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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 16 2012 05:45 GMT
#181
On April 16 2012 14:36 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:31 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:20 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:58 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:32 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 12:35 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 12:30 supernovamaniac wrote:
On April 16 2012 09:10 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 02:25 ninazerg wrote:
[quote]

Please stick to League of Legends.

Edit: Wait, I did it wrong. This thread is about being grudgey.

GO BACK TO LEAGUE OF LESBIANS, TESLA. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW STARCRAFT WORKS. Don't bother to cast anything broodwar-related, ever, because I would rather eat a bowl of live cockroaches than hear you talk about how you think too much stuff is being powered by one pylon!!!!!!!


Wtf got up your fanny, Nina? You upset that another female is BETTER at casting then you? I DO cast sc:bw from time to time and at least my voice is liked. I don't bore people to sleep. Just because I play LoL for fun does NOT mean I am not qualified to cast a grudge match. Further more, last time I checked I was an ICCup admin for about 2 years - In some of the HIGHEST positions you could get in the server, all without having to date any of the guys. How many of those admins did you date again? You want to tell me I don't know how starcraft works - I'll show you how uneducated you are in regards to video game broadcasting in general. So how about you hold your tongue and remember your manners?


Please don't grudge, I want to see something back and forth instead of one-sided stomp.

I dodge dodge dodge dodge, because Nina is a much better SC player than me.


Okay, that's cool. No problem.

Edit: I dated exactly zero admins, and you were banned from the iccup team for abuse. Get your facts straight.


How cute, you have nothing better to do with your time then to make it look like I said something that I did not say. Further more - You played more while I took care of user problems more. You know - I did what my job was at that time, being an admin - Not playing around.

Well it was you or the other girl at that time that dated at least 3 admins - Its not my fault that you were so close to all the guys that its very believable that you may have been dating them or even having a fling.

Also - I did NOT get banned. YelloAnt spoke to me before he did anything. He wanted me to step down from my position for calling ICCup.Diamond a power abuser and such. I did come back and help the admin team many times under new names. Further more, YelloAnt came to me later and apologized to me because my warnings were all right and he didn't listen to them.

So as far as banning and such, it shows how little you know. Now are done attempting to attack me? Cause if thats all you've got, then you truly are a bore and such a disappointment. I might not be good at SC - Hell you could and probably would beat me, but I REFUSE to allow someone like you to talk to me the way you have. I have done nothing but been nice to you. I was nice to you when we had to work together and I even did my best to defend you - etc... Yet you do this to someone who had tried to be nice? Well aren't you just the sweetest person?


Your fucking timeline is messed up because I was never on the iccup team at the same time as you. So we never "worked together". Furthermore, I did a lot of work while I was an admin, because I was a writer for iCCup, a position which you said was "too much work".

Also, what's that called when the guy in charge of the server tells you to leave your position as an admin? That's called being kicked off the admin team.


By the way - If I was EVER banned - why did and was I allowed to come back under other names and assist the admin team? A ban means, BANNED FROM COMING BACK TO DO THE ADMIN JOB - PRETTY MUCH EVER.

Also since you are so great, let me call you out ~ Here is my first bw co-cast, in months. I did this one last month and this was right after doing SC2 commentary. So I was taking a walk down memory lane and enjoying all the good plays I remember watching. Now I'm not great, I'm not even that good - I'm decent for someone who hasn't casted sc:bw in MONTHS. However, compared to you, I must be a goddess at it. Further more, I have no problem putting the practice in before the commentary, to help improve my skills.

So lets show the community a commentary of mine and one of yours and see which one they like better.


*
< - Commentary I was speaking about earlier


See above post.

Also, this isn't your commentary. This is Zanderfever's commentary and yup, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here's some of the opening dialogue:

"This is from IEF 2009, I have no idea what that means."

"It means it was a tourny from 2009"

So insightful. I apologize, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.

Next, you have no idea what the supply cap is for Protoss at the beginning of the game.

Next, you call 8 rax a "standard opening" in TvP. wtf.

You don't know if the wall is good.

"I love dragoons! :3"

"He's getting the dragoon upgrade, which I believe is range."

After that, I couldn't watch any more.


If you think you are so great then lets do what I proposed:

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:29 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
I have a way we we can solve this:
I propose a casting Grudge match vs Nina and I, during that of a real Grudge match. What I mean by this is we have a Grudge match going on between two players and then Nina & I both cast. Which ever one of us casts better during that time, wins the Casting Grudge match.


omg, that is such a stupid idea. "Which ever one of us casts better"? What are the parameters for success? Viewer count? Okay, well, if that's the case, then I guess Rebecca Black is a better artist than Adele, because Rebecca Black got more views on her video.

