On June 13 2012 16:48 TOloseGT wrote:
Yea, I'm gonna call bullshit on some of these analogies people in here are throwing around. Homophobia and NBA teams? Come on now.

Homophobia is an averse opinion towards homosexuals. How is it different from your NBA team preferences?

EneMecH

United Kingdom218 Posts

June 13 2012 09:31 GMT

#23

On June 13 2012 18:03 AngryFarmer wrote:

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Homophobia is an averse opinion towards homosexuals. How is it different from your NBA team preferences?

How is it the same? In any way other than Homosexual and "Celtic Fan" both being nouns?

You've got to be trolling me...

r.Evo

Germany14081 Posts

June 13 2012 09:36 GMT

#24

If you don't like homosexuals, black people or whoever, whatever the hell you want it's completely fine no one can and no one should forbid you that.

If you run around the streets claiming they should be killed, smacked or if you insult them for no reason besides their race/sexuality etc. pp. it's not fine. Shit isn't rocket science. =/

dragoon

United States695 Posts

June 13 2012 09:56 GMT

#25

On June 13 2012 18:36 r.Evo wrote:
If you don't like homosexuals, black people or whoever, whatever the hell you want it's completely fine no one can and no one should forbid you that.

If you run around the streets claiming they should be killed, smacked or if you insult them for no reason besides their race/sexuality etc. pp. it's not fine. Shit isn't rocket science. =/

my thoughts exactly.

essentially, this is just fucking disgusting.

Nallen

United Kingdom134 Posts

June 13 2012 10:09 GMT

#26

If you hate someone, in the true meaning of the word, because of a sports team then you have your own issues. If you can't see why something being biologically predetermined is different to a freely made choice your issue probably stems from having an IQ of 80.

As others have said your mind is your own, it's actions based on prejudice which is so obviously objectionable.

ShadeR

Australia7535 Posts

June 13 2012 11:22 GMT

#27

On June 13 2012 16:07 Probulous wrote:

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Your choice of basketball team is not the same as someone's sexuality.

Love it when people use horrible false analogies to argue =/

Chef

10810 Posts

June 13 2012 11:38 GMT

#28

On June 13 2012 15:21 EienShinwa wrote:

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Being homophobic isn't a crime or something that is wrong, just like how being homosexual isn't a crime. It's exactly as T.O.P. said it, the problem is he killed two people. People who denounce homophobes are on the same level as them and vice versa.

This is something really dumb to be tolerant about. If homophobia really was the motivation (I don't know why anyone would think a baby was gay, but whatever) then it's not wrong to call it a contributing factor in the crime. Just like it's not wrong to call racism a contributing factor in many crimes committed by the KKK. Homophobia and racism both have lead to the deaths of many. What you are trying to argue is that these people would have found reasons to kill anyway, but I don't think that's necessarily true. Ya, not all racist or homophobic people are going to go to such lengths as murder and sacrifice their well being in society, but crimes have motivations and to just say murders murder because they're crazy murders is pretty useless and backwards. Criminal theory is a lot more complicated than just 'some people are bad/crazy' these days.

Deleted User 101379

4849 Posts

June 13 2012 11:46 GMT

#29

The article and topic title are really misleading...
It's not homophobia that led to the killing, it's crazyness combined with stupidity. If it wasn't homophobia, he probably would have killed them once they voted for democrats/republics or something similar. Yeah, in this case homophobia was the trigger but if that didn't happen, something else would have triggered the same action later.

It's sad that such mentally unstable people are often only recognized as such after someone dies/gets hurt.

Talin

Montenegro10532 Posts

June 13 2012 12:15 GMT

#30

On June 13 2012 19:09 Nallen wrote:
If you hate someone, in the true meaning of the word, because of a sports team then you have your own issues.

There are hundreds of thousands of people with those issues then. Also there is no "true meaning of word" when it comes to hate - it comes in different shades and intensities.

I personally hate people of certain political affiliations, as well as people who do certain things as a profession (in what I believe is the true meaning of the word, as in I wish they did not exist in my environment, or anywhere really). Though I suppose the difference in this case is that while these groups of people do affect me negatively, whereas homosexuals don't really affect anyone negatively.

Either way, it's fine to come to terms to what you actually dislike and the intensity by which you dislike said groups/ideas. Just don't cross the line of actively trying to deny them rights or cause them harm.

On topic, I agree that homophobia isn't really what pushed this guy to do this.

Aelonius

Netherlands432 Posts

June 13 2012 13:37 GMT

#31

You know, while this guy probaly would use any excuse to commit like a crazy lunatic, it does not take away that the homophobia is one of the reasons he may have had. Homophobia is not right. They are people, they have a different preference but that's their business. As long as they do not bother you with it, there's nothing to worry about.

My impression is that outside my own country, gay people are still referred to as despicable, disgusting people that are so wrong in their mind that it's incomprehensible for 90% of the world. Perhaps the number is a bit exaggerated, but the point still remains. Myself I am a neutral person in this. I have met people who are gay and who are the most awesome people to hang out with ever. In Holland we're extremely open to them because they are people. As long as they don't force us to follow their mindset, there's no single problem at all. Respect and tolerance... something the world is losing rapidly.

People say that homophobia isn't the reason to this act, but it does have influence on this lunatic's thought process. We should stop disregarding that, and start working on the acceptance of gay people. You don't have to like them or hang out with them. All you should do is accept that people are different and as long as they leave you alone then there's nothing to it.

Edit: Spelling

AiurOG

United States98 Posts

June 14 2012 00:29 GMT

#32

People are fucking nuts

EienShinwa

United States655 Posts

June 14 2012 03:43 GMT

#33

On June 13 2012 20:38 Chef wrote:

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I don't understand your logic. Correlation does not imply causation. Just hating homosexuals is not enough intrinsic motivation unless they are mentally unstable. There are plenty of people who feel uncomfortable around homosexuals that don't go around killing them because they have a different sexual preference. This is because they are sane and know that killing someone based on their preferences is wrong, in addition to being illegal. I agree, criminal theory is more complicated than you think, because closing a case by saying "Well, that guy killed the child because he hated homosexuals." is a pretty useless and backwards way of thinking.