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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 19:00:28
March 14 2012 18:55 GMT
#1
MightyAtom MMA Manager Stand-In
This past week, I had the pleasure of escorting one of my company staff to a MMA tournament in South Korea, where he participated as an amateur in order to qualify as a potential professional fighter in the Korea league here called, 'Road FC'.

My staff is actually from Hong Kong and he was here for an event in Seoul, and we ended taking a nearly 4 hour train ride to Soonchun which is practically at the most south part of Seoul. Of course my staff speaks no Korean and so normally I'd leave my own staff to their own devices, but I figured, what the hell, I'll feel bad if I don't translate and accompany him. So I ended up being his psudo manager for the day.

So we took the train 'ktx' down the night before and met the organizer and my staff had to cut about 2 more kg, so he had an early night and I proceeded to down 15 large beers bottles with the organizer over a 4 hour drinking 'get to know one another' session. And during that time I got to learn a lot about the current state of MMA in Korea. I won't get much into it, but it's not great. Oh and my staff did win, so yay, and we ate some really great Hanwoo Korean beef there for really cheap, like 1/3 the price of Seoul, so my belly was happy as well.

Can't Throw a Punch or Kick to Save My life
So I haven't been back in Korea for the last 6 months and previous to leaving, I actually joined an MMA gym called, 'Team Max'. And so having gone to this MMA tryouts, I ended up today, going back to the gym and signing up for 3 months and took two sessions of classes from 6:30 - 10:00 and I'm just exhausted right now, but happy.

In the class the average is probably 23 or so, so at 37, I'm older than instructors, which is nice cause every calls me hyung (older brother), but really I'm an ajushi (middle aged guy, aka, mister). And I can say, I really like watching MMA, but I find it really isn't the kind of sport that I think I can really enjoy participating in, manly because, I have never thrown a real punch or kick in my entire life.

Don't get me wrong, I've have tried to throw punches, like maybe 5 in my life and 2 kicks, which were completely ineffective and I've gotten into more fights than a geek like me should have gotten into, but I'm one of those guys who just can't throw a proper punch or kick by putting their weight behind it.


"You, No Talent"
I blame my parents who never let me take Taekwondo as a kid. Now I know that something like Taekwondo is not considered a serious kick ass martial art now, and I'm not going to defend it, but the fact is growing up as the only Korean kid in my anglo-saxon school, I think it would have come in handy at least to show off.

I remember, when I was 4 I was with my Dad watching TV. Suddenly he stands up and says, 'I'm going to teach you TaeKwondo now'. So I jump up and get ready, this is what I've been waiting for since I could walk, I'm ready to embrace my birth right.

So my dad says, 'make a fist like this', and I make a fist, to the best of my ability, but my dad corrects me and says, 'No! thumb like this' and grabs my fist and pushes my thumb is positioned to the middle of the fist rather than sticking out on the side of my hand.

Then my dad says, ' ok stand like this, ready? Do this?' and he goes into that horse stance, you know the wide legged one, with a slight squat and does and left and right punch.

So just looking at my dad, I'm like, 'ok, and I proceed to punch with all my little heart' one, two. and I look up to my dad and he says, 'you, no talent for Taekwondo, no point to learn. Just use head'. And he quickly does a slight head butt movement and goes backs and sits down and starts watching TV again.

Meanwhile I'm just standing there crushed; yes, I was 4, yes this is a true story and yes, it was traumatic. And I had no idea wft my dad was talking about or what just happened. So later on in primary school, I'm constantly asking my Mom, can learn Taekwondo, and she is like, 'no, no, no, you father says no.'


Learning to Fight During Recess
I remember junior kindergarten being really cool, I had a nice anglo teacher named, Miss. Dicky (again, I shit you not), and she was a great teacher, maybe in her 40's, an old maid, so she wasn't one of those sunshine every day types, actually she was a bit bitter in life but she was really fair. I never fought in junior kindergarten, and also in Grade 1, everything was cool. But from Grade 2 onwards, I got into a fight nearly every single day for an entire year. It got so bad that I would be sent home after lunch. Can you imagine fighting every single day at school. But I never got suspended. Why? Cause the fight would always be me verse x number of anglo saxon boys, different group, different grade. I'd constantly be called out as chink, or asked if I knew KungFu and to prove it.

