attitude that'd just get you punched
[20:05:08] T B: you don't know a fucking thing about me
[20:05:19] T B: but I feel like coming to europe would shock you
[20:05:27] T B: Europe has a banter culture
Tears soaks each hand the dealer's dealt. But time taught me how to see every second as heaven even when they're perfectly disguised as hell.
SirGoodMood
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States18 Posts
June 17 2012 19:54 GMT
#6
On June 18 2012 04:17 EneMecH wrote:
Just a pretty amusing little chat with this guy on skype.


Thank you for cherry picking conversation points to best suit your case.

In any regards, I'm incredibly disappointed to have caused a stir with someone from the community so early into my attempt at getting into it. However, I expected some level of maturity and found it lacking, especially from you, EneMech. Excessively using profanities and racist words, whether or not it is in a private chat, is something that I would prefer to distance myself from. I don't care if it's to be friendly or casual or anything of the sort.

I have requested that you stop contacting me, and I will not ask again.
I don't want to change the world, I just want to show that it's possible.
EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 20:21:05
June 17 2012 20:12 GMT
#7
On June 18 2012 04:54 SirGoodMood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 04:17 EneMecH wrote:
Just a pretty amusing little chat with this guy on skype.


Thank you for cherry picking conversation points to best suit your case.

In any regards, I'm incredibly disappointed to have caused a stir with someone from the community so early into my attempt at getting into it. However, I expected some level of maturity and found it lacking, especially from you, EneMech. Excessively using profanities and racist words, whether or not it is in a private chat, is something that I would prefer to distance myself from. I don't care if it's to be friendly or casual or anything of the sort.

I have requested that you stop contacting me, and I will not ask again.


Cherry pick? I copy-pasted the entire thing.

Profanities?
1. I don't see any.
2. This isn't a children's forum. You're liable to hear profanities from this community. If it upsets you, you should probably go find a PG-13 game or a christian forum. Not to mention, saying that it offends you beforehand, instead of shunning and insulting anyone (like a pussy, as well, not even directly) who says anything that penetrates your paper thin skin.

Ontop of that, it's obviously not a "racist word". Whatever that is.
I've actually never heard anyone say "nigga" who was racist. I've heard someone say "Nigger" before.... in documentaries and movies and Orb screenshots. But you really need to wisen up if you don't understand how widely used "nigga" is, especially in the hip-hop and gaming communities.

Not to mention that you're clearly fucking asian from your profile picture, so you can't even pretend to have miscontrewed it as a racially hateful comment.

EDIT: Stupid Internet Explorer 9 ^_^
I'm embarrased by my past actions and even more ashamed of my present thoughts and future endeavors to clear my name.
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
June 17 2012 20:16 GMT
#8
On June 18 2012 04:17 EneMecH wrote:
Just a pretty amusing little chat with this guy on skype.

He comes off as pretty ignorant with a very inflated opinion of himself. He seems to have some odd American Middle-Class extremely thin skin.

If any Americans read this, I got to wonder, is it usualy like this, do American teenagers all meet up in their little groups and talk to each other "Oh, how are you today, old chap". "I must say I'm doing quite well"? or is this guy just, and sorry if this sounds harsher than it's supposed to, a friendless social outcast in the most literal sense of the phrase?

I only ask because he gives me the impression that he lacks the psychological security to laugh at himself, or even understand and cope with this behaviour in others without feeling intimidated. Either way I can't imagine him as anything other than a rich private student who's only friends are pretentious future wall-street pigs.

Tl;Dr: Intellectually and socially insecure individual. Extremely passive-agressive. Probably listens to only Mozart because he doesn't know any lesser known classical composers and spends a lot of his time on mainstream hip hop and metal videos writing about how talentless the genres are.

Alternative: Suffers from a high-functioning case of autism or similar mental disorder. Never recieved the proper care to overcome the social and emotional impacts of his condition.