Furthermore, I don't fucking care that you think you're a better caster than me. I was here (on thread) first, I participate in the BroodWar community, I actually play the game, I actually know both of the people. You're just using your stupid SC2/LoL fanbase to give you an inflated view-count and "win" some arbitrarily determined "casting GM", because you know you can't possibly win in a game of BroodWar.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 16 2012 05:49 GMT
#182
On April 16 2012 14:45 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:36 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:31 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:20 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:58 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:32 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 12:35 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 12:30 supernovamaniac wrote:
On April 16 2012 09:10 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
[quote]

Wtf got up your fanny, Nina? You upset that another female is BETTER at casting then you? I DO cast sc:bw from time to time and at least my voice is liked. I don't bore people to sleep. Just because I play LoL for fun does NOT mean I am not qualified to cast a grudge match. Further more, last time I checked I was an ICCup admin for about 2 years - In some of the HIGHEST positions you could get in the server, all without having to date any of the guys. How many of those admins did you date again? You want to tell me I don't know how starcraft works - I'll show you how uneducated you are in regards to video game broadcasting in general. So how about you hold your tongue and remember your manners?


Please don't grudge, I want to see something back and forth instead of one-sided stomp.

I dodge dodge dodge dodge, because Nina is a much better SC player than me.


Okay, that's cool. No problem.

Edit: I dated exactly zero admins, and you were banned from the iccup team for abuse. Get your facts straight.


How cute, you have nothing better to do with your time then to make it look like I said something that I did not say. Further more - You played more while I took care of user problems more. You know - I did what my job was at that time, being an admin - Not playing around.

Well it was you or the other girl at that time that dated at least 3 admins - Its not my fault that you were so close to all the guys that its very believable that you may have been dating them or even having a fling.

Also - I did NOT get banned. YelloAnt spoke to me before he did anything. He wanted me to step down from my position for calling ICCup.Diamond a power abuser and such. I did come back and help the admin team many times under new names. Further more, YelloAnt came to me later and apologized to me because my warnings were all right and he didn't listen to them.

So as far as banning and such, it shows how little you know. Now are done attempting to attack me? Cause if thats all you've got, then you truly are a bore and such a disappointment. I might not be good at SC - Hell you could and probably would beat me, but I REFUSE to allow someone like you to talk to me the way you have. I have done nothing but been nice to you. I was nice to you when we had to work together and I even did my best to defend you - etc... Yet you do this to someone who had tried to be nice? Well aren't you just the sweetest person?


Your fucking timeline is messed up because I was never on the iccup team at the same time as you. So we never "worked together". Furthermore, I did a lot of work while I was an admin, because I was a writer for iCCup, a position which you said was "too much work".

Also, what's that called when the guy in charge of the server tells you to leave your position as an admin? That's called being kicked off the admin team.


By the way - If I was EVER banned - why did and was I allowed to come back under other names and assist the admin team? A ban means, BANNED FROM COMING BACK TO DO THE ADMIN JOB - PRETTY MUCH EVER.

Also since you are so great, let me call you out ~ Here is my first bw co-cast, in months. I did this one last month and this was right after doing SC2 commentary. So I was taking a walk down memory lane and enjoying all the good plays I remember watching. Now I'm not great, I'm not even that good - I'm decent for someone who hasn't casted sc:bw in MONTHS. However, compared to you, I must be a goddess at it. Further more, I have no problem putting the practice in before the commentary, to help improve my skills.

So lets show the community a commentary of mine and one of yours and see which one they like better.


* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7ANRX-6ck < - Commentary I was speaking about earlier


See above post.

Also, this isn't your commentary. This is Zanderfever's commentary and yup, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here's some of the opening dialogue:

"This is from IEF 2009, I have no idea what that means."

"It means it was a tourny from 2009"

So insightful. I apologize, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.

Next, you have no idea what the supply cap is for Protoss at the beginning of the game.

Next, you call 8 rax a "standard opening" in TvP. wtf.

You don't know if the wall is good.

"I love dragoons! :3"

"He's getting the dragoon upgrade, which I believe is range."

After that, I couldn't watch any more.


