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Rap music that really grinds my gears

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Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 03:36:11
April 24 2012 22:16 GMT
#1
Hi, since you're on TL, I'll assume you're a reasonably smart person, probably not the kind of person who hears about evolution and thinks "hurr durr why are monekys still around?"

I consider myself to be one of those reasonably smart people, I appreciate science, technology, and the better life they've given us. I also appreciate artists who can think deeply and deliver important messages in their music. Then there are times when you discover that those deep artists had a "hurr durr" streak to them all along and you start going ಠ_ಠ at certain songs.

This is one of those songs:



The chorus is a sample from the song "Sabali" (meaning Patience) by Mamadou and Mariam. Its meaning goes something like "patience, patience, patience is everything / Patience, patience, patience is good / When you love someone." I'm like, damn, that is cool, a rap emphasizing a moderate value, not talking about guns, bitches and ho's.

Then the first verse hits:

Some of the smartest dummies
Can’t read the language of Egyptian mummies
...
And the scientist still can’t explain the pyramids, huh
...
You buy a khaki pants
And all of a sudden you say a Indiana Jones
An’ a thief out gold and thief out the scrolls and even the buried bones
Some of the worst paparazzis I’ve ever seen and I ever known
Put the worst on display so the world can see
And that’s all they will ever show
So the ones in the west
Will never move east
And feel like they could be at home


Holy shit there's a lot going on there. Damian Marley obviously has some ideas about Egyptology, anthropology, and sociology, and he's extrapolated some conclusions from there. Some of those conclusions seem to resonate with the real world, with how Westerners typically perceive Africa and the rest of the world, but let's look back to the beginning:

Some of the smartest dummies
Can’t read the language of Egyptian mummies
...
And the scientist still can’t explain the pyramids, huh

one more section:
...
Scholars teach in Universities and claim that they’re smart and cunning
Tell them find a cure when we sneeze and that’s when their nose start running


What? That's not how science works, that's not what we've learned about Egypt. Fuck. Normally I can handle suspension of disbelief when I listen to most of my music. I can treat Viking metal as being about fiction, I can treat Eminem's raps as ironic or tongue-in-cheek. But then something this anti-intellectual comes out of left field, blindsides me, 6pools me, cannon rushes me, proxy raxes me. What the fuck is going on here? Granted, when artists make a song to advocate something, when they put seemingly deep personal beliefs into their music, it's not going to be to everyone's taste, but typically they choose something that a lot of people can empathize with. Maybe it's just me, but I can't handle this level of ignorance anti-intellectualism in my music.

And on top of that, goddamn, it breaks my heart because the rest of the song and its lyrics actually go against this attitude, they encourage thought and point out the irony and tragedies of our society and daily lives. That's some good shit to deliver through a rap:


It’s crazy when you feed people the truth you don’t know how they’re gonna react. You’re scared of wrong doers, people that just ignorant, You’re scared of the truth, be patient for now.
...
What’s hue? what’s man? what’s human?
Anything along the land we consuming
Eatin’, deletin’, ruin
Trying to get paper
Gotta have land, gotta have acres
So I can sit back like Jack Nicholson
Watch n-ggas play the game like the lakers
In a world full of 52 fakers
...
Sometimes it’s like ‘pardon me, but I got a real big spirit’
I’m fearless…. I’m fearless
Don’t you try and grab hold of my soul
It’s like a military soldier since seven years old
I held real dead bodies in my arms
Felt their body turn cold, oh
Why we born in the first place
If this is how we gotta go?
Damn.


Damn indeed. Are they just playing the ignorant fools? Have we been indoctrinated?

"You’re scared of wrong doers, people that just ignorant, you’re scared of the truth, be patient for now."

Is that all those ignorant statements were getting at, proving a point about our expectations, that we'll dismiss what we don't want to hear when it doesn't line up with our idea of the world? I don't know man, all I know is that when rappers perpetuate misconceptions about the world, about science, about values, and about knowledge, it kills me a little bit inside.


EDIT:
Actually, in light of the below song, I guess it doesn't really kill me inside when I hear bad rap, it's just bad rap. There's bad music in every genre, whatever, we deal with it. But I guess what bothered me about Patience is that even though it seems like it was made to have some meaning, it started sabotaging itself (IMO) from the beginning. So I guess what kills me a little bit inside is when rappers who seem like they know better make music that doesn't.
----------
Extra, other songs that kill me inside.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iCd6UHR-3I&ob=av2e

"Oh yeah, lets be irresponsible with our money and our lives. It's ok cuz we're still looking fashionable and attractive right?"