Of course I'd say, I knew Karate or something like that, I mean, who the fuck would believe that the only Korean kid didn't know some form of martial arts. And this was like the early 80's when you had such great hits as American Ninja and Bruce Lee was the only legend around. So on these battlegrounds of recess did I fight every day and just naturally got into a way of fighting that worked for me. And that was basically grabbing and throwing other kids on to the pavement.

Kids like to fight on grass, they don't like to fight on the sand cause everyone gets sand in their eyes, but no one likes to fight on the pavement cause they are scared that they are going to scratch themselves. I understood this early on and much like the 'Korean Zombie, from UFC', I could take a hit. In fact, the only way I get close enough to grab a kid and toss him, was to normally get punched in the head 3 or 4 times. I also learned to be fearless and while I'd honestly say, I lost 1 fight on the grass, I've won about 50 or so on the pavement.

My last fight in primary school was in the middle of grade 3 where I was accosted by a grade 6 in the school and proceeded to launch myself at him and we both fell off the stairs and I landed on him. He probably had some broken ribs, but after that, my reputation was settled and no one proceeded to start anything with me. It's pretty legendary when a grade 3 takes out a grade 6, nearly unheard of.

During this time, I proceed to perfect my own fighting style, call 'chair jitsu' where by kids would throw sand in my eyes during recess, then run into the class room and think they were safe, and I'd go into their class, pick up a chair and throw it at them. Of course I purposely missed, cause I didn't want to kill them (even at a young age, I had respect for life), but I did want them to clearly know, they were not safe from my vengeance. About the same time I perfected the art of 'chair jitsu' was about the time that I was sent home every day after lunch instead of staying with the class. (later on in life this skill would evolved to 'bar stool jitsu')

Since I was on the rugby team in high school, and now there were lots of other Koreans, I really never had any fights, even on the pitch, but when I finally got to university in 93, I finally decided that I was going to learn martial arts!


Finally Learning the Art in Martial Arts
So I took Judo, Aikido, and Korean sword fighting and I enjoyed them all. And they fit me, up to this point, I had never really thrown a punch and while I could stand, focus and break through 10 of those pine wood boards, ask me knock someone out; unlikely. Ask me to toss someone, restrain or wack em with a bit wooden sword on the side of the head, no problem. But more than anything, I read about the philosophies as well as tried to understand the principle art of what I was doing. Meaning what was the actual perfect execution of the move in its most simplest but effective form; as well as the reasoning behind the move but on a number of levels from the actual function, but to also how it fit with the art.

I don't think I've changed my quote at the bottom of my TL ID since 2004 and it still means so much to me.

Fast forward many years later and a few bar brawls and getting jumped by a couple of GI Joes (none of the fights started by me); my skill in grabbing and throwing people had increased dramatically that I could evade most punches and just get in there and toss people.I honestly felt as though I may not be a black belt, but I have mastered the art.


BJJ and Striking
Fast forward to now, I have to say; I really really like this brazilian jujitsu stuff, its really fun and I love how weight plays such a huge role in it, cause I don't look like 110kg, but I fucking am. lol. And I love how you can ask anyone to 'roll' with you, spar. And I love getting tapped out and just enjoying the experience of it. For me it is like judo, but on the ground, if that makes any sense.

Like in Judo, you have to figure out how to toss the person; so a lot of times, two fairly equally matched people look like they are are just grabbing each others gi's and that is it, but if they were fighting anyone else, they would have toss that guy on his head 3 times by now. So you are looking for that slip up, that opportunity, and the same thing with jujitsu. But what is great about jujitsu is that you actually force people to tap out, lol. I mean in Judo, even when you spar, you're just trying to basically crack his defenses and when that happens, you can throw them as softly as you want- so the cracking of the defense is where the aggression comes in, but in jujitsu, the guy is trying his damnest to choke you to tap out, but if you can resist and break free, then you go for it! Cool beans! The sparing in jujitsu is just uber fun, unless the guy is a dick and takes it too far, but so far I haven't met any dicks yet.

So I started to learn jujitsu at the MMA gym first that I joined and it's just fun, like an extension of judo, but rolling on the floor, but when it comes to learning how to strike, this shit is impossible for me. And I've just realized why. When I fight and when I lay hands on a person, at that point, I don't need to see anything, I can close my eyes and I can visualize 360, and it is like a dance, where I understand their body, I know in relation to what weight or strength they are putting on me; I know their height, the length of their arms, the strength in their legs and even the length of their fingers as they grab me back.