If you think you are so great then lets do what I proposed:

On April 16 2012 14:29 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
I have a way we we can solve this:
I propose a casting Grudge match vs Nina and I, during that of a real Grudge match. What I mean by this is we have a Grudge match going on between two players and then Nina & I both cast. Which ever one of us casts better during that time, wins the Casting Grudge match.


omg, that is such a stupid idea. "Which ever one of us casts better"? What are the parameters for success? Viewer count? Okay, well, if that's the case, then I guess Rebecca Black is a better artist than Adele, because Rebecca Black got more views on her video.

Furthermore, I don't fucking care that you think you're a better caster than me. I was here (on thread) first, I participate in the BroodWar community, I actually play the game, I actually know both of the people. You're just using your stupid SC2/LoL fanbase to give you an inflated view-count and "win" some arbitrarily determined "casting GM", because you know you can't possibly win in a game of BroodWar.


Haha! You are almost as much of a dodger as telecom. To funny! Well then, thank you for not being able or willing to back up your words and commentate along side me to see which one of us truly is better - No SC2 fanbase - No LoL Fanbase will determine this; The SC:BW community would. They can say who they enjoyed listening to more. Its not my fault you are upset you have no fanbase - you could if you wanted to. However it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
April 16 2012 05:50 GMT
#183
Can we just delete the last page and get back to the good stuff.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
April 16 2012 05:51 GMT
#184
On April 16 2012 14:50 Megaliskuu wrote:
Can we just delete the last page and get back to the good stuff.

I would be totally fine with that concept.
What does it matter how I loose it?
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 16 2012 05:52 GMT
#185
On April 16 2012 14:49 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:45 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:36 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:31 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:20 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:58 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:32 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 12:35 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 12:30 supernovamaniac wrote:
[quote]

Please don't grudge, I want to see something back and forth instead of one-sided stomp.

I dodge dodge dodge dodge, because Nina is a much better SC player than me.


Okay, that's cool. No problem.

Edit: I dated exactly zero admins, and you were banned from the iccup team for abuse. Get your facts straight.


How cute, you have nothing better to do with your time then to make it look like I said something that I did not say. Further more - You played more while I took care of user problems more. You know - I did what my job was at that time, being an admin - Not playing around.

Well it was you or the other girl at that time that dated at least 3 admins - Its not my fault that you were so close to all the guys that its very believable that you may have been dating them or even having a fling.

Also - I did NOT get banned. YelloAnt spoke to me before he did anything. He wanted me to step down from my position for calling ICCup.Diamond a power abuser and such. I did come back and help the admin team many times under new names. Further more, YelloAnt came to me later and apologized to me because my warnings were all right and he didn't listen to them.

So as far as banning and such, it shows how little you know. Now are done attempting to attack me? Cause if thats all you've got, then you truly are a bore and such a disappointment. I might not be good at SC - Hell you could and probably would beat me, but I REFUSE to allow someone like you to talk to me the way you have. I have done nothing but been nice to you. I was nice to you when we had to work together and I even did my best to defend you - etc... Yet you do this to someone who had tried to be nice? Well aren't you just the sweetest person?


Your fucking timeline is messed up because I was never on the iccup team at the same time as you. So we never "worked together". Furthermore, I did a lot of work while I was an admin, because I was a writer for iCCup, a position which you said was "too much work".

Also, what's that called when the guy in charge of the server tells you to leave your position as an admin? That's called being kicked off the admin team.


By the way - If I was EVER banned - why did and was I allowed to come back under other names and assist the admin team? A ban means, BANNED FROM COMING BACK TO DO THE ADMIN JOB - PRETTY MUCH EVER.

Also since you are so great, let me call you out ~ Here is my first bw co-cast, in months. I did this one last month and this was right after doing SC2 commentary. So I was taking a walk down memory lane and enjoying all the good plays I remember watching. Now I'm not great, I'm not even that good - I'm decent for someone who hasn't casted sc:bw in MONTHS. However, compared to you, I must be a goddess at it. Further more, I have no problem putting the practice in before the commentary, to help improve my skills.

So lets show the community a commentary of mine and one of yours and see which one they like better.


* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7ANRX-6ck < - Commentary I was speaking about earlier


See above post.

Also, this isn't your commentary. This is Zanderfever's commentary and yup, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here's some of the opening dialogue:

"This is from IEF 2009, I have no idea what that means."

"It means it was a tourny from 2009"

So insightful. I apologize, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.

Next, you have no idea what the supply cap is for Protoss at the beginning of the game.

Next, you call 8 rax a "standard opening" in TvP. wtf.

