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imjorman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States580 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-07 07:16:19
January 07 2012 06:46 GMT
#1
okokokok So I have no real skills that the internet/ESPORTS/SC2 need and I feel really worthless in this community sometimes.

BUT I do have education and training in an area that a lot of people do not and in an area that is often misunderstood: biblical exegesis. This guide isn't meant as a conversion piece, it's simply me kicking some information out there that I know and others may find handy at times.

Ever hear someone quote the Bible and your just like "what in the honest fuck"? Yeah, me too. It drives me nuts. So here we go with my guide and I hope you read it: at least as an educational piece :D

Introduction
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Biblical interpretation is widly regarded as both an art and a science. it is a science in the respect that there is a method that is followed for interpretation. It is an art because it requires flexibility, at times inprecision, and (admittedly) creativity. Exegetes of the Old and New Testament must be able to piece together all available information to best discover the meaning of the text to both the ancient reader and to the modern 21st century reader.

It is a science, however, because there is usually one right answer. The most annoying thing someonme can say to a biblical scholar is, "Here is what the text means to me..." This is actually really annoying. Biblical authors wrote to various audiences with a singular goal: to convey information about Jesus Christ and how to best follow his example. Situations are specific and instructions are given to these specific situations. As you'll see, context is everything. Reading about how we should "rejoice in suffering" doesn't mean that we should deal with going to church when we don't want to, or seeing people we don't want to. It means something far different.


1. Context
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I deliberated for a bit on how to best start this guide. I debated between starting with genres, major themes, historical criticism, everything. But I decided on context. Why? Because it must be understood that context is literally everything when interpreting any piece of prose, especially ancient documents.

The analogy I like to use when talking to other bible students is this: when you read the paper and hear that "Alistair Overeem kicked that shit out of Brock Lesnar" there could be several scenarios. 1. Overeem is a criminal and attacked Brock Lesnar and beat him up. 2. Brock Lesnar tried to start stuff with Overeem and Overeem fought back. 3. The two were participating in a sporting contest known as mixed martial arts and Overeem bested Lesnar in the contest.

Quite apparently, context is everything in this news story. The exact same goes for biblical interpretation. You can quote anything out of the bible and make any claim you want to. I could quote, for instance, 1 timothy 2:11-15

"11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

One could read this and say "Wow, Paul was a misyogenist." And that is a highly inaccurate statement. Paul was simply acting within his historical context.

There are various types of context.

There is historical context. Historical context deals with understanding the culture/historical events going on at the time. The type of world the people lived in. For instance, in our 1 Timothy 2:11-15 example, Paul's culture taught that women were subordinate to men. Paul was attempting to act within the culture of his people in order to most effectively minister to them. Social reform could take place after they had accepted the news he had to bring and the standards that the message brought.

There is grammatical context. This one makes sense enough. What is the relationship between the nouns, verbs, and adjectives? This is best seen in the Greek New Testament as all grammatical relationships are best seen in the original language.

There is also literary context. What genre is the text? I will discuss various genres in another section, but the type of genre that a piece of writing is heavily influences how it should be interpreted.


2. Genres
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There are several types of genres in the Bible and I will focus on the main ones found in the New Testament.

Narrative: the most basic type of genre. These pieces of literature were simply stories. Think of the life of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) and the acts of the Disciples (Acts). These are basic narratives that cover a specific story (life, death, ressurection, subsequent ministries). You can read this just like you would a story. No hidden meanings, just a recounting of the events as they occured.

Epistle: Epistles are letters. The epistles in the new testament were either written to individuals (1/2 Timothy), churches (Philippians), or wide groups of people (Hebrews, 1/2 peter, etc.). You can typically tell who the letter is to by the introduction; the introduction is usually the first one or two verses of the book. These letters were often written to address specific circumstances. The ancient reader would have understood the contents of the letter writer exactly. The modern reader, however, must do a bit of interpreting. How can the situations the ancient writers were addressing be paralled in my daily life? Where can I insert society, myself, or others into this situation. Once the comparisons are made, applications can be made. If Paul instructed a group of people to do something that found themselves in a similar circumstance that I find myself in, I can apply the information to my own life.

Prophetical literature: Ahh, good old revelation. The topic of many history channel episodes. This is, obviously, the hardest to interpret. The best way to look at this genre of literature isn't "what does it mean for the end of the world". I like to look at it in it's historical context (see, I told you context would be important). What message was the author trying to convey to the original readers? Be constantly prepared for the end? Don't give in to the authorities around you concerning your faith? I realize this is a mega-vague overview of prophetical literature, but i want to give a survey of some various genres and I could write all day on prophetical literature.


3. The Method
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So what is the actual method for interpreting various scripture? Here it is, in as close to step-by-step instructions as I can give.

1. Select the text you want to study. Typically a 6-8 block of verses is appropriate. How do you choose this? Well, pick whatever you want. Have a friend that constantly throws bible at you? Look up some of the stuff he says and pick a couple of those verses.

2. Read the entire book in which your verses are located. Did you pick 1 timothy 2:11-15? Read all of 1 Timothy! Remember, context is key.

3. Construct an outline of the entire book you are studying. This helps you be able to review the book at a glance. What are the major themes and then sub-themes in the book?

4. Construct a verse-by-verse outline of the verses you are studying. This helps you see the flow of the passage you are about to exegete.

