I just played two games. One as sion with an eve laning partner who roamed after she hit 5. I fed a jax with akali support so much D: but got carried by my team later 2-4.
Second game, I played as morgana against the eve from my last game.
The friend I was playing with raged too. It happens every game. We lost a teamfight where morde was afk farming 10 feet away. Later he was defending base because an inhib got taken out and we lost another teamfight.
We were playing against 2 people who were on our team the previous game. Man I shouldn't pick fights early on with sion, not when I have an eve on my side in lane, but late game, enemy eve caught me out trying to gank a bird. It really is just important that you play well. There will always be someone caught out on one team, because there will always be a better team. There's just no getting around that.
That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks. I'm gonna guess that he is a solid player and that is why he was not immediately removed from the team. There is no place for those type of remarks anywhere in a team atmosphere.
Secondly, I am a little surprised that you are blogging about this. I think this is something, especially since you have decided to remain with the team even after his remarks and lack of punishment, that should have been kept quiet. It's like the old saying: what is said in the locker room, stays in the locker room. This only paints a bad picture for your new team.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
it doesn't work very efficiently. it's an archaic and dated method of teamwork. What's that about casuals?
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
it doesn't work very efficiently. it's an archaic and dated method of teamwork. What's that about casuals?
Pretty sure it works. Worked for my team and me, and it works for plenty of current FPS teams. Just because we live in a mostly fluffy world doesn't mean the methods you qualify as "archaic" and "dated" aren't the optimal ones. If you can't handle tough love, you'll never be up there - not in team games.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
There is a difference between calling someone bad or horrible than calling someone a 'cunt' or 'whore'. You are right to call me a casual gamer, however, that does not mean that I have not been competitive in other aspects of my life, ie military service, business world, and real sports. So I do understand what it is like to be in a competitive environment.
There will be disagreements and arguments in the heat of battle. I get that. However, when you use words in a derogatory fashion to another player on your team you might ruin your relationship with that person and then cause a lot of friction on your team. There is no place in any environment for those types of words and it seems to me that the player in question has a lot of growing up to do. If like you say, almost all good teams are like this, then basically what you are saying is that more than 50% of the top LoL teams are okay with calling their female members 'cunts' and 'whores'? I wonder what those teams and their sponsors have to say about this?
I have a feeling that he's more upset thy you took it upon yourself to take a risk. As a new player on the team they might not do those types of plays, but maybe it'll breathe some life into them. Hopefully the guy isn't always like that. My team loves me because of my rage---to a point. I get all riled up and excited. I taunt and talk shit in game and I back it up, but when I'm off I never hear the end of it.
As someone who rages, it's best to talk to said rager and see where it takes you.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
There is a difference between calling someone bad or horrible than calling someone a 'cunt' or 'whore'.
I've been called a "fucking retard", "moron", "piece of shit" more times than I can count - and most of them came from my teammates, most of which are great guys who got angry when I screwed up. I was the same way toward them, and even though sometimes there were hard feelings, we were all fine with it. It doesn't matter if my friends are being mad at me because anyway I was mad at myself for screwing up. And when they screwed up, I was the one to get genuinely angry at them - and they were fine with it.
You are right to call me a casual gamer, however, that does not mean that I have not been competitive in other aspects of my life, ie military service, business world, and real sports. So I do understand what it is like to be in a competitive environment.
Well if you've been in the military, I assume that when you suck, they aren't nice to you to make sure your little feelings aren't hurt.
There will be disagreements and arguments in the heat of battle. I get that. However, when you use words in a derogatory fashion to another player on your team you might ruin your relationship with that person and then cause a lot of friction on your team. There is no place in any environment for those types of words and it seems to me that the player in question has a lot of growing up to do.
That's just ironic. If a relationship between friends is "ruined" by derogatory words in a competitive environment, the offended party has a lot of growing up to do. I mean sure, if there's true meaning behind the words, then there's a real problem, but whatever someone says during a game in the heat of the moment, provided it's not a long rant that bothers everyone, is perfectly acceptable.
If like you say, almost all good teams are like this, then basically what you are saying is that more than 50% of the top LoL teams are okay with calling their female members 'cunts' and 'whores'? I wonder what those teams and their sponsors have to say about this?