You don't know if the wall is good.

"I love dragoons! :3"

"He's getting the dragoon upgrade, which I believe is range."

After that, I couldn't watch any more.


If you think you are so great then lets do what I proposed:

On April 16 2012 14:29 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
I have a way we we can solve this:
I propose a casting Grudge match vs Nina and I, during that of a real Grudge match. What I mean by this is we have a Grudge match going on between two players and then Nina & I both cast. Which ever one of us casts better during that time, wins the Casting Grudge match.


omg, that is such a stupid idea. "Which ever one of us casts better"? What are the parameters for success? Viewer count? Okay, well, if that's the case, then I guess Rebecca Black is a better artist than Adele, because Rebecca Black got more views on her video.

Furthermore, I don't fucking care that you think you're a better caster than me. I was here (on thread) first, I participate in the BroodWar community, I actually play the game, I actually know both of the people. You're just using your stupid SC2/LoL fanbase to give you an inflated view-count and "win" some arbitrarily determined "casting GM", because you know you can't possibly win in a game of BroodWar.


Haha! You are almost as much of a dodger as telecom. To funny! Well then, thank you for not being able or willing to back up your words and commentate along side me to see which one of us truly is better - No SC2 fanbase - No LoL Fanbase will determine this; The SC:BW community would. They can say who they enjoyed listening to more. Its not my fault you are upset you have no fanbase - you could if you wanted to. However it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.


XD

Oh, how pristine!

*I'M* the dodger because *YOU'RE* the one who won't play a video game match against me. That makes no sense. Tesla, I challenge you to a bo9, all match-ups. Oh wait, preparing for this would require a lot of hard work and dedication, which you clearly haven't put in.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
April 16 2012 05:54 GMT
#186
On April 16 2012 14:50 Megaliskuu wrote:
Can we just delete the last page and get back to the good stuff.


hahaha, we are inches away from beating the world record for most dysfunctional casting archon.

Right now the title is held by d'Apollo and Tekken6 commentator guy on wcg 2010.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1602 Posts
April 16 2012 05:55 GMT
#187
I challenge you eriador to a Bo ?? ( you insert number here, up to 27 ) RvR!~
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 16 2012 05:55 GMT
#188
On April 16 2012 14:52 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:49 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:45 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:36 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:31 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:20 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:58 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:32 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 12:35 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
[quote]
I dodge dodge dodge dodge, because Nina is a much better SC player than me.


Okay, that's cool. No problem.

Edit: I dated exactly zero admins, and you were banned from the iccup team for abuse. Get your facts straight.


How cute, you have nothing better to do with your time then to make it look like I said something that I did not say. Further more - You played more while I took care of user problems more. You know - I did what my job was at that time, being an admin - Not playing around.

Well it was you or the other girl at that time that dated at least 3 admins - Its not my fault that you were so close to all the guys that its very believable that you may have been dating them or even having a fling.

Also - I did NOT get banned. YelloAnt spoke to me before he did anything. He wanted me to step down from my position for calling ICCup.Diamond a power abuser and such. I did come back and help the admin team many times under new names. Further more, YelloAnt came to me later and apologized to me because my warnings were all right and he didn't listen to them.

So as far as banning and such, it shows how little you know. Now are done attempting to attack me? Cause if thats all you've got, then you truly are a bore and such a disappointment. I might not be good at SC - Hell you could and probably would beat me, but I REFUSE to allow someone like you to talk to me the way you have. I have done nothing but been nice to you. I was nice to you when we had to work together and I even did my best to defend you - etc... Yet you do this to someone who had tried to be nice? Well aren't you just the sweetest person?


Your fucking timeline is messed up because I was never on the iccup team at the same time as you. So we never "worked together". Furthermore, I did a lot of work while I was an admin, because I was a writer for iCCup, a position which you said was "too much work".

Also, what's that called when the guy in charge of the server tells you to leave your position as an admin? That's called being kicked off the admin team.


By the way - If I was EVER banned - why did and was I allowed to come back under other names and assist the admin team? A ban means, BANNED FROM COMING BACK TO DO THE ADMIN JOB - PRETTY MUCH EVER.

Also since you are so great, let me call you out ~ Here is my first bw co-cast, in months. I did this one last month and this was right after doing SC2 commentary. So I was taking a walk down memory lane and enjoying all the good plays I remember watching. Now I'm not great, I'm not even that good - I'm decent for someone who hasn't casted sc:bw in MONTHS. However, compared to you, I must be a goddess at it. Further more, I have no problem putting the practice in before the commentary, to help improve my skills.