Is it a Ballet? I Don't Know
But in striking, it's a dance, but I don't understand how the dance works, I am doing the lambada here, and strikers are doing some ballet I guess. And my muscles for my entire life have been doing explosive power movements for pushing and pulling and not for snapping or acceleration and repeated actions. And as much as I want to learn, I'm not even frustrated, I just don't enjoy this, I can see the beauty in when Anderson Silva lands those sniper accurate punches and I'm in awe, but I think its just totally beyond me.

I've learned to this point: jab,straight and overhand straight. It took me about 2 months to be able to jab properly and I don't think I do the other 2 punches right. I feel like a tree stump with some branches sticking out. And the thing is, I'm not learning this because of self defense. I've been in a lot of real fights in my day and I've never duked it out someone and never needed to. I want to learn this MMA as a art, to understand the one thing that has been so elusive to me since I was a kid. And while I was angry at my father for many years after that day, by the time I entered into high school, I knew what he meant.

Seriously, Yes, I'm looking for the Art in MMA
My dad, like many men his age is a black belt, but there are many levels of being a black belt and for my father having spent nearly five years in the army, he knew that learning Taekwondo for self defense wasn't the most practical thing. For him learning Taekwondo was only useful if I had talent to be a great black belt, someone who really could appreciate the art. I've seen kids, at 4 years old, who, when they see, they can mimic to the detail, they see and understand this ballet naturally, and I simply didn't and my father could see that.

He has never reprimanded me for fighting, he only asks, if how did I fight. He assumes I've always won and with the exception of one humiliating beat down on the grass in grade 5 at a new school, I have at least drawn to or won most fights. But he doesn't ask about any moves, but he gets right to it, the damage inflicted. Now this may seem extremely brutal to some of you, my Father married late, was born in 1940, went through the Korean war as a child, served during the Vietnam war (South Korean sent troops to support the US during that time) and generally is as macho of a Korean man as you get. But my father, he knows how to fight and as soon as I figured out what is a head butt actually, it has ended a lot of fights very very quickly.

But even though, I know I am hopeless in striking, I'm really drawn to the art of MMA and I think that is really hasn't been flushed out yet. I will never classify myself as a MMA person. I'm not. I am a judoka, but I think because much of MMA's legitimacy comes from showing it's practical dominance over single forms of martial arts, the art part of MMA still has yet to emerge.

Right now I feel, MMA is about the practicality of each move, the counter, the use, the function. And it is touted as being the most effective form of fighting. Thing is, every competition has rules and real fighting is different. And so for me understanding the distinction, again, I'm not taking MMA to beat on some guys in competition or for self defense.

Fighting Isn't the Art, it is the Dance
If I get into a fight tomorrow, chances are, they guy will have clothes on and I can toss him one time on to the pavement and he'll land improperly and the fight is over. Or even if it two guys, I'll toss one and then toss the other guy (easier said than done, but doable). If I was a golden gloves boxer, I'm sure I'd be able to knock out both of them with a couple of punches, but my point is, I'm not saying this to slag MMA that it isn't good for self defense or that it doesn't own a lot of single style practitioners, but that, I want to know for myself, if there really is an art in MMA. And that is why I'm suffering through this striking.

I think the Art in MMA has already begun to display itself, when different punches and kicks are integrated into the arsenal of a MMA practitioner, like the very recent integration of 'ineffective taekwondo style kicks' that if used in the right situation are game changers. And obviously making a seamless move from wrestling/judo take downs into jujitsu submissions just makes sense. But what about really integrating the striking with the grappling? Is Art in the 'ground and pound' or is there something more out there? Maybe some guys who really do a lot of MMA think they can answer that, or maybe they don't think it is relevant, but I my point of view is that I don't like MMA because it is the most effective way out there, I like it because of this potential integration of really 2 very different dances.

But if I'm being honest here - I'd love to just really have the ability throw a great punch, the beauty of that. And I'd like to one day understand how that dance really happens and maybe see how that fits in with the dance I do. Because when I toss people, I am not just doing a technique, I really feel as though I'm 'one with the toss.'