They probably call each other cunts and retards and all kinds of horrible stuff. Some derogatory terms apply more directly to females and may be more "offensive" to them, but in the end, had Riku been a dude, it would've been something else. What do the sponsors think? Well the big sponsor don't give a damn if it stays in the private Ventrilo. Most guys won't cry about angry words being uttered by teammates during a competition - some overly emotional people care... Maybe they should care more about winning and less about who made meany meany boo boo.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
There is a difference between calling someone bad or horrible than calling someone a 'cunt' or 'whore'.
I've been called a "fucking retard", "moron", "piece of shit" more times than I can count - and most of them came from my teammates, most of which are great guys who got angry when I screwed up. I was the same way toward them, and even though sometimes there were hard feelings, we were all fine with it. It doesn't matter if my friends are being mad at me because anyway I was mad at myself for screwing up. And when they screwed up, I was the one to get genuinely angry at them - and they were fine with it.
You are right to call me a casual gamer, however, that does not mean that I have not been competitive in other aspects of my life, ie military service, business world, and real sports. So I do understand what it is like to be in a competitive environment.
Well if you've been in the military, I assume that when you suck, they aren't nice to you to make sure your little feelings aren't hurt.
There will be disagreements and arguments in the heat of battle. I get that. However, when you use words in a derogatory fashion to another player on your team you might ruin your relationship with that person and then cause a lot of friction on your team. There is no place in any environment for those types of words and it seems to me that the player in question has a lot of growing up to do.
That's just ironic. If a relationship between friends is "ruined" by derogatory words in a competitive environment, the offended party has a lot of growing up to do. I mean sure, if there's true meaning behind the words, then there's a real problem, but whatever someone says during a game in the heat of the moment, provided it's not a long rant that bothers everyone, is perfectly acceptable.
If like you say, almost all good teams are like this, then basically what you are saying is that more than 50% of the top LoL teams are okay with calling their female members 'cunts' and 'whores'? I wonder what those teams and their sponsors have to say about this?
They probably call each other cunts and retards and all kinds of horrible stuff. Some derogatory terms apply more directly to females and may be more "offensive" to them, but in the end, had Riku been a dude, it would've been something else. What do the sponsors think? Well the big sponsor don't give a damn if it stays in the private Ventrilo. Most guys won't cry about angry words being uttered by teammates during a competition - some overly emotional people care... Maybe they should care more about winning and less about who made meany meany boo boo.
It horrifies me to know that people actually share these sentiments. The rest of reality is nothing like "competitive gaming". Your view is so warped by the video-game environment that you don't realize that other forms of competition (namely sports) don't actually function like the competitive video-game world does. You need a reality check.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
There is a difference between calling someone bad or horrible than calling someone a 'cunt' or 'whore'.
I've been called a "fucking retard", "moron", "piece of shit" more times than I can count - and most of them came from my teammates, most of which are great guys who got angry when I screwed up. I was the same way toward them, and even though sometimes there were hard feelings, we were all fine with it. It doesn't matter if my friends are being mad at me because anyway I was mad at myself for screwing up. And when they screwed up, I was the one to get genuinely angry at them - and they were fine with it.
You are right to call me a casual gamer, however, that does not mean that I have not been competitive in other aspects of my life, ie military service, business world, and real sports. So I do understand what it is like to be in a competitive environment.
Well if you've been in the military, I assume that when you suck, they aren't nice to you to make sure your little feelings aren't hurt.
There will be disagreements and arguments in the heat of battle. I get that. However, when you use words in a derogatory fashion to another player on your team you might ruin your relationship with that person and then cause a lot of friction on your team. There is no place in any environment for those types of words and it seems to me that the player in question has a lot of growing up to do.
That's just ironic. If a relationship between friends is "ruined" by derogatory words in a competitive environment, the offended party has a lot of growing up to do. I mean sure, if there's true meaning behind the words, then there's a real problem, but whatever someone says during a game in the heat of the moment, provided it's not a long rant that bothers everyone, is perfectly acceptable.
If like you say, almost all good teams are like this, then basically what you are saying is that more than 50% of the top LoL teams are okay with calling their female members 'cunts' and 'whores'? I wonder what those teams and their sponsors have to say about this?
They probably call each other cunts and retards and all kinds of horrible stuff. Some derogatory terms apply more directly to females and may be more "offensive" to them, but in the end, had Riku been a dude, it would've been something else. What do the sponsors think? Well the big sponsor don't give a damn if it stays in the private Ventrilo. Most guys won't cry about angry words being uttered by teammates during a competition - some overly emotional people care... Maybe they should care more about winning and less about who made meany meany boo boo.
