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Calgary26004 Posts
On January 23 2012 10:25 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:22 Barrin wrote:On January 23 2012 02:12 Sawamura wrote:
Why did op get nuked ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305388Hello everyone.
SJames here, good to see you all again :D
I would have posted more blogs however I was (unfairly) temp banned for posting in the gay starcraft thread. It didn't really faze me because I had work.
Anyway, for those of you who don't know me, I am Serjei James. I am a controversial member of this community. I challenge the norm and seek to change peoples mindsets about various issues. However I have been unsuccessful as apparently nobody on this website tolerates anyone with a slightly differing opinion to theirs. This is unfortunate as I guess I will just remain as the pinyata for frustrated nerds with no life, who insult me to feel better about themselves. I have received hate-mail, death threats and many abusive comments.
Now on to today's topic : Suicide. and history I love that this guy thought he was a controversial member of TL. Talk about not having a fucking clue. Knowing that he did the same stupid shit on GosuGamers, it's almost a little sad. Guy has nothing better to do than go from site to site epically failing at trolling. Also was that title edit from Chill?
How'd you know?
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On January 23 2012 13:58 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 10:25 TheToast wrote:On January 23 2012 02:22 Barrin wrote:On January 23 2012 02:12 Sawamura wrote:
Why did op get nuked ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305388Hello everyone.
SJames here, good to see you all again :D
I would have posted more blogs however I was (unfairly) temp banned for posting in the gay starcraft thread. It didn't really faze me because I had work.
Anyway, for those of you who don't know me, I am Serjei James. I am a controversial member of this community. I challenge the norm and seek to change peoples mindsets about various issues. However I have been unsuccessful as apparently nobody on this website tolerates anyone with a slightly differing opinion to theirs. This is unfortunate as I guess I will just remain as the pinyata for frustrated nerds with no life, who insult me to feel better about themselves. I have received hate-mail, death threats and many abusive comments.
Now on to today's topic : Suicide. and history I love that this guy thought he was a controversial member of TL. Talk about not having a fucking clue. Knowing that he did the same stupid shit on GosuGamers, it's almost a little sad. Guy has nothing better to do than go from site to site epically failing at trolling. Also was that title edit from Chill? How'd you know?
Lol because it's always you. 
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On January 23 2012 13:20 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:59 Kanil wrote:On January 23 2012 11:15 DoubleReed wrote:On January 23 2012 09:18 ShadeR wrote:On January 23 2012 03:15 DoubleReed wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2012 02:20 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:16 Wohmfg wrote:
Just imagine telling a suicidal person that their decision is stupid. If you're ok with that then I'm done. Just imagine telling a fat person that their decision to eat a BigMac is stupid. If you're ok with that then you should realize that telling a suicidal person that 'suicide is stupid' is true. They are not doing anyone a favor; neither by eating the 1000th BigMac nor taking their own lives. The fat person will think he will feel better after that burger but in reality he'll only get fatter. The suicidal person thinks he will feel better after suicide but in reality he will only cease to exist. People are getting offended because calling a suicidal person stupid would probably only make the issue worse. I mean if the person really thinks they are worthless and you call them stupid, then you aren't helping. You're making them feel worse about themselves. I don't think people are getting offended because the decision itself is intelligent or stupid. They're saying this is absolutely the worse mindset if you ever have to deal with a suicidal person. Although "stupid" is probably incorrect anyway. I don't think it's an intelligence thing. Smart people are still vulnerable to a lot of illogical, irrational, and biased thinking. People, even smart people, aren't the best judges of their own situations. To the dead person it is a nonoutcome... This is only true if the dead person has absolutely no one that he himself cares about. While the dead person may think he doesn't, it would still be negative outcome for the dead person's family and loved ones. If he cares about someone, and then they are harmed emotionally by the suicide, then it would still be a negative outcome for the dead person. The person is dead there are no more outcomes. Unless of course you believe that, that which ceases to exist can still have feelings. Our difference in opinion might be because