• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:18
CEST 07:18
KST 14:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)39Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) Etiquete rules in Asl? BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA)
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7389 users

Lenovo and the Thinkpad keyboard change

Blogs > Womwomwom
Post a Reply
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 05 2012 06:56 GMT
#1
[image loading]

As you may know, the legendary IBM Thinkpad keyboard is almost dead. Lenovo plans to replace these keyboards with their "AccuType" chiclets. As you can see (I think the image is of the soon-to-be-released X230 ultraportable) there are changes to keyboard format. The main ones would be reducing the number of rows to only 6 and changing the keyboard key sizes.

The AccuType certainly a good keyboard but not as good as the IBM half height laptop keyboard. I think its much better than the chiclet keyboards found on other business grade laptops like Precisions, Elitebooks, and Macbooks.

I understand the reasoning behind the change. The benefits of a chiclet keyboard are pretty good: it allows easy keyboard backlighting, it can save space allowing you to cram larger trackpads, and you can generally have a thinner laptop.

But look at the picture. Can you really say Lenovo took advantage of any of the benefits besides keyboard backlighting?

1) Eliminating the 7th row and going chiclet saves quite a bit of space...however Lenovo has done nothing with the space savings. Look at this image and look at how much wasted space is at the top.
2) A shift to chiclet keys probably means no spill protection. Thinkpads are known for ruggedness so Lenovo has eliminated one of their main selling points.
3) The space savings don't really translate to a larger, more usable trackpad design. Its still as awful as the trackpad on the X220...it might be a little bit wider but still a bad design.
4) Lenovo still don't use 16:10 screens so there's this rather thick bezel under the screen.

So Lenovo has made a change only to take advantage of none of it. Even if they did think that the AccuType boards were 100% better than the IBM boards, the designers are still doing an awful job because there is just so much wasted space.

Not only that, their laptops are slowly becoming just another business laptop instead of being the only easily accessible business laptop (so no Panasonic Toughbooks) with good keyboards. I don't understand the business decision whatsoever.

***
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
May 05 2012 07:18 GMT
#2
I have to work with these Lenovo's all day and they are pieces of junk in most cases. As for the keyboard, I personally don't care much until they move that damn Fn key from where the Ctrl key is on just about every other keyboard.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 05 2012 07:27 GMT
#3
You can just go to bios and switch the Fn and the ctrl key =/
Jaedong :3
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
May 05 2012 07:28 GMT
#4
On May 05 2012 16:27 ReketSomething wrote:
You can just go to bios and switch the Fn and the ctrl key =/


I know, there are ways around it, but in my job, it will just create more hassle with end-users than it is worth.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 05 2012 07:30 GMT
#5
On May 05 2012 16:18 TheAmazombie wrote:
I have to work with these Lenovo's all day and they are pieces of junk in most cases. As for the keyboard, I personally don't care much until they move that damn Fn key from where the Ctrl key is on just about every other keyboard.


You could always to this in the BIOS, which can be found through a quick Google since literally everyone has complained about this from the IBM days.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
May 05 2012 07:59 GMT
#6
On May 05 2012 16:18 TheAmazombie wrote:
I have to work with these Lenovo's all day and they are pieces of junk in most cases. As for the keyboard, I personally don't care much until they move that damn Fn key from where the Ctrl key is on just about every other keyboard.

At least their warranty is easy to deal with.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
May 05 2012 15:48 GMT
#7
On May 05 2012 16:18 TheAmazombie wrote:
I have to work with these Lenovo's all day and they are pieces of junk in most cases. As for the keyboard, I personally don't care much until they move that damn Fn key from where the Ctrl key is on just about every other keyboard.

REally? I've had a pretty good experience with them. Reliable and durable for ~4 years now...
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 05 2012 17:48 GMT
#8
I'm really annoyed by insert / home / pgup / delete / end / pgdn not being in the 2x3 grid, though for the keys themselves, I'd have to feel for myself. I can't say I've tried a chiclet I liked, but the one on the Edge was kind of okay, at least compared to most laptops these days. How does this compare to that?

The Thinkpad keyboard I have now is the older NMB (blue pads) model:
http://www.thinkpads.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44310
forelmashi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
421 Posts
May 05 2012 17:59 GMT
#9
I'm so sad they stopped making IBM rapid access keyboards... gen. 2 was the best keyboard ever
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 02:04:12
May 06 2012 02:01 GMT
#10
On May 06 2012 02:48 Myrmidon wrote:
I'm really annoyed by insert / home / pgup / delete / end / pgdn not being in the 2x3 grid, though for the keys themselves, I'd have to feel for myself. I can't say I've tried a chiclet I liked, but the one on the Edge was kind of okay, at least compared to most laptops these days. How does this compare to that?

The Thinkpad keyboard I have now is the older NMB (blue pads) model:
http://www.thinkpads.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44310


The AccuType keys are exactly the same as the Edge and Ideapad keys. Or at least the keys on the X1 feel exactly the same as the keys on the Edge keyboards. They're the best of the chiclets but they're no match for the IBM-era half height boards or even the current Lenovo boards.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Crank Gathers S4: Group Stage
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
23:00
FSL playoffsTeamLeague STvsASH
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft585
SortOf 74
FoxeR 65
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 467
Shuttle 459
Dewaltoss 106
Terrorterran 28
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm224
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 757
Counter-Strike
summit1g9169
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr49
Other Games
PiGStarcraft311
XaKoH 140
amsayoshi30
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 3752
Other Games
gamesdonequick2420
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 222
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota249
League of Legends
• Stunt444
Other Games
• Scarra1878
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
3h 42m
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
4h 42m
Epic.LAN
7h 42m
IPSL
10h 42m
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
1d 3h
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
OSC
1d 7h
IPSL
1d 10h
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.