EPTShould people be allowed to own and carry swords? - Page 3
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Mr. Nefarious
United States515 Posts
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 23 2012 10:15 Mr. Nefarious wrote: Defending yourself with a sword is the same as defending yourself with a firearm. Why wouldn't you want the most effective method of defending yourself? If you use it improperly, the consequences are the exact same for shooting someone as stabbing them. Life in prison no questions asked. It is also larger, heavier, and just as difficult to use properly as a firearm. This is a dumb idea as it overlaps with more effective ways to defend yourself and offers absolutely zero benefit. Let's assume guns are banned. And the best legal defense you can carry is a sword. | ||
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Mr. Nefarious
United States515 Posts
On February 23 2012 10:22 Blasterion wrote: Let's assume guns are banned. And the best legal defense you can carry is a sword. Then I'd use my vehicle. A 4,000 pound object traveling at 40mph is way more effective than even a firearm or sword. For some reason people don't realize that a vehicle being used improperly is way more effective than anything you could carry. We've already determined that the consequences are the same for firearm vs sword, the effectiveness is less, the benefit is zero... why not just campaign to own firearms? As someone who was personally been the victim of random violence, I can assure you that the police are not an acceptable means to protect yourself. Police do a lot of investigating, not a lot of saving. It took about ten minutes for the police to arrive when my life was in danger and that entire time I was running for my life, hiding and praying I wasn't going to be found or killed. For about ten minutes, my life and future depended on pure luck. Never again. I can completely empathize with the idea that you want to protect yourself and not leave your safety in another's hands (only a fool would), however trying to find a realistic alternative to firearms is pointless. Martial Arts fall short when your attacker is significantly larger than you and also has training or in a situation with multiple assailants, swords were replaced in the mid 1800's due to their ineffectiveness at dealing with more than a single attacker and the high difficulty of attaining a level of competence with one. A vehicle is an excellent means, however obviously is not always available. What's needed is something a reasonable and sane person could carry on them at all times and could provide them with the means to save their own life in the most extreme of emergencies. Oh wait, free countries already have that. Maybe it's time to move if you treasure your personal safety. If you'd rather not move, campaign and open people's eyes to the thought that violence can be random. It can be thoughtless and it can be deadly. Imagine if you REALLY had lost your mind and wanted to hurt someone. Look down the street. No police? Nothing to stop you. Not for about 10 minutes at least, which last time I checked, is long enough to hurt or kill someone with even a pencil. Unless that person has taken their personal safety into their own hands with a firearm and proper training, you would most likely succeed in maiming or even killing them. This is reality. Insane and dangerous people do exist and yes, it really can happen to you for no reason at all. I learned the hard way and now take my safety seriously by carrying. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On February 23 2012 10:22 Blasterion wrote: Let's assume guns are banned. And the best legal defense you can carry is a sword. Blasty, I dunno about you, but I've been taught since I could understand words that the smartest thing you can do when someone has a weapon is to run, whether or not you yourself have a weapon. Beaten into me by my dad (martial artist) and my kendo sensei, who says only dumb people try to fight others in the street with a shinai or something if they have an avenue of escape open to them. Also, every fencing coach I've ever had too. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 23 2012 10:53 babylon wrote: Blasty, I dunno about you, but I've been taught since I could understand words that the smartest thing you can do when someone has a weapon is to run, whether or not you yourself have a weapon. Beaten into me by my dad (martial artist) and my kendo sensei, who says only dumb people try to fight others in the street with a shinai or something if they have an avenue of escape open to them. Also, every fencing coach I've ever had too. They taught me the same thing lol -.-" | ||
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kaoxx
86 Posts
Highly relevant + damn good. | ||
MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 23 2012 11:00 MightyAtom wrote: It's all fun and games until someone pulls out a gun. ^^ Lol yeah pretty much hahaha. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
People with think twice about messing with me, unless they are a trained swordsman/woman themself, then we can have an epic duel. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On February 23 2012 11:05 jubil wrote: As a fencer, I approve. People with think twice about messing with me, unless they are a trained swordsman/woman themself, then we can have an epic duel. Dude, only if you fence epee. Rule-free fencing! (Well, relatively rule-free compared to sabre and foil.) | ||
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
On February 23 2012 10:38 Mr. Nefarious wrote: Then I'd use my vehicle. A 4,000 pound object traveling at 40mph is way more effective than even a firearm or sword. For some reason people don't realize that a vehicle being used improperly is way more effective than anything you could carry..We've already determined that the consequences are the same for firearm vs sword, the effectiveness is less, the benefit is zero... why not just campaign to own firearms? vehicles are an invalid alternative because they are not pragmatic. if you were attacked by someone there is no way they would let you reach a car, even if you were right next to your vehicle it wouldn't work -- the time you take to get in and start the car is way more than what it takes to slash your tires. also you miss the point, the original idea here is that in a hypothetical/alternate reality guns are completely banned + destroyed and the best anyone can have is a sword. the main (positive) issue that i think the op is trying to address would be that you can't escape from someone with a gun but you can from someone threatening you with a sword -- and in extension that anyone is able to point and shoot someone (although proper handling of a firearm is a technique in itself), it is a lot easier for someone with no experience to actually hurt/kill with a standard pistol than it is if he were to try with a sword i don't know how to respond to the rest of your post since its kinda just 10 lines of text about an unfortunate event that happened to you in the past(to which i can sympathize, i was mugged at gunpoint a few years back) and how the police suck(which they do) + Show Spoiler [btw fuck your vehicle] + | ||
ArvickHero
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
As for the swords, well, I prefer knives, but there's always a place in my heart for a rather large katana. | ||
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DreamChaser
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 23 2012 11:35 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Those first three posts were hilarious! Was that orchestrated? As for the swords, well, I prefer knives, but there's always a place in my heart for a rather large katana. the thing is that knives are concealable. | ||
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Dizmaul
United States831 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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