"Ain't got no job, but I stay sharp
Can't pay my rent, cause all my money's spent
but thats OK, cause I'm still fly
got a quarter tank gas in my new E-class
But that's alright cause I'm gon' ride
got everything in my moma's name
but I'm hood rich da dada dada da"




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matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
April 24 2012 22:26 GMT
#2
Ey wassup plehboi, It's bird man plehboi brrrr yaddamean? Wha chu kno bout dat hood rich stuntin all dey plehboi. We still fly is classic track, big tymers ya heard? Brrrrrr
Without a paddle up shit creek.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
April 24 2012 22:30 GMT
#3
I had never actually heard the first song so thanks for that. But as much as I agree Still Fly is pretty poor message-wise, damn it's catchy.
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Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
April 24 2012 22:34 GMT
#4
I went to the kitchen and came back singing the chorus from Still Fly. Goddamnit why did I do this.
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
April 24 2012 22:44 GMT
#5
I think the part I hate most about rap music is the righteous indignation and thought that somehow their lyrics are deep and that if you don't find any meaning to them the rapper then thinks he's even smarter.
DeceiverSC2
Profile Joined April 2012
36 Posts
April 24 2012 22:45 GMT
#6
Rap in general is just shitty music, that talks about nothing relevant or makes a silly attempt to talk about something relevant and ends up looking more retarded than before.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:52:42
April 24 2012 22:51 GMT
#7
On April 25 2012 07:44 Roe wrote:
I think the part I hate most about rap music is the righteous indignation and thought that somehow their lyrics are deep and that if you don't find any meaning to them the rapper then thinks he's even smarter.

On April 25 2012 07:45 DeceiverSC2 wrote:
Rap in general is just shitty music, that talks about nothing relevant or makes a silly attempt to talk about something relevant and ends up looking more retarded than before.

try listening to real rap
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:57:42
April 24 2012 22:57 GMT
#8
On April 25 2012 07:51 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:44 Roe wrote:
I think the part I hate most about rap music is the righteous indignation and thought that somehow their lyrics are deep and that if you don't find any meaning to them the rapper then thinks he's even smarter.

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:45 DeceiverSC2 wrote:
Rap in general is just shitty music, that talks about nothing relevant or makes a silly attempt to talk about something relevant and ends up looking more retarded than before.

try listening to real rap
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n4iadLN6IU


To add to what I consider good rap (thanks for that Silidons):


Rap being used to tell a tragic story. What are you going to hate on now?
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Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
April 24 2012 23:08 GMT
#9
On April 25 2012 07:57 Vod.kaholic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:51 Silidons wrote:
On April 25 2012 07:44 Roe wrote:
I think the part I hate most about rap music is the righteous indignation and thought that somehow their lyrics are deep and that if you don't find any meaning to them the rapper then thinks he's even smarter.

On April 25 2012 07:45 DeceiverSC2 wrote:
Rap in general is just shitty music, that talks about nothing relevant or makes a silly attempt to talk about something relevant and ends up looking more retarded than before.

try listening to real rap
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n4iadLN6IU


To add to what I consider good rap (thanks for that Silidons):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJSztf0bxw

Rap being used to tell a tragic story. What are you going to hate on now?


I'd like to know some more about rap so could you recommened me something that actually has a meaning besides sex? Oh and I'd like the rapper to be in the rythm all the time, if possible.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:18:00
April 24 2012 23:17 GMT
#10


From my last favorite rap album. Dubbed the "the new Illmatic".
Without a paddle up shit creek.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:22:31
April 24 2012 23:20 GMT
#11
On April 25 2012 07:51 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:44 Roe wrote:
I think the part I hate most about rap music is the righteous indignation and thought that somehow their lyrics are deep and that if you don't find any meaning to them the rapper then thinks he's even smarter.

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:45 DeceiverSC2 wrote:
Rap in general is just shitty music, that talks about nothing relevant or makes a silly attempt to talk about something relevant and ends up looking more retarded than before.

try listening to real rap

Yea, those are obviously just ignorant comments. There's good and bad rap just like any other genre. And I don't think most people(at least ones I know) think all rap has some deep meaning. Snoop sings about smoking weed and most of his songs don't have any deeper meaning then that, and I don't think it really has to. But if you want that, artists like Nas and Outkast(and others, plus a lot of other less-mainstream artists as well) have a lot of tracks that are a lot more than 'get money, fuck bitches'.
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DomiNater
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 00:10:37
April 25 2012 00:10 GMT
#12
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 25 2012 07:57 Vod.kaholic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:51 Silidons wrote:
On April 25 2012 07:44 Roe wrote:
I think the part I hate most about rap music is the righteous indignation and thought that somehow their lyrics are deep and that if you don't find any meaning to them the rapper then thinks he's even smarter.