It horrifies me to know that people actually share these sentiments. The rest of reality is nothing like "competitive gaming". Your view is so warped by the video-game environment that you don't realize that other forms of competition (namely sports) don't actually function like the competitive video-game world does. You need a reality check.
I've been at a few hockey games right behind the players - you should hear how they talk to each other. At least the Canadiens. The coach isn't exactly nice either. Solid reality check for me. Maybe you need a reality check yourself: I didn't say anything to the effect that sports and "e-sports" were exactly the same. They have similarities and many differences. Don't just make things up.
Note: If my view of how inane and harmless "bad words" are "HORRIFIES" you, I don't know how you'll make it through life without crying the whole way through.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
There is a difference between calling someone bad or horrible than calling someone a 'cunt' or 'whore'.
I've been called a "fucking retard", "moron", "piece of shit" more times than I can count - and most of them came from my teammates, most of which are great guys who got angry when I screwed up. I was the same way toward them, and even though sometimes there were hard feelings, we were all fine with it. It doesn't matter if my friends are being mad at me because anyway I was mad at myself for screwing up. And when they screwed up, I was the one to get genuinely angry at them - and they were fine with it.
I am surprised you do not see the difference between being called a piece of shit or moron compared to being called a cunt or whore, especially from a girl's perspective. Also, that type of behavior, the name-calling, does not provide a good team environment. I guess the logic behind it is that after being called names I am supposed to work harder in order to not be called names again. How about using constructive criticism instead?
You are right to call me a casual gamer, however, that does not mean that I have not been competitive in other aspects of my life, ie military service, business world, and real sports. So I do understand what it is like to be in a competitive environment.
Well if you've been in the military, I assume that when you suck, they aren't nice to you to make sure your little feelings aren't hurt.
No, they aren't nice, but we are not arguing that. We are arguing the choice of words. Also, my feelings were never hurt when I was in the Army. In fact, they did all they could to to build my confidence.
There will be disagreements and arguments in the heat of battle. I get that. However, when you use words in a derogatory fashion to another player on your team you might ruin your relationship with that person and then cause a lot of friction on your team. There is no place in any environment for those types of words and it seems to me that the player in question has a lot of growing up to do.
That's just ironic. If a relationship between friends is "ruined" by derogatory words in a competitive environment, the offended party has a lot of growing up to do. I mean sure, if there's true meaning behind the words, then there's a real problem, but whatever someone says during a game in the heat of the moment, provided it's not a long rant that bothers everyone, is perfectly acceptable.
If you reread her post you will see that she never refers to him as a 'friend'. Only a teammate.
And I am sorry, I always thought that referring to someone has a cunt or whore out of rage was an immature thing to do. I was always under the impression that adults are supposed to talk through issues without insults.
If like you say, almost all good teams are like this, then basically what you are saying is that more than 50% of the top LoL teams are okay with calling their female members 'cunts' and 'whores'? I wonder what those teams and their sponsors have to say about this?
They probably call each other cunts and retards and all kinds of horrible stuff. Some derogatory terms apply more directly to females and may be more "offensive" to them, but in the end, had Riku been a dude, it would've been something else. What do the sponsors think? Well the big sponsor don't give a damn if it stays in the private Ventrilo. Most guys won't cry about angry words being uttered by teammates during a competition - some overly emotional people care... Maybe they should care more about winning and less about who made meany meany boo boo.
Riku is not a dude, and that is why this is a problem. Let's not get into that argument because we probably disagree on that too.
Why don't you watch some captains of professional sports teams and watch how they approach their teammates when they mess up. Usually it's a talk with constructive criticism, followed by the ol' slap in the butt. It seems to work for real sports, why not e-sports?
Also, I beg to differ whether or not the sponsor cares. If you tell a sponsor that those types of statements are being used towards female members of the team I think they will make changes. Not only because it is the right thing to do, but also because they have an image as a business to uphold.
Winning is very important. Having a work environment that encourages development and offers solid advice for improvement are all part of making a winning team. Yes, you can have some really talented people on your team, but in the end of the day, the team that works better as a team will be on top.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
There is a difference between calling someone bad or horrible than calling someone a 'cunt' or 'whore'.