So lets show the community a commentary of mine and one of yours and see which one they like better.


* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7ANRX-6ck < - Commentary I was speaking about earlier


See above post.

Also, this isn't your commentary. This is Zanderfever's commentary and yup, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here's some of the opening dialogue:

"This is from IEF 2009, I have no idea what that means."

"It means it was a tourny from 2009"

So insightful. I apologize, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.

Next, you have no idea what the supply cap is for Protoss at the beginning of the game.

Next, you call 8 rax a "standard opening" in TvP. wtf.

You don't know if the wall is good.

"I love dragoons! :3"

"He's getting the dragoon upgrade, which I believe is range."

After that, I couldn't watch any more.


If you think you are so great then lets do what I proposed:

On April 16 2012 14:29 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
I have a way we we can solve this:
I propose a casting Grudge match vs Nina and I, during that of a real Grudge match. What I mean by this is we have a Grudge match going on between two players and then Nina & I both cast. Which ever one of us casts better during that time, wins the Casting Grudge match.


omg, that is such a stupid idea. "Which ever one of us casts better"? What are the parameters for success? Viewer count? Okay, well, if that's the case, then I guess Rebecca Black is a better artist than Adele, because Rebecca Black got more views on her video.

Furthermore, I don't fucking care that you think you're a better caster than me. I was here (on thread) first, I participate in the BroodWar community, I actually play the game, I actually know both of the people. You're just using your stupid SC2/LoL fanbase to give you an inflated view-count and "win" some arbitrarily determined "casting GM", because you know you can't possibly win in a game of BroodWar.


Haha! You are almost as much of a dodger as telecom. To funny! Well then, thank you for not being able or willing to back up your words and commentate along side me to see which one of us truly is better - No SC2 fanbase - No LoL Fanbase will determine this; The SC:BW community would. They can say who they enjoyed listening to more. Its not my fault you are upset you have no fanbase - you could if you wanted to. However it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.


XD

Oh, how pristine!

*I'M* the dodger because *YOU'RE* the one who won't play a video game match against me. That makes no sense. Tesla, I challenge you to a bo9, all match-ups. Oh wait, preparing for this would require a lot of hard work and dedication, which you clearly haven't put in.


Oh so let me get this - You WONT do a grudge match in regards to a commentary style one, but you want to do one in the game itself? You are such a dodger. HAHA. You know you'll lose my challenge. You should learn to accept one challenge before trying to challenge a person into the one you think benefits you most.
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
April 16 2012 05:56 GMT
#189
Oh my god it is turning into an infinite loop
What does it matter how I loose it?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 16 2012 05:58 GMT
#190
--- Nuked ---
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 06:35:13
April 16 2012 05:59 GMT
#191
Edit: Nevermind
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
April 16 2012 06:00 GMT
#192
But who is the better caster?
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 06:01:24
April 16 2012 06:00 GMT
#193
amazing thread +1

also this is what telecom had to say when i beat him on ladder a few months ago

00:25:10 - EverZtelecoM to ALL: gj u no skill fucking newb
00:25:12 - EverZtelecoM to ALL: no name trash

telecom i think he is very manner, has changed his ways. let's all forgive him?
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 16 2012 06:01 GMT
#194
On April 16 2012 14:55 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:52 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:49 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:45 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:36 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:31 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:20 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:58 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:32 ninazerg wrote:
[quote]

Okay, that's cool. No problem.

Edit: I dated exactly zero admins, and you were banned from the iccup team for abuse. Get your facts straight.


How cute, you have nothing better to do with your time then to make it look like I said something that I did not say. Further more - You played more while I took care of user problems more. You know - I did what my job was at that time, being an admin - Not playing around.

Well it was you or the other girl at that time that dated at least 3 admins - Its not my fault that you were so close to all the guys that its very believable that you may have been dating them or even having a fling.

Also - I did NOT get banned. YelloAnt spoke to me before he did anything. He wanted me to step down from my position for calling ICCup.Diamond a power abuser and such. I did come back and help the admin team many times under new names. Further more, YelloAnt came to me later and apologized to me because my warnings were all right and he didn't listen to them.

So as far as banning and such, it shows how little you know. Now are done attempting to attack me? Cause if thats all you've got, then you truly are a bore and such a disappointment. I might not be good at SC - Hell you could and probably would beat me, but I REFUSE to allow someone like you to talk to me the way you have. I have done nothing but been nice to you. I was nice to you when we had to work together and I even did my best to defend you - etc... Yet you do this to someone who had tried to be nice? Well aren't you just the sweetest person?


