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[Q] Calling Elections in the US

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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 04 2012 00:35 GMT
#1
How are winners of elections called with essentially no votes yet counted? Are these just based on exit polls? Sometimes, winners are even declared well before polls are closed. Wtf is up with this? Is it just under the assumption that the number of people who will end up not voting due the cause being lost or won is insignificant?

Asking because today the Republican primary in Maryland was called for Mitt Romney the minute polls closed... before counting had even begun. I'm assuming it must be exit polling.

huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
April 04 2012 00:40 GMT
#2
I don't know about today, but I remember one of the southern primaries earlier was called based on the exit polls, so I think you have the right idea. I read it on 538, maybe you can find it there.
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Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
April 04 2012 00:42 GMT
#3
Interpreting animal entrails.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
April 04 2012 00:45 GMT
#4
It's based on exit polls, which is why we end up with things like Kerry being declared winner of the 2004 presidential election for a few hours.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
April 04 2012 00:50 GMT
#5
They are just putting all their faith in exit polls as far as I know.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 04 2012 01:12 GMT
#6
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 04 2012 01:49 GMT
#7
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 04 2012 01:54 GMT
#8
On April 04 2012 10:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
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On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?

Media? Ethical? Personally I would say it is highly unethical to do it before polls close, but anything for a good story T.T
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
April 04 2012 02:23 GMT
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 04 2012 03:22 GMT
#10
On April 04 2012 10:54 Froadac wrote:
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On April 04 2012 10:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?

Media? Ethical? Personally I would say it is highly unethical to do it before polls close, but anything for a good story T.T


how is it unethical? exit polls have been used to gauge election fraud. it's not all bad.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 04 2012 03:45 GMT
#11
On April 04 2012 12:22 Golgotha wrote:
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On April 04 2012 10:54 Froadac wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?

Media? Ethical? Personally I would say it is highly unethical to do it before polls close, but anything for a good story T.T


how is it unethical? exit polls have been used to gauge election fraud. it's not all bad.

Just the fact they are announcing when people are still voting.
Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 04:41:29
April 04 2012 04:39 GMT
#12
On April 04 2012 12:22 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 10:54 Froadac wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?

Media? Ethical? Personally I would say it is highly unethical to do it before polls close, but anything for a good story T.T


how is it unethical? exit polls have been used to gauge election fraud. it's not all bad.


It's more of an issue of the news shows intentionally leading people on. It's a win:win. If they predict the winner correctly based on polls, they get views because they're story hit 'first.' If they're wrong, a politically advantageous scapegoat will be found (read: hanging chads) and you get another flood of viewers trying to get the real results later.

On the contrary, if they don't report based on exit polls, they look lazy when all the other sites/shows have the info and they gain nothing for having the 'real' results later in the event of initial inaccuracy.

I wouldn't go so far as to say unethical, but their commitment to 'accurate reporting' or whatever slogan their brand chooses to employ is compromised at best, a farce at worst. High ratings = Money != Good News.
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. -Frank Herbert
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 04 2012 04:45 GMT
#13
I don't think any media outlets call elections before state polls have closed, anymore.

My memory's a bit hazy, but I think they stopped after 2000. I'm positive they haven't this year, though. They all do a stupid countdown to poll closing, where they proceed to say that it's too close to call.
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9162 Posts
April 04 2012 04:52 GMT
#14
Pretty sure they wait until it's a mathematical certainty.

Race callers also need procedures to track provisional votes, an election night wrinkle that grew out of the post-2000 election reforms. AP held back from calling Ohio—and with it the presidency—in 2004 because of the uncertainty over how many provisional ballots had been cast and how they might break. This year, there will be provisional voting history from 2004, 2006 and 2008 to guide race callers in close elections.


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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 04 2012 04:55 GMT
#15
On April 04 2012 13:45 Jibba wrote:
I don't think any media outlets call elections before state polls have closed, anymore.

My memory's a bit hazy, but I think they stopped after 2000. I'm positive they haven't this year, though. They all do a stupid countdown to poll closing, where they proceed to say that it's too close to call.

I'm pretty darn sure CNN did that today, although I know in most cases they do not.
Jacobine
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States174 Posts
April 04 2012 06:16 GMT
#16
They compare polls leading up to election day vs exit polling. If the numbers are lining up (based on quite a bit of difference of means statistical analysis), then they are comfortable declaring a winner. If there are even the hint of some statistically different results, they generally hold off. Also, they tend to not call closer races because of the possibility of there being significant differences between exit polls, previous polls, and the actual results. Hope that made sense.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
April 04 2012 06:34 GMT
#17
Media calling election results are like people calling gg before the game has ended!

i.e. Human nature to do so.
Grohg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States243 Posts
April 04 2012 08:26 GMT
#18
Would be nice if they didn't cover any of it until after the fact. The media wouldn't ever do that without some legislation restraining them but showing anything of election results only helps to boost one candidate over another. If someone is winning big early on but only a few states were reporting significant percentages, I've heard people I know call it a lost cause to vote at that point if their politician of choice isn't in the lead. It's shallow and naive on every level but sadly happens a lot. I don't know about the ethics of it but I certainly think media outlets need to careful evaluate the semantics of their reporting.

In StarCraft terms, Azzur hit the nail on the head. It's like a caster calling gg before the game ends and constantly saying how bad the situation is for one player. If that player somehow pulls off a win despite the caster's notion that the game was over beforehand, you just look dumb for using the strong or definitive language. Nothing kills human psychology like the idea of futility. It's the reason why people don't vote in the first place...they feel like it doesn't matter if one person votes. However, if the majority of people saw voting as incredibly important and as if they were making a difference, you would get a better election. It makes you wonder how much the media plays a role in who gets elected, you can bet your life's savings on the fact that they know what they're suggesting by relaying information in a particular order or tone.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 08:45:02
April 04 2012 08:44 GMT
#19
It's a conspiracy! Conspiracy I tell you!!!

/me puts on tinfoil cap.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
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