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Zortch
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada635 Posts
March 14 2012 19:11 GMT
#2
Makes me want to learn Judo, awesome read
Respect is everything. ~ARchon
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 14 2012 19:29 GMT
#3
Why don't you have the company staff you brought to compete , teach you something?
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rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
March 14 2012 20:17 GMT
#4
Wow, great read! The part about your dad when you were 4 was especially good. I can't imagine fighting as much as you did during elementary school :O
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
March 14 2012 20:39 GMT
#5
you're korean? xD i always thought you were caucasian
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 21:21:39
March 14 2012 21:21 GMT
#6
The regularity and quality of these blogs is awesome. This isn't directly on topic but you seem to be an excellent voice of experience and what not in this terrifying real world of ours. Any advice that would improve chances to get a job in a town that's a long distance away where you can't do in person interviews etc?

I was originally gonna just pm this question but might as well keep general advice questions public!
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Nerios
Profile Joined July 2011
12 Posts
March 14 2012 22:57 GMT
#7
Thanks for another wonderful blog Mr. Atom.

Even though I was late at finding your blogs, having missed the old ones, due to any personal reason you had to remove them, it's always a pleasure reading them.
Amidst this sea of blogs, there are always a few like yours that make this wonderful site truly more enjoyable.
Kh0rne
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia85 Posts
March 14 2012 23:50 GMT
#8
a point i'd like to make (trained mma, but done judo for much longer)

you can appreciate the art in something, even if you cannot do it yourself. for example; I train against boxers and kickboxers and they can pretty much punch me in the chin at will. They are simply better than me at punching (for good reason)
But they are amazed at the ease that i can get them on the ground once i finally close. there is a mutal respect and appreciation of each others artform.

basically dont approach mma as a whole. approach each person you train with / watch on ufc / whatever as a unique individual with a unique art or their own.
Thats basically what MMA is all about. taking techniques that work for you & discarding techniques that do not.
Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
March 14 2012 23:53 GMT
#9
Brilliant read. Will have to read AGAIN to understand it all.

I feel like doing BJJ now. lol.
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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
March 15 2012 00:06 GMT
#10
Great read! Can't believe they actually allowed/didn't stop those kinds of fights in elementary school :o
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 00:44 GMT
#11
On March 15 2012 04:11 Zortch wrote:
Makes me want to learn Judo, awesome read


I think it is a really great place to start! But expect to spend a lot of time learning how to fall 'properly' without hurting yourself, but if you may want to learn MMA, you may want to do boxing at the same time, separately. Maybe it is just me and I'm just completely untalented in striking lol.

I think many things you learn in Judo are not directly transferable in MMA because they don't always wear a gi, but what I've found thus far in going to 2 MMA is that most jujitsu practitioners aren't great at takedowns - but I guess that is natural when all we do is tossing. But tossing someone, man, it is a great feeling ^^
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 00:50 GMT
#12
On March 15 2012 04:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Why don't you have the company staff you brought to compete , teach you something?


I've actually tagged along with him to work out at a couple of MMA gyms when we're traveling. I think the first thing is that he fights at 61kg, and I'm like 110kg. So while we have rolled, I can't help but use my unfair weight advantage. And I know how the punches should happen, but I think I just need a lot more time and for takedowns there really isn't much he can teach me there. That being said, just hanging out with him during the MMA times makes me realize how I little I know outside of Judo/Aikido and when he was fighting, another friend of his came down from Seoul, just for that day to be his corner man. I really wasn't up to it, so I guess that has motivated me to learn more. But I think at this point, it is more about actually practicing...I guess ^^
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 00:53 GMT
#13
On March 15 2012 05:17 rUiNati0n wrote:
Wow, great read! The part about your dad when you were 4 was especially good. I can't imagine fighting as much as you did during elementary school :O


Thanks, I think it really was a different time back then. Although you'll see on youtube some fights etc, but pre 1988, other than Korean war veterans, most primary school kids didn't even know Korea was a real country. So just being in that environment was like being the only terran on a zerg invested world, you're just not going to get along. But I think it took me a long time to understand what my Dad meant, I thought he was just being mean. lol.
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 00:58 GMT
#14
On March 15 2012 05:39 rotinegg wrote:
you're korean? xD i always thought you were caucasian


^^
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 01:04 GMT
#15
On March 15 2012 06:21 Divinek wrote:
The regularity and quality of these blogs is awesome. This isn't directly on topic but you seem to be an excellent voice of experience and what not in this terrifying real world of ours. Any advice that would improve chances to get a job in a town that's a long distance away where you can't do in person interviews etc?

I was originally gonna just pm this question but might as well keep general advice questions public!