Your fucking timeline is messed up because I was never on the iccup team at the same time as you. So we never "worked together". Furthermore, I did a lot of work while I was an admin, because I was a writer for iCCup, a position which you said was "too much work".

Also, what's that called when the guy in charge of the server tells you to leave your position as an admin? That's called being kicked off the admin team.


By the way - If I was EVER banned - why did and was I allowed to come back under other names and assist the admin team? A ban means, BANNED FROM COMING BACK TO DO THE ADMIN JOB - PRETTY MUCH EVER.

Also since you are so great, let me call you out ~ Here is my first bw co-cast, in months. I did this one last month and this was right after doing SC2 commentary. So I was taking a walk down memory lane and enjoying all the good plays I remember watching. Now I'm not great, I'm not even that good - I'm decent for someone who hasn't casted sc:bw in MONTHS. However, compared to you, I must be a goddess at it. Further more, I have no problem putting the practice in before the commentary, to help improve my skills.

So lets show the community a commentary of mine and one of yours and see which one they like better.


* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7ANRX-6ck < - Commentary I was speaking about earlier


See above post.

Also, this isn't your commentary. This is Zanderfever's commentary and yup, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here's some of the opening dialogue:

"This is from IEF 2009, I have no idea what that means."

"It means it was a tourny from 2009"

So insightful. I apologize, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.

Next, you have no idea what the supply cap is for Protoss at the beginning of the game.

Next, you call 8 rax a "standard opening" in TvP. wtf.

You don't know if the wall is good.

"I love dragoons! :3"

"He's getting the dragoon upgrade, which I believe is range."

After that, I couldn't watch any more.


If you think you are so great then lets do what I proposed:

On April 16 2012 14:29 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
I have a way we we can solve this:
I propose a casting Grudge match vs Nina and I, during that of a real Grudge match. What I mean by this is we have a Grudge match going on between two players and then Nina & I both cast. Which ever one of us casts better during that time, wins the Casting Grudge match.


omg, that is such a stupid idea. "Which ever one of us casts better"? What are the parameters for success? Viewer count? Okay, well, if that's the case, then I guess Rebecca Black is a better artist than Adele, because Rebecca Black got more views on her video.

Furthermore, I don't fucking care that you think you're a better caster than me. I was here (on thread) first, I participate in the BroodWar community, I actually play the game, I actually know both of the people. You're just using your stupid SC2/LoL fanbase to give you an inflated view-count and "win" some arbitrarily determined "casting GM", because you know you can't possibly win in a game of BroodWar.


Haha! You are almost as much of a dodger as telecom. To funny! Well then, thank you for not being able or willing to back up your words and commentate along side me to see which one of us truly is better - No SC2 fanbase - No LoL Fanbase will determine this; The SC:BW community would. They can say who they enjoyed listening to more. Its not my fault you are upset you have no fanbase - you could if you wanted to. However it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.


XD

Oh, how pristine!

*I'M* the dodger because *YOU'RE* the one who won't play a video game match against me. That makes no sense. Tesla, I challenge you to a bo9, all match-ups. Oh wait, preparing for this would require a lot of hard work and dedication, which you clearly haven't put in.


Oh so let me get this - You WONT do a grudge match in regards to a commentary style one, but you want to do one in the game itself? You are such a dodger. HAHA. You know you'll lose my challenge. You should learn to accept one challenge before trying to challenge a person into the one you think benefits you most.


So, you're officially dodging? When TL opens a Commentarycraft: TalkWar section, we'll play that game. Like I said earlier, just go back to LoL, okay?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Starch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States13 Posts
April 16 2012 06:03 GMT
#195
On April 16 2012 14:59 Shotcoder wrote:
Can we close this thread please? Someone?


+1.

Served its "purpose"??????
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 16 2012 06:04 GMT
#196
On April 16 2012 15:01 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:55 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:52 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:49 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:45 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:36 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:31 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:20 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:58 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
[quote]

How cute, you have nothing better to do with your time then to make it look like I said something that I did not say. Further more - You played more while I took care of user problems more. You know - I did what my job was at that time, being an admin - Not playing around.

Well it was you or the other girl at that time that dated at least 3 admins - Its not my fault that you were so close to all the guys that its very believable that you may have been dating them or even having a fling.