are aren't on the same page. Your looking at the net result of suicide from the perspective of a community and i'm looking at it from the perspective of that which has no community. Well no. Let's say I'm suicidal. I have a mom and dad. They care about me and I care about them. If I kill myself, my mom and dad gets sad. That's bad from my perspective, because I care about my parents. I don't want my parents to feel sad. Sure, I'm dead at that point, so my wants and desires don't really count, but we're talking about the decision itself, at which point I'm still alive. I don't really understand how you have a perspective without community. Most of our lives is how we deal with our communities. How could you possibly take that out of the equation? No human, suicidal or not, would ever consider that. Yes, but you're suffering. You have a choice to make, you can continue to suffer, to live only to avoid harming your parents... or you can end your suffering, and in turn bring sadness to your family. You have to choose between dying for yourself, or living so others don't have to be pained by your death. It is hard to justify living for other people, when you do not live for yourself. That was not the question. It was whether or not death is a neutral outcome or a negative outcome. It's clearly a negative outcome. Saying that living is also a negative outcome does not matter.Look, try to think of it is a utility-function-wise as possible. Clearly the sadness you bring to others is going to be on the bad side, regardless of whether you are still living to care. Clearly any possible future happiness you are giving up is on the negative side. Any perceived terrible things you have going on in your life that will end is on the positive side. That's all I'm saying.
Nope thats never been the question but i answered you anyway that it's a nonoutcome.
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On January 23 2012 11:59 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 11:15 DoubleReed wrote:On January 23 2012 09:18 ShadeR wrote:On January 23 2012 03:15 DoubleReed wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2012 02:20 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:16 Wohmfg wrote:
Just imagine telling a suicidal person that their decision is stupid. If you're ok with that then I'm done. Just imagine telling a fat person that their decision to eat a BigMac is stupid. If you're ok with that then you should realize that telling a suicidal person that 'suicide is stupid' is true. They are not doing anyone a favor; neither by eating the 1000th BigMac nor taking their own lives. The fat person will think he will feel better after that burger but in reality he'll only get fatter. The suicidal person thinks he will feel better after suicide but in reality he will only cease to exist. People are getting offended because calling a suicidal person stupid would probably only make the issue worse. I mean if the person really thinks they are worthless and you call them stupid, then you aren't helping. You're making them feel worse about themselves. I don't think people are getting offended because the decision itself is intelligent or stupid. They're saying this is absolutely the worse mindset if you ever have to deal with a suicidal person. Although "stupid" is probably incorrect anyway. I don't think it's an intelligence thing. Smart people are still vulnerable to a lot of illogical, irrational, and biased thinking. People, even smart people, aren't the best judges of their own situations. To the dead person it is a nonoutcome... This is only true if the dead person has absolutely no one that he himself cares about. While the dead person may think he doesn't, it would still be negative outcome for the dead person's family and loved ones. If he cares about someone, and then they are harmed emotionally by the suicide, then it would still be a negative outcome for the dead person. The person is dead there are no more outcomes. Unless of course you believe that, that which ceases to exist can still have feelings. Our difference in opinion might be because are aren't on the same page. Your looking at the net result of suicide from the perspective of a community and i'm looking at it from the perspective of that which has no community. Well no. Let's say I'm suicidal. I have a mom and dad. They care about me and I care about them. If I kill myself, my mom and dad gets sad. That's bad from my perspective, because I care about my parents. I don't want my parents to feel sad. Sure, I'm dead at that point, so my wants and desires don't really count, but we're talking about the decision itself, at which point I'm still alive. I don't really understand how you have a perspective without community. Most of our lives is how we deal with our communities. How could you possibly take that out of the equation? No human, suicidal or not, would ever consider that. uhh the dead have no community?
New TL for dead people. We'll have Genghis Khan posting mad strats for TvT or better yet have Napoleon teach Stephano a trick or two ^^
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