On April 25 2012 07:45 DeceiverSC2 wrote:
Rap in general is just shitty music, that talks about nothing relevant or makes a silly attempt to talk about something relevant and ends up looking more retarded than before.

try listening to real rap
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n4iadLN6IU


To add to what I consider good rap (thanks for that Silidons):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJSztf0bxw

Rap being used to tell a tragic story. What are you going to hate on now?


If you have 8+ minutes to spare you gotta check out Sadistik. Lyrics are in the video but I'm going to post the last verse here since it's my favorite. =)




Even though I've never called it perfect/
When I die, I want to know it all was worth it/
I want to know that I tried my best with/
Embracing every moment that I was blessed with/
Every life, every death, every time that I wept/
Every moment, every person, every line that I said/
Every night, every day, every time every place/
Every kiss, every wish, every side of the maze/
Every cut, every bruise, every love that I'd lose/
Every time that I broke and the times that I grew/
Every drop of rain that these clouds would spew/
To help form the man that I amounted to/
And I'm thankful, that I am who I am/
And I've been where I've been and I came out grateful/
When it's finally time to make an exit/
Just know, that I don't regret a single second/
After I captured the elephant in the room, swept her under the rug for the hell of it... I welcome you to the melting through, of a planet that was selfish in its development of a healthy view.
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 00:37:18
April 25 2012 00:36 GMT
#13
That's not even that bad. I thought you were gonna post some shit like I hear blaring next door in college dorm:

Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:07:00
April 25 2012 01:06 GMT
#14
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:08:25
April 25 2012 01:08 GMT
#15
On April 25 2012 09:36 Mothra wrote:
That's not even that bad. I thought you were gonna post some shit like I hear blaring next door in college dorm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_G342S-64I


the fuck is this?

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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
April 25 2012 01:31 GMT
#16
On April 25 2012 08:20 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:51 Silidons wrote:
On April 25 2012 07:44 Roe wrote:
I think the part I hate most about rap music is the righteous indignation and thought that somehow their lyrics are deep and that if you don't find any meaning to them the rapper then thinks he's even smarter.

On April 25 2012 07:45 DeceiverSC2 wrote:
Rap in general is just shitty music, that talks about nothing relevant or makes a silly attempt to talk about something relevant and ends up looking more retarded than before.

try listening to real rap

Yea, those are obviously just ignorant comments. There's good and bad rap just like any other genre. And I don't think most people(at least ones I know) think all rap has some deep meaning. Snoop sings about smoking weed and most of his songs don't have any deeper meaning then that, and I don't think it really has to. But if you want that, artists like Nas and Outkast(and others, plus a lot of other less-mainstream artists as well) have a lot of tracks that are a lot more than 'get money, fuck bitches'.

I never said that's how all rap is, I just hate the types of kids that act that way.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:51:41
April 25 2012 01:51 GMT
#17
Some artists think their voice counts because they are famous and start spouting really dumb shit. This can be in a song but also on TV or whatever (I'm currently thinking about Kanye West for those wondering). Don't try to find a deeper meaning to a song if there isn't any. There's no shame in liking a song that has lyrics that go beyond all reasonable limits of stupidity.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
April 25 2012 02:06 GMT
#18
A lot of times they're not going for that sort of lyrical sense-making that would be more typical of other music genres. They mean to use the voice as an instrument rather than a conveyer of meaning. I don't think it's the best strat but then again I'm not a rapper.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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johnnnchoi
Profile Joined March 2012
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 02:20:45
April 25 2012 02:15 GMT
#19
On April 25 2012 10:51 B.I.G. wrote:
Some artists think their voice counts because they are famous and start spouting really dumb shit. This can be in a song but also on TV or whatever (I'm currently thinking about Kanye West for those wondering). Don't try to find a deeper meaning to a song if there isn't any. There's no shame in liking a song that has lyrics that go beyond all reasonable limits of stupidity.


I kinda disagree with kanye.. alot of his raps have alot of meaning :l hes actually one of my most favorite rappers his lyrics are intriguing but the way he raps it makes it very... rhythmic?

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im not sure if i did the embedding right.. this is heard em say by kanye west one my msot favorite songs..

edit: i give up trying ot embed i have no idea how to do it -_-
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
April 25 2012 02:32 GMT
#20
just copy the normal address



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVF7oG0pQs
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