Also - I did NOT get banned. YelloAnt spoke to me before he did anything. He wanted me to step down from my position for calling ICCup.Diamond a power abuser and such. I did come back and help the admin team many times under new names. Further more, YelloAnt came to me later and apologized to me because my warnings were all right and he didn't listen to them.

So as far as banning and such, it shows how little you know. Now are done attempting to attack me? Cause if thats all you've got, then you truly are a bore and such a disappointment. I might not be good at SC - Hell you could and probably would beat me, but I REFUSE to allow someone like you to talk to me the way you have. I have done nothing but been nice to you. I was nice to you when we had to work together and I even did my best to defend you - etc... Yet you do this to someone who had tried to be nice? Well aren't you just the sweetest person?


Your fucking timeline is messed up because I was never on the iccup team at the same time as you. So we never "worked together". Furthermore, I did a lot of work while I was an admin, because I was a writer for iCCup, a position which you said was "too much work".

Also, what's that called when the guy in charge of the server tells you to leave your position as an admin? That's called being kicked off the admin team.


By the way - If I was EVER banned - why did and was I allowed to come back under other names and assist the admin team? A ban means, BANNED FROM COMING BACK TO DO THE ADMIN JOB - PRETTY MUCH EVER.

Also since you are so great, let me call you out ~ Here is my first bw co-cast, in months. I did this one last month and this was right after doing SC2 commentary. So I was taking a walk down memory lane and enjoying all the good plays I remember watching. Now I'm not great, I'm not even that good - I'm decent for someone who hasn't casted sc:bw in MONTHS. However, compared to you, I must be a goddess at it. Further more, I have no problem putting the practice in before the commentary, to help improve my skills.

So lets show the community a commentary of mine and one of yours and see which one they like better.


* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7ANRX-6ck < - Commentary I was speaking about earlier


See above post.

Also, this isn't your commentary. This is Zanderfever's commentary and yup, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here's some of the opening dialogue:

"This is from IEF 2009, I have no idea what that means."

"It means it was a tourny from 2009"

So insightful. I apologize, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.

Next, you have no idea what the supply cap is for Protoss at the beginning of the game.

Next, you call 8 rax a "standard opening" in TvP. wtf.

You don't know if the wall is good.

"I love dragoons! :3"

"He's getting the dragoon upgrade, which I believe is range."

After that, I couldn't watch any more.


If you think you are so great then lets do what I proposed:

On April 16 2012 14:29 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
I have a way we we can solve this:
I propose a casting Grudge match vs Nina and I, during that of a real Grudge match. What I mean by this is we have a Grudge match going on between two players and then Nina & I both cast. Which ever one of us casts better during that time, wins the Casting Grudge match.


omg, that is such a stupid idea. "Which ever one of us casts better"? What are the parameters for success? Viewer count? Okay, well, if that's the case, then I guess Rebecca Black is a better artist than Adele, because Rebecca Black got more views on her video.

Furthermore, I don't fucking care that you think you're a better caster than me. I was here (on thread) first, I participate in the BroodWar community, I actually play the game, I actually know both of the people. You're just using your stupid SC2/LoL fanbase to give you an inflated view-count and "win" some arbitrarily determined "casting GM", because you know you can't possibly win in a game of BroodWar.


Haha! You are almost as much of a dodger as telecom. To funny! Well then, thank you for not being able or willing to back up your words and commentate along side me to see which one of us truly is better - No SC2 fanbase - No LoL Fanbase will determine this; The SC:BW community would. They can say who they enjoyed listening to more. Its not my fault you are upset you have no fanbase - you could if you wanted to. However it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.


XD

Oh, how pristine!

*I'M* the dodger because *YOU'RE* the one who won't play a video game match against me. That makes no sense. Tesla, I challenge you to a bo9, all match-ups. Oh wait, preparing for this would require a lot of hard work and dedication, which you clearly haven't put in.


Oh so let me get this - You WONT do a grudge match in regards to a commentary style one, but you want to do one in the game itself? You are such a dodger. HAHA. You know you'll lose my challenge. You should learn to accept one challenge before trying to challenge a person into the one you think benefits you most.


So, you're officially dodging? When TL opens a Commentarycraft: TalkWar section, we'll play that game. Like I said earlier, just go back to LoL, okay?