[+ Show Spoiler +
19:51:13] T B: hey nigga
[19:52:27] *** Call to sirgoodmood, no answer. ***
[20:00:39] sirgoodmood: alright, so i hoped it wouldn't come to this
[20:00:41] sirgoodmood: but here's the thing
[20:00:52] sirgoodmood: i'd hope that you'd be more mature
[20:00:57] T B: I am
[20:00:57] sirgoodmood: but it's clear that you're not
[20:01:06] T B: you not even skyped with me lol iim just feeling not so great today
[20:01:17] sirgoodmood: the mere fact that you tried to start a conversation with "hey nigga"
[20:01:23] sirgoodmood: already proves that you are not mature
[20:01:23] T B: haha
[20:01:25] T B: not really
[20:01:26] sirgoodmood: i'm sorry you feel bad
[20:01:30] sirgoodmood: but here's the thing
[20:01:34] T B: It's pretty
[20:01:35] T B: irrelevant
[20:01:41] T B: I say it to all my skype friends online
[20:01:44] sirgoodmood: i won't bring myself to associate myself with you
[20:01:47] T B: haha
[20:01:52] sirgoodmood: especially if you use that word so loosely
[20:01:56] T B: LOL
[20:02:00] T B: do you even
[20:02:01] T B: know what it means
[20:02:09] sirgoodmood: i'm not particular sorry about this, but i would prefer that you stop contacting me
[20:02:13] T B: lol
[20:02:24] sirgoodmood: so, please, do not contact me again
[20:02:32] T B: you're hillarious
[20:02:34] T B: what happens if
[20:02:39] T B: someone puts some hip hop on
[20:02:42] T B: you shit bricks?
[20:02:50] sirgoodmood: please, i will not ask again.
[20:02:53] T B: its usual for
[20:02:55] T B: EU server
[20:02:56] T B: idk how it is in NA
[20:02:58] T B: but
[20:03:03] sirgoodmood: do not contact me, i'm tired of having to try to converse with you.
[20:03:08] T B: you haven't
[20:03:13] T B: tried to
[20:03:20] T B: all I said was hey nigga
[20:03:32] sirgoodmood: you haven't shown that you are mature enough for me to attempt
[20:03:34] T B: this isn't a conversation
[20:03:39] T B: lol oh that's how it works
[20:03:47] T B: I send you my
[20:03:49] T B: CV
[20:03:52] T B: on how mature I am
[20:03:54] T B: and you read it
[20:03:56] T B: then approve it
[20:04:00] T B: then you start a conversation
[20:04:10] sirgoodmood: there's no need, you've already shown otherwise, so please, stop contacting me
[20:04:12] T B: is this normal in NA?
[20:04:21] T B: I feel like it is
[20:04:27] T B: like the whole indirectness of it
[20:04:28] sirgoodmood: no, it's not normal, i just hold myself to a higher standard than you meet up to
[20:04:30] T B: like the whole
[20:04:31] T B: being a cunt
[20:04:35] T B: but pretending not to
[20:04:42] T B: here in the UK
[20:04:50] T B: it's an attitude that'd just get you punched
[20:05:08] T B: you don't know a fucking thing about me
[20:05:19] T B: but I feel like coming to europe would shock you
[20:05:27] T B: Europe has a banter culture


God I have never seen a more obnoxious person in my life, do you know this guy in real life and try to give him shit or what? Good god dude - get a life
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EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 20:21:47
June 17 2012 20:20 GMT
#9
From how passive-agressive he is online, I couldn't imagine giving him shit IRL, he's obviously a massive introvert.

Not to mention that we live on different sides of the atlantic ocean, as you should have been able to gather, had you actually read what I posted.
I'm embarrased by my past actions and even more ashamed of my present thoughts and future endeavors to clear my name.
SirGoodMood
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States18 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#10

Ontop of that, it's obviously not a "racist word". Whatever that is.
I've actually never heard anyone say "nigga" who was racist. I've heard someone say "Nigger" before.... in documentaries and movies and Orb screenshots. But you really need to wisen up if you don't understand how widely used "nigga" is, especially in the hip-hop and gaming communities.

Not to mention that you're clearly fucking asian from your profile picture, so you can't even pretend to have miscontrewed it as a racially hateful comment.


First off, this will be your last post, as I will promptly ban you from posting in my blog again.

Second, regardless of what YOU think, it's not what your intended message was, it's the impact of the words you say. You may think that "nigga" or "nigger" is a colloquial word that you can use among your friends, but it's not appropriate to simply assume anything when speaking online.

Yes, I'm Asian.
Does that mean that I should continue to associate myself with people who use profanity or racist remarks?
No.
Does that mean that I should accept other's colloquial use of the word "nigga" or "nigger"?
No.

It may not directly affect me, but I'm sure as heck not going to allow, accept or enable its use simply because it doesn't insult me directly.

Finally, I wish your best in your life.
I don't want to change the world, I just want to show that it's possible.
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