Just be clear that you are committed to the job and ready to move there to work etc. But honestly, if you are looking for a job and I'd need more information, like what industry/position. It is always better to at least move there and start looking while you have a temporary place of residence or just go there and do the interviews in person. Unless you are going for a place on one of those 'deadliest catch' fishing boats, I'd say, it is really hard to be competitive when there may be other applicant who are more local.

But if you really can't go, then ensure that your resume and your correspondence is always prompt, professional (make sure the formatting is perfect); do try to get a phone interview and always be very clear in what you offer, 'you'll always figure out the problems and get the results'. Sorry, generic info, but you can always add more info too ^^
Administrator-I am the universe- Morihei Ueshiba
MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 01:07 GMT
#16
On March 15 2012 07:57 Nerios wrote:
Thanks for another wonderful blog Mr. Atom.

Even though I was late at finding your blogs, having missed the old ones, due to any personal reason you had to remove them, it's always a pleasure reading them.
Amidst this sea of blogs, there are always a few like yours that make this wonderful site truly more enjoyable.


Thanks, yeah some of the people that I have worked with and some competitors actually found the blogs on TL lol and so while I was pretty vague, those who were clued in enough could put a few things together and so I had to take most of them down, just cause I got called out on it. Nothing to risk my business relationships, but they were a bit perplexed why I blogged about it, just not common in our industry I guess. But thanks for the reply, I hope to get some of the older ones up ^^
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 01:21 GMT
#17
On March 15 2012 08:50 Kh0rne wrote:
a point i'd like to make (trained mma, but done judo for much longer)

you can appreciate the art in something, even if you cannot do it yourself. for example; I train against boxers and kickboxers and they can pretty much punch me in the chin at will. They are simply better than me at punching (for good reason)
But they are amazed at the ease that i can get them on the ground once i finally close. there is a mutal respect and appreciation of each others artform.

basically dont approach mma as a whole. approach each person you train with / watch on ufc / whatever as a unique individual with a unique art or their own.
Thats basically what MMA is all about. taking techniques that work for you & discarding techniques that do not.


I agree about the mutual respect thing as well, but your last line is I think shows what I mean about MMA's current philosophy. Besides that divide between strikers and grapplers, there is also that focus on what works and doesn't, but I think MMA maybe needs to take things a bit further, in that I think Taekwondo has been largely discounted as an ineffective martial art by MMA until very recently again. And I think it is because the decision to accept or discard is based on and limited by your own individual experience as a fighter or those around you.

But then again, this is a very exciting time as well, in that, you have different MMA teams with different styles, so maybe this is how it really should be, like back in the 17-1800's in Japan where you had all these different school with different style and individuals traveled from school to school learning and developing their own philosophies and styles. Anyway, exciting times ^^
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 01:24 GMT
#18
On March 15 2012 08:53 Arterial wrote:
Brilliant read. Will have to read AGAIN to understand it all.

I feel like doing BJJ now. lol.


BJJ, super super fun. The only thing that concerns me about BJJ is that it's practitioners seem to get injured a lot and tend to think it is fine to just train with injuries and through the pain. And I think it comes from the fact that you spar until someone taps, which is fun as hell on both sides; get tapped want to do better, tap someone else and you know you really did it; but I really have only good things to say about it, just don't get injured much. ^^
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
March 15 2012 01:34 GMT
#19
On March 15 2012 09:06 GenesisX wrote:
Great read! Can't believe they actually allowed/didn't stop those kinds of fights in elementary school :o


It was basically most of the school, other than transferring, which would have been pointless as I was going to the most urban school at the time with some Chinese kids as well (they tended to just stay together as one group and didn't interact with the other non-Chinese kids).

But it really was a different time and place, I can remember going with my mom to the Italian part of town which was beside the Korean part of time to get a hair cut when I was 5 and the barber refused to cut our hair. And yes, it was on purpose, yes he was open and yes his other clients thought it was a gas. Obviously this is very minor to what blacks have suffered in the US and continue to, but the early 80's (which seems like a helluva long time ago now), I mean we were in the height of the cold war, we thought the Russians were going to nuke us and WW3 was around the corner. Spanking in school was just getting abolished at the time and we still recited the Lord's prayer in public school. My teachers understood, but there wasn't much they could do, plus, even with all the fighting I was still a perfect student. I guess it was more like, the kids will sort it out type of mentality. But to be totally fair, I never got reprimanded for fighting, never got suspended, but I guess the system at the time wasn't equipped for the situation, but they were really good teachers/principle, really good people.
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