I called you out first - Maybe if you stop dodging my challenge, I wont have a reason to not dodge yours. So go back to being a mannered person in the community, okay?
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 16 2012 06:05 GMT
#197
telecom wins in the end because you are all giving this attention whore what he wants.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 16 2012 06:05 GMT
#198
On April 16 2012 15:04 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 15:01 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:55 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:52 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:49 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:45 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:36 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:31 ninazerg wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:20 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 16 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:
[quote]

Your fucking timeline is messed up because I was never on the iccup team at the same time as you. So we never "worked together". Furthermore, I did a lot of work while I was an admin, because I was a writer for iCCup, a position which you said was "too much work".

Also, what's that called when the guy in charge of the server tells you to leave your position as an admin? That's called being kicked off the admin team.


By the way - If I was EVER banned - why did and was I allowed to come back under other names and assist the admin team? A ban means, BANNED FROM COMING BACK TO DO THE ADMIN JOB - PRETTY MUCH EVER.

Also since you are so great, let me call you out ~ Here is my first bw co-cast, in months. I did this one last month and this was right after doing SC2 commentary. So I was taking a walk down memory lane and enjoying all the good plays I remember watching. Now I'm not great, I'm not even that good - I'm decent for someone who hasn't casted sc:bw in MONTHS. However, compared to you, I must be a goddess at it. Further more, I have no problem putting the practice in before the commentary, to help improve my skills.

So lets show the community a commentary of mine and one of yours and see which one they like better.


* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7ANRX-6ck < - Commentary I was speaking about earlier


See above post.

Also, this isn't your commentary. This is Zanderfever's commentary and yup, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here's some of the opening dialogue:

"This is from IEF 2009, I have no idea what that means."

"It means it was a tourny from 2009"

So insightful. I apologize, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.

Next, you have no idea what the supply cap is for Protoss at the beginning of the game.

Next, you call 8 rax a "standard opening" in TvP. wtf.

You don't know if the wall is good.

"I love dragoons! :3"

"He's getting the dragoon upgrade, which I believe is range."

After that, I couldn't watch any more.


If you think you are so great then lets do what I proposed:

On April 16 2012 14:29 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
I have a way we we can solve this:
I propose a casting Grudge match vs Nina and I, during that of a real Grudge match. What I mean by this is we have a Grudge match going on between two players and then Nina & I both cast. Which ever one of us casts better during that time, wins the Casting Grudge match.


omg, that is such a stupid idea. "Which ever one of us casts better"? What are the parameters for success? Viewer count? Okay, well, if that's the case, then I guess Rebecca Black is a better artist than Adele, because Rebecca Black got more views on her video.

Furthermore, I don't fucking care that you think you're a better caster than me. I was here (on thread) first, I participate in the BroodWar community, I actually play the game, I actually know both of the people. You're just using your stupid SC2/LoL fanbase to give you an inflated view-count and "win" some arbitrarily determined "casting GM", because you know you can't possibly win in a game of BroodWar.


Haha! You are almost as much of a dodger as telecom. To funny! Well then, thank you for not being able or willing to back up your words and commentate along side me to see which one of us truly is better - No SC2 fanbase - No LoL Fanbase will determine this; The SC:BW community would. They can say who they enjoyed listening to more. Its not my fault you are upset you have no fanbase - you could if you wanted to. However it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.


XD

Oh, how pristine!

*I'M* the dodger because *YOU'RE* the one who won't play a video game match against me. That makes no sense. Tesla, I challenge you to a bo9, all match-ups. Oh wait, preparing for this would require a lot of hard work and dedication, which you clearly haven't put in.


Oh so let me get this - You WONT do a grudge match in regards to a commentary style one, but you want to do one in the game itself? You are such a dodger. HAHA. You know you'll lose my challenge. You should learn to accept one challenge before trying to challenge a person into the one you think benefits you most.


So, you're officially dodging? When TL opens a Commentarycraft: TalkWar section, we'll play that game. Like I said earlier, just go back to LoL, okay?


I called you out first - Maybe if you stop dodging my challenge, I wont have a reason to not dodge yours. So go back to being a mannered person in the community, okay?


So to be clear, we're doing both? Okay. You're on.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 16 2012 06:08 GMT
#199
It has become the nina versus Tesla show.

How about everyone air out their dirty laundry.

Go.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 06:12:37
April 16 2012 06:09 GMT
#200
YESSSSSSSSSSSS

This may or may not possibly be the best grudge match in TL history.


On April 16 2012 15:03 Starch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:59 Shotcoder wrote:
Can we close this thread please? Someone?


+1.

Served its "purpose"??????


Please don't jeopardize potentially the most awesome thing that could happen on this entire planet.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
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