I've been called a "fucking retard", "moron", "piece of shit" more times than I can count - and most of them came from my teammates, most of which are great guys who got angry when I screwed up. I was the same way toward them, and even though sometimes there were hard feelings, we were all fine with it. It doesn't matter if my friends are being mad at me because anyway I was mad at myself for screwing up. And when they screwed up, I was the one to get genuinely angry at them - and they were fine with it.
You are right to call me a casual gamer, however, that does not mean that I have not been competitive in other aspects of my life, ie military service, business world, and real sports. So I do understand what it is like to be in a competitive environment.
Well if you've been in the military, I assume that when you suck, they aren't nice to you to make sure your little feelings aren't hurt.
There will be disagreements and arguments in the heat of battle. I get that. However, when you use words in a derogatory fashion to another player on your team you might ruin your relationship with that person and then cause a lot of friction on your team. There is no place in any environment for those types of words and it seems to me that the player in question has a lot of growing up to do.
That's just ironic. If a relationship between friends is "ruined" by derogatory words in a competitive environment, the offended party has a lot of growing up to do. I mean sure, if there's true meaning behind the words, then there's a real problem, but whatever someone says during a game in the heat of the moment, provided it's not a long rant that bothers everyone, is perfectly acceptable.
If like you say, almost all good teams are like this, then basically what you are saying is that more than 50% of the top LoL teams are okay with calling their female members 'cunts' and 'whores'? I wonder what those teams and their sponsors have to say about this?
They probably call each other cunts and retards and all kinds of horrible stuff. Some derogatory terms apply more directly to females and may be more "offensive" to them, but in the end, had Riku been a dude, it would've been something else. What do the sponsors think? Well the big sponsor don't give a damn if it stays in the private Ventrilo. Most guys won't cry about angry words being uttered by teammates during a competition - some overly emotional people care... Maybe they should care more about winning and less about who made meany meany boo boo.
It horrifies me to know that people actually share these sentiments. The rest of reality is nothing like "competitive gaming". Your view is so warped by the video-game environment that you don't realize that other forms of competition (namely sports) don't actually function like the competitive video-game world does. You need a reality check.
I've been at a few hockey games right behind the players - you should hear how they talk to each other. At least the Canadiens. The coach isn't exactly nice either. Solid reality check for me. Maybe you need a reality check yourself: I didn't say anything to the effect that sports and "e-sports" were exactly the same. They have similarities and many differences. Don't just make things up.
That is a poor example since the NHL suspends players for using derogatory remarks.
On January 10 2012 04:12 drgoats wrote: I am surprised you do not see the difference between being called a piece of shit or moron compared to being called a cunt or whore, especially from a girl's perspective. Also, that type of behavior, the name-calling, does not provide a good team environment. I guess the logic behind it is that after being called names I am supposed to work harder in order to not be called names again. How about using constructive criticism instead?
There's no difference between derogatory labels being thrown at random. Riku is obviously not a cunt and probably not a whore. Might as well call her a rock or a retarded rabbit - in the end it's largely meaningless. I got called a fag, a dick, etc. Every derogatory word you can think of. Do women just happen to have harsher derogatory labels?
No, they aren't nice, but we are not arguing that. We are arguing the choice of words. Also, my feelings were never hurt when I was in the Army. In fact, they did all they could to to build my confidence.
Tis not like in the movies then =(.
If you reread her post you will see that she never refers to him as a 'friend'. Only a teammate.
And I am sorry, I always thought that referring to someone has a cunt or whore out of rage was an immature thing to do. I was always under the impression that adults are supposed to talk through issues without insults.
Well I refer to my teammates as friend. Fact is, I don't know the RL names of many of the people who were rude to me after I screwed up. As for using bad words being an "immature" thing - might be... My friends and I do it. On Dec 30th, we had a LAN and someone said "fuck you Carl, no wonder your whore of a mom doesn't like you, you can't even play". It was a big ole' immature angry gamer thing.
Why don't you watch some captains of professional sports teams and watch how they approach their teammates when they mess up. Usually it's a talk with constructive criticism, followed by the ol' slap in the butt. It seems to work for real sports, why not e-sports?
On camera maybe. Having seen them in person from right behind the glass, it's a truckload of insults followed by angry advice.
Also, I beg to differ whether or not the sponsor cares. If you tell a sponsor that those types of statements are being used towards female members of the team I think they will make changes. Not only because it is the right thing to do, but also because they have an image as a business to uphold.
