• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:40
CEST 09:40
KST 16:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists9[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers5Maestros of the Game 2 announced22026 GSL Tour plans announced4Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail0MaNa leaves Team Liquid18
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Maestros of the Game 2 announced Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone [ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group B [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3087 users

Different kind of eSports

Blogs > speedphlux
Post a Reply
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
February 28 2012 00:06 GMT
#1
Hello there dear Liquidians !

First blog entry from me, so stay patient. It's going to be a long one and prolly not very well structured.

I've been following StarCraft for a long period now. And I do mean a long period. At first I didn't liked the game to be honest. In my mind, I had this idea that all RTS games should be about knights and mages, orcs and goblins and all that sort of rubbish. I did played WarCraft I : Orcs vs. Humans and both WarCraft IIs, and they're mainly at fault for this perception of mine. I have touched Dune 2 briefly. Enough to beat the game and move on basically, since it had no way of competing in it. But like I was saying - StarCraft didn't really "moved" me, the first time I touched it. I just beat the campaigns of the original ones and moved on. Went on to play other games at that time.

Eventually the expansion pack came out and I was stunned how difficult and hard it was. I mean the missions themselves. Keep in mind that this was long time ago, so I was still a young noob, playing mainly with my mouse and barely touching the keyboards. It almost made me angry at the game.
So I went out to vent and met up with some of my friends. We sat down, ordered some refreshing drinks and I started complaining about Blizzard ruining the whole genre with their latest creation. My friends were also very passionate gamers and PC games were usually our main topic of discussion during our little meetings over coffee and coke. One of them bugged about how much of a noob I am, since I can't even beat the Brood War campaigns. In truth, I was somewhere close to finishing the Protoss campaign at that time, but was feeling overwhelmed by the amount of units the AI kept sending my way, so I quit trying.
I knew I was a noob, but that friend of mine was someone I typically beaten on every type of game imaginable out there, that had some sort of multiplayer in it. You name it - from FIFA to Colin McRea Rally to WarCraft I and II to whatever else comes into your head. So I took it seriously. One simply does not call me a noob if he has had his ass kicked gazillion times by me. Kinda obvious.

I issued a challenge to my friend, to meet me in one week time in a nearby game hall (something simliar to Internet cafe or PC Bang) in a "deadly" 1v1 on StarCraft Brood War. Our friends helped us settle the map quite quickly - The Hunters, so I knew what I had to practice on. I was surprised that they even knew the name of a map in that game. It turned out that they were playing it via dial-up modem connection back then.
The day came rather quickly. I was playing only vs. AI for my practice, but I've started using hotkeys and all that fancy stuff. My APM was prolly still about 30, but whatever. At least I knew what key the Dragoon Range was. I barely managed to scrape the win and that made me realize that this game is hard for a reason. It takes effort and skill to be good at it. And practice too ! By accident alone, I was able to figure out my opening build order back then. It was 8-Pylon, 10-Gate and then 12-Gate.

Anyways, back to the main point - eSports is made out of skill and effort. And that's why we love it.
But you see, RTS ain't my main thing to be honest. To be frank, I play more Sports game like Virtua Tennis 4 and FIFA/PES then RTS games. My main passion however are the Racing games. The proper ones - the sims. The ones that require a lot of skill and effort. Hardware too.
So, can virtual sim-racing be enjoyable and something people would watch, even if they're not madly passionate about that game type ? That is my main question. And to quickly clear things - I'm watching a lot of SC:BW, SC2 and HoN streams and I've stopped playing the StarCrafts because they require a ton of time to master. I can't play these two like I play PES for example - just for fun. There's something in that competition there, the ladder or iCCup's ranking, that is just forcing me to want more and more and more of it. Ladder fear is something I've never had. Much rather the opposite case with me - once I see some sort of competition, I gotta have a go at it. And to enjoy those two, I'd need to master them and that requires inhuman effort out of me, so I'm just sticking to watching them as a spectator.

