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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 05 2012 06:56 GMT
#1
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As you may know, the legendary IBM Thinkpad keyboard is almost dead. Lenovo plans to replace these keyboards with their "AccuType" chiclets. As you can see (I think the image is of the soon-to-be-released X230 ultraportable) there are changes to keyboard format. The main ones would be reducing the number of rows to only 6 and changing the keyboard key sizes.

The AccuType certainly a good keyboard but not as good as the IBM half height laptop keyboard. I think its much better than the chiclet keyboards found on other business grade laptops like Precisions, Elitebooks, and Macbooks.

I understand the reasoning behind the change. The benefits of a chiclet keyboard are pretty good: it allows easy keyboard backlighting, it can save space allowing you to cram larger trackpads, and you can generally have a thinner laptop.

But look at the picture. Can you really say Lenovo took advantage of any of the benefits besides keyboard backlighting?

1) Eliminating the 7th row and going chiclet saves quite a bit of space...however Lenovo has done nothing with the space savings. Look at this image and look at how much wasted space is at the top.
2) A shift to chiclet keys probably means no spill protection. Thinkpads are known for ruggedness so Lenovo has eliminated one of their main selling points.
3) The space savings don't really translate to a larger, more usable trackpad design. Its still as awful as the trackpad on the X220...it might be a little bit wider but still a bad design.
4) Lenovo still don't use 16:10 screens so there's this rather thick bezel under the screen.

So Lenovo has made a change only to take advantage of none of it. Even if they did think that the AccuType boards were 100% better than the IBM boards, the designers are still doing an awful job because there is just so much wasted space.

Not only that, their laptops are slowly becoming just another business laptop instead of being the only easily accessible business laptop (so no Panasonic Toughbooks) with good keyboards. I don't understand the business decision whatsoever.

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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
May 05 2012 07:18 GMT
#2
I have to work with these Lenovo's all day and they are pieces of junk in most cases. As for the keyboard, I personally don't care much until they move that damn Fn key from where the Ctrl key is on just about every other keyboard.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 05 2012 07:27 GMT
#3
You can just go to bios and switch the Fn and the ctrl key =/
Jaedong :3
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
May 05 2012 07:28 GMT
#4
On May 05 2012 16:27 ReketSomething wrote:
You can just go to bios and switch the Fn and the ctrl key =/


I know, there are ways around it, but in my job, it will just create more hassle with end-users than it is worth.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 05 2012 07:30 GMT
#5
On May 05 2012 16:18 TheAmazombie wrote:
I have to work with these Lenovo's all day and they are pieces of junk in most cases. As for the keyboard, I personally don't care much until they move that damn Fn key from where the Ctrl key is on just about every other keyboard.


You could always to this in the BIOS, which can be found through a quick Google since literally everyone has complained about this from the IBM days.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
May 05 2012 07:59 GMT
#6
On May 05 2012 16:18 TheAmazombie wrote:
I have to work with these Lenovo's all day and they are pieces of junk in most cases. As for the keyboard, I personally don't care much until they move that damn Fn key from where the Ctrl key is on just about every other keyboard.

At least their warranty is easy to deal with.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
May 05 2012 15:48 GMT
#7
On May 05 2012 16:18 TheAmazombie wrote:
I have to work with these Lenovo's all day and they are pieces of junk in most cases. As for the keyboard, I personally don't care much until they move that damn Fn key from where the Ctrl key is on just about every other keyboard.

REally? I've had a pretty good experience with them. Reliable and durable for ~4 years now...
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 05 2012 17:48 GMT
#8
I'm really annoyed by insert / home / pgup / delete / end / pgdn not being in the 2x3 grid, though for the keys themselves, I'd have to feel for myself. I can't say I've tried a chiclet I liked, but the one on the Edge was kind of okay, at least compared to most laptops these days. How does this compare to that?

The Thinkpad keyboard I have now is the older NMB (blue pads) model:
http://www.thinkpads.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44310
forelmashi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
421 Posts
May 05 2012 17:59 GMT
#9
I'm so sad they stopped making IBM rapid access keyboards... gen. 2 was the best keyboard ever
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 02:04:12
May 06 2012 02:01 GMT
#10
On May 06 2012 02:48 Myrmidon wrote:
I'm really annoyed by insert / home / pgup / delete / end / pgdn not being in the 2x3 grid, though for the keys themselves, I'd have to feel for myself. I can't say I've tried a chiclet I liked, but the one on the Edge was kind of okay, at least compared to most laptops these days. How does this compare to that?

The Thinkpad keyboard I have now is the older NMB (blue pads) model:
http://www.thinkpads.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44310


The AccuType keys are exactly the same as the Edge and Ideapad keys. Or at least the keys on the X1 feel exactly the same as the keys on the Edge keyboards. They're the best of the chiclets but they're no match for the IBM-era half height boards or even the current Lenovo boards.
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