Our sponsors didn't care about our heavy cursing on ventrilo during CAL matches. Even at live tournaments, we were just a little bit more quiet about it. Our sponsors were fine. Obviously some sponsors are more "politically correct" than others and won't put up with that, but don't forget most of them will put up with it. IdrA and Naniwa still collect their paychecks.
On January 09 2012 08:41 drgoats wrote: That player should be removed from the team for making such derogatory remarks.
Competitive world is harsh and it's normal for people to be rude. Almost all good teams are like this. If she's deciding to tough it out, more power to her because it's how the competitive world works. You deal with it.
Sigh I give up. Casuals -_-
There is a difference between calling someone bad or horrible than calling someone a 'cunt' or 'whore'.
I've been called a "fucking retard", "moron", "piece of shit" more times than I can count - and most of them came from my teammates, most of which are great guys who got angry when I screwed up. I was the same way toward them, and even though sometimes there were hard feelings, we were all fine with it. It doesn't matter if my friends are being mad at me because anyway I was mad at myself for screwing up. And when they screwed up, I was the one to get genuinely angry at them - and they were fine with it.
You are right to call me a casual gamer, however, that does not mean that I have not been competitive in other aspects of my life, ie military service, business world, and real sports. So I do understand what it is like to be in a competitive environment.
Well if you've been in the military, I assume that when you suck, they aren't nice to you to make sure your little feelings aren't hurt.
There will be disagreements and arguments in the heat of battle. I get that. However, when you use words in a derogatory fashion to another player on your team you might ruin your relationship with that person and then cause a lot of friction on your team. There is no place in any environment for those types of words and it seems to me that the player in question has a lot of growing up to do.
That's just ironic. If a relationship between friends is "ruined" by derogatory words in a competitive environment, the offended party has a lot of growing up to do. I mean sure, if there's true meaning behind the words, then there's a real problem, but whatever someone says during a game in the heat of the moment, provided it's not a long rant that bothers everyone, is perfectly acceptable.
If like you say, almost all good teams are like this, then basically what you are saying is that more than 50% of the top LoL teams are okay with calling their female members 'cunts' and 'whores'? I wonder what those teams and their sponsors have to say about this?
They probably call each other cunts and retards and all kinds of horrible stuff. Some derogatory terms apply more directly to females and may be more "offensive" to them, but in the end, had Riku been a dude, it would've been something else. What do the sponsors think? Well the big sponsor don't give a damn if it stays in the private Ventrilo. Most guys won't cry about angry words being uttered by teammates during a competition - some overly emotional people care... Maybe they should care more about winning and less about who made meany meany boo boo.
It horrifies me to know that people actually share these sentiments. The rest of reality is nothing like "competitive gaming". Your view is so warped by the video-game environment that you don't realize that other forms of competition (namely sports) don't actually function like the competitive video-game world does. You need a reality check.
I've been at a few hockey games right behind the players - you should hear how they talk to each other. At least the Canadiens. The coach isn't exactly nice either. Solid reality check for me. Maybe you need a reality check yourself: I didn't say anything to the effect that sports and "e-sports" were exactly the same. They have similarities and many differences. Don't just make things up.
That is a poor example since the NHL suspends players for using derogatory remarks.
Mostly to the other team. I was there, I saw it - multiple times. Can't be a poor example.
I've always wondered if people actually rage out when they're on a team in MOBA games, me and riptide were discussing it during the dota 2 international. Sorry that you had to take the brunt of it, just tell them to fuck off and get back to owning!
I understand the competitive world is... well, competitive. However, I don't see why the professional side should be left out of professional gaming. Nothing good comes from cursing out your teammates. Criticism is always welcome, but calling me a "dumb cunt" is not likely to improve my gameplay.
I joined the team not to be on a team but to play with people that would increase the enjoyability of the game and avoid ragers. I may look for another team if this guy continues with the same attitude.
In professional gaming, whatever works sticks. Being extremely rude worked for us and it obviously works for many "real sports" professional teams. I mentioned IdrA - he used to be incredibly unprofessional (still kind of is) but he's good. I wouldn't accept people calling me names in a semi-professional format, but results talk.
Now I was just responding to what those people were saying anyway. If someone called me names in a malicious way, it wouldn't be my cup of tea either.
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