But sim-racing ? Oh yeah ! That can be fun and challenging at the same time. The point is - can it be a valid eSports, just like SC ? Or do you have to be strongly attached to it and a fan of the genre, to be a regular viewer ?
With the recent boredom that comes out of Formula 1, the WRC and pretty much every other racing series, with all their restrictions and regulations and safety measures, I recon virtual sim-racing has a proper shot at gaining audience. With the infinite safety net that no one can be killed or injured during a virtual race, people that are racing, are pushing themselves to the limit ... and then some more. With the lack of real cost to run in these leagues, drivers can be sure that they will have a spotless car each time they leave the pits and not wonder "Hey did that guy tighten my wheel nut all the way or ... ?!".

To those that say that this is nothing more then a sofa-driving - just don't even go there. In recent years, the technology has come along leaps and bounds. Even the cheapest wheel nowdays has proper FeedBack, which gives quite the realistic feel. And you need to feel that feedback, coz if you don't, you won't know when you're about to loose control of the back end of your car and you're going to crash. And then comes the endurance factor. 12 hours at Spa ? 24 hours at Le Mans ? Yep, those races exist in their real time format equivalent over at the sim-racers. And there's even more of that kind.
But even if that's not enough to convince you into the blood and sweat that is put in by the sim-racers into those competitions, just try an hour long race yourself, even with the aids turned on and driving with your keyboard. Oh, and driver aids are banned from online competitions, so ... I hope you get the picture.

So, the skill and the effort are there, on equal pairing. Same goes with the practice as well. The only thing lacking is the casting then. Or is it ?
I actually has been there for quite awhile now and I'm a bit surprised how these communities have managed to grow it, without being in direct contact with each other. Sure, the pure amount of SC casters has helped SC casting to grow on itself quite successfully, but that's not the case with sim-racing. Maybe it's a bit of a problem. But I'm sure you'll quickly forget about it after you watch a race or two and you start to enjoy yourself, watching some excellent driving, overtakes and compete fuck ups by the competitors.

Here are some "small" examples of what I mean :
+ Show Spoiler [A race highlight video] +

+ Show Spoiler [Full race broadcast (Championship deci…] +


So can sim-racing exist as an eSports or is it just for "sofa-driver-nerds" ?

... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
February 28 2012 00:26 GMT
#2
idk, i think games need to be fun to watch even more than fun to play. And tbh, those broadcasts were at least for me kind of boring
can i get my estro logo back pls
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 28 2012 00:28 GMT
#3
Ever heard of KartRider?

Some racing games have a following.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 28 2012 00:34 GMT
#4
I don't really get it. Just looks extremely boring to me, and that's a highlight video, which is meant to be exciting.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 28 2012 00:45 GMT
#5
Of course it can be a Esport. Problem is, why would someone watch that when they could watch Formula 1 or Nascar? SC2 and BW don't have this issue because you can't really watch zealots marines and zergling tear each other apart in real life.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
UmiNotsuki
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States633 Posts
February 28 2012 02:52 GMT
#6
Yeah, kinda boring for me, too... even when you don't know what's going on, you can feel the excitement and tension of SC2, see the explosions and here the crowd cheer. This is just... "oh, dude just passed that other dude. Yup." and then someone wins.
UmiNotsuki.111 (NA), UNTReborn.932 (EU), UmiNotsuki (iCCup) -- You see that text I wrote above this? I'll betcha $5 that you disagree :D
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
February 28 2012 03:19 GMT
#7
That was interesting I had no idea these games have competitive communities around them. I think it'd be fun to play, just racing against other people but to watch i doubt it. If I played I'd have an interest in watching it but it'd be impossible to get even other gamers interested.

If you were to do a racing esport game it shouldn't be a sim but something more outlandish like mariocart or trackmania. You might as well just watch the real thing. Spectators don't care about the costs or uncertainties in pit stop delays.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 20m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 147
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3260
Tasteless 295
actioN 97
Leta 78
soO 52
Hm[arnc] 39
PianO 16
NotJumperer 13
Bale 11
Dota 2
XcaliburYe66
febbydoto17
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1219
shoxiejesuss144
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0291
Mew2King97
Other Games
summit1g8352
ceh9253
PiGStarcraft178
-ZergGirl78
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick423
BasetradeTV273
Counter-Strike
PGL165
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt658
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 20m
Kung Fu Cup
4h 20m
Replay Cast
16h 20m
The PondCast
1d 2h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 3h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 16h
Escore
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
IPSL
3 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Ladder Legends
4 days
BSL
4 days
IPSL
4 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-13
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.