• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:03
CET 03:03
KST 11:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !9Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Micro Lags When Playing SC2? ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1061 users

[Q] Calling Elections in the US

Blogs > EtherealDeath
Post a Reply
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 04 2012 00:35 GMT
#1
How are winners of elections called with essentially no votes yet counted? Are these just based on exit polls? Sometimes, winners are even declared well before polls are closed. Wtf is up with this? Is it just under the assumption that the number of people who will end up not voting due the cause being lost or won is insignificant?

Asking because today the Republican primary in Maryland was called for Mitt Romney the minute polls closed... before counting had even begun. I'm assuming it must be exit polling.

huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
April 04 2012 00:40 GMT
#2
I don't know about today, but I remember one of the southern primaries earlier was called based on the exit polls, so I think you have the right idea. I read it on 538, maybe you can find it there.
skating
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
April 04 2012 00:42 GMT
#3
Interpreting animal entrails.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
April 04 2012 00:45 GMT
#4
It's based on exit polls, which is why we end up with things like Kerry being declared winner of the 2004 presidential election for a few hours.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
April 04 2012 00:50 GMT
#5
They are just putting all their faith in exit polls as far as I know.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 04 2012 01:12 GMT
#6
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 04 2012 01:49 GMT
#7
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 04 2012 01:54 GMT
#8
On April 04 2012 10:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?

Media? Ethical? Personally I would say it is highly unethical to do it before polls close, but anything for a good story T.T
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
April 04 2012 02:23 GMT
#9
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
MERICA!
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 04 2012 03:22 GMT
#10
On April 04 2012 10:54 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 10:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?

Media? Ethical? Personally I would say it is highly unethical to do it before polls close, but anything for a good story T.T


how is it unethical? exit polls have been used to gauge election fraud. it's not all bad.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 04 2012 03:45 GMT
#11
On April 04 2012 12:22 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 10:54 Froadac wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?

Media? Ethical? Personally I would say it is highly unethical to do it before polls close, but anything for a good story T.T


how is it unethical? exit polls have been used to gauge election fraud. it's not all bad.

Just the fact they are announcing when people are still voting.
Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 04:41:29
April 04 2012 04:39 GMT
#12
On April 04 2012 12:22 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 10:54 Froadac wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 04 2012 10:12 Froadac wrote:
It's exit polls. We're learning about it in my gov class. Generally the media cycles between absolute trust and absolute distrust of exit polls. Right now we are in the trust phase, after the distrust phase following 2004 elections.


Yea I figured. Isn't it a bit unethical to call the election before polls close though?

Media? Ethical? Personally I would say it is highly unethical to do it before polls close, but anything for a good story T.T


how is it unethical? exit polls have been used to gauge election fraud. it's not all bad.


It's more of an issue of the news shows intentionally leading people on. It's a win:win. If they predict the winner correctly based on polls, they get views because they're story hit 'first.' If they're wrong, a politically advantageous scapegoat will be found (read: hanging chads) and you get another flood of viewers trying to get the real results later.

On the contrary, if they don't report based on exit polls, they look lazy when all the other sites/shows have the info and they gain nothing for having the 'real' results later in the event of initial inaccuracy.

I wouldn't go so far as to say unethical, but their commitment to 'accurate reporting' or whatever slogan their brand chooses to employ is compromised at best, a farce at worst. High ratings = Money != Good News.
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. -Frank Herbert
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 04 2012 04:45 GMT
#13
I don't think any media outlets call elections before state polls have closed, anymore.

My memory's a bit hazy, but I think they stopped after 2000. I'm positive they haven't this year, though. They all do a stupid countdown to poll closing, where they proceed to say that it's too close to call.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9164 Posts
April 04 2012 04:52 GMT
#14
Pretty sure they wait until it's a mathematical certainty.

Race callers also need procedures to track provisional votes, an election night wrinkle that grew out of the post-2000 election reforms. AP held back from calling Ohio—and with it the presidency—in 2004 because of the uncertainty over how many provisional ballots had been cast and how they might break. This year, there will be provisional voting history from 2004, 2006 and 2008 to guide race callers in close elections.


http://ap.org/media-center/elections/calling-election
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 04 2012 04:55 GMT
#15
On April 04 2012 13:45 Jibba wrote:
I don't think any media outlets call elections before state polls have closed, anymore.

My memory's a bit hazy, but I think they stopped after 2000. I'm positive they haven't this year, though. They all do a stupid countdown to poll closing, where they proceed to say that it's too close to call.

I'm pretty darn sure CNN did that today, although I know in most cases they do not.
Jacobine
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States174 Posts
April 04 2012 06:16 GMT
#16
They compare polls leading up to election day vs exit polling. If the numbers are lining up (based on quite a bit of difference of means statistical analysis), then they are comfortable declaring a winner. If there are even the hint of some statistically different results, they generally hold off. Also, they tend to not call closer races because of the possibility of there being significant differences between exit polls, previous polls, and the actual results. Hope that made sense.
"Resist that inner boner. - Day[9]"
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
April 04 2012 06:34 GMT
#17
Media calling election results are like people calling gg before the game has ended!

i.e. Human nature to do so.
Grohg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States243 Posts
April 04 2012 08:26 GMT
#18
Would be nice if they didn't cover any of it until after the fact. The media wouldn't ever do that without some legislation restraining them but showing anything of election results only helps to boost one candidate over another. If someone is winning big early on but only a few states were reporting significant percentages, I've heard people I know call it a lost cause to vote at that point if their politician of choice isn't in the lead. It's shallow and naive on every level but sadly happens a lot. I don't know about the ethics of it but I certainly think media outlets need to careful evaluate the semantics of their reporting.

In StarCraft terms, Azzur hit the nail on the head. It's like a caster calling gg before the game ends and constantly saying how bad the situation is for one player. If that player somehow pulls off a win despite the caster's notion that the game was over beforehand, you just look dumb for using the strong or definitive language. Nothing kills human psychology like the idea of futility. It's the reason why people don't vote in the first place...they feel like it doesn't matter if one person votes. However, if the majority of people saw voting as incredibly important and as if they were making a difference, you would get a better election. It makes you wonder how much the media plays a role in who gets elected, you can bet your life's savings on the fact that they know what they're suggesting by relaying information in a particular order or tone.
You can't spell slaughter without laughter.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 08:45:02
April 04 2012 08:44 GMT
#19
It's a conspiracy! Conspiracy I tell you!!!

/me puts on tinfoil cap.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Ladder Legends
19:00
WWG Amateur Showdown
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft508
ProTech200
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12550
Hyuk 683
Shuttle 121
NaDa 62
Mong 17
Hm[arnc] 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever455
febbydoto49
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
summit1g8015
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox237
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor217
Other Games
JimRising 382
Mew2King92
Trikslyr58
ViBE49
kaitlyn20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1264
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota23048
League of Legends
• Doublelift3674
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
7h 57m
Ladder Legends
14h 57m
BSL 21
17h 57m
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Wardi Open
1d 9h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 14h
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.