5. Identify the genre of your book and verse. Most basically, is your verse contained in a letter or a narrative? Secondly, what is the specific purpose of your verses (to instruct, congratulate, or otherwise)? (Note: this step may require sources mentioned in step 6).

6. Consult several biblical commentaries(. These range from secular to ecclesiastical in nature. Consult several and read the parts that deal with the authorship, place of writing, and time of writing. After consulting several commentaries, draw your own conclusion about the who, where, and when based on the evidence you have seen.

7. Consult the biblical commentaries again* and see what they have to say about your verses. Often, these commentaries are broken down by chapter/verse so just look up what they have to say. What do all of the commentaries tell you about the intricasies of your passage? Anything you wouldn't have guessed because of historical/grammatical information you couldn't have gotten after a simple read through? After consulting several commentaries, follow the same procedure in step 6: draw your own conclusions on what the passage means after digesting all the information.

8. Compile all the infromation you've learned. this way, you have a record of your research.

9. ???

10. Profit

*For a list of bible commentary series that I recommend, see "Bible Commentaries" section below.


Terms
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Exegesis: The art/science of biblical interpretation. "THis is a quick survey of biblcal exegesis"
exegete (noun): one who practices exegesis. "I am an exegete"
exegete (verb): The practice of interpreting a text. "I am currently exegeting 1 timothy 2:11-15"


Sources
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I've done a fair amount of reading, incluiding the totality of the NIV version of the bible, Greek New Testament, and several commentaries (think hundreds). here are some amazon links to sources I've read that you may find interesting):

http://www.amazon.com/Discovering-New-Testament-Community-Faith/dp/0834120933/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325918343&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/NIV-Study-Bible-Kenneth-Barker/dp/0310925681

http://www.amazon.com/Basics-Biblical-Grammar-William-Mounce/dp/0310250870/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325918389&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Biblical-Interpretation-Revised-William/dp/0785252258/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325918414&sr=1-1


Biblical Commentary Series
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I recommend the following series if you ever go to your library for various books. Yes, they're all published by ecclesiastical organizations, but the authors themselves may/may not be religious.

*Sacra Pagina Series
*New Beacon Bible Commentary
*The NIV Application Commentary
*The NIV Study Bible

When you get to your library to do some research, simply search for "[Book name] [[Commentary Series name]]" or even just "[Book name]" to get a wider range of commentaries.


Disclaimer
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I'm not trying to convert anyone. Yes, I'm a theist. I'm totally open for discussion of the validity of the texts, random theology, or anything. I like discourse. Love it, actually. Hit me up via PM. All of my writing above assumes accuracy and authenticity of biblical text. Because if it wasn't historically accurate, I wouldn't bother interpreting it. Once again, totally open to talking.

This was meant to be a quick introduction, and siomply my giving to the community. I realized I left a lot out but I just wanted to throw something out there and maybe edit it and make additions as I have time. I hope you all at least enjkoy the read as I enjoyed the write


University Credit
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To my university that bestowed this knowledge and methodology to me, I wish to give thanks. I did not craft this system from my head, but was taught it by those better and smarter than me. This is my mark of "citing my sources" as it were. I won't post university name for privacy reasons (small school, you'll understand), but do know that this work is simply my reiteration and (slight) modification of the teachings I have received, readings I've read, and thoughts I've thought.


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vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
January 07 2012 06:55 GMT
#2
what other holy books have you read ._.? cuz i've seen too much focus on christianity + branches and it became somewhat mundane, no one here actually thoroughly studied Hinduism, taoist, Buddhism, or maybe shinto?
what quote?
cydial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States750 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-07 07:00:54
January 07 2012 06:56 GMT
#3
Explain people who consider the context of the bible yet still have very different interpretations of it?

I reject all religious claims of God as I see them all as nothing more than interesting stories.

Personally I find more sound morality in Harry Potter than I do in the bible, but I am interested to hear what you have to say about this.
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
January 07 2012 07:00 GMT
#4
This is quite good and helpful/informative. The problem with most cliche' references to biblical text (Leviticus is a fun one, Revalation too, and just about anything that sounds remotely out of place in our world) is that the reference is often so weak it's prettymuch worthless. I'm too tired to find a good one, but there are many good provebs about fools in the company of fools, and what a dissaster that is. One side sticking litterally to the text without trying to understand it, the other rejecting it withouth any actual critical engagement because it's not of this age and culture; where ya gonna get with that, greater depths of insight and knowledge? Nope.

TL;DR Whenever someone (of either stance) says to you "well the Bible says [blah]" their statement is quite likely to cause more harm than good if they haven't followed the steps outlined above, because chances are they haven't really dug into it and searched throughly enough. Minimum check? It's worth a lot less if they can't cite book/chapter/verse.
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imjorman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States580 Posts
January 07 2012 07:01 GMT
#5
On January 07 2012 15:55 vitruvia wrote:
what other holy books have you read ._.? cuz i've seen too much focus on christianity + branches and it became somewhat mundane, no one here actually thoroughly studied Hinduism, taoist, Buddhism, or maybe shinto?


To be honest, I've only given a main study on the Bible. However, I've done some reading of the Koran and read a little bit about the Islamic faith. I'm attending a conference in March about world religions and hopefully I get a spark of interest in other religions. If I had to be something else (a question I'm commonly asked) I'd probably be an existential atheist. Not shit is going on, but damn it I'm gonna make the best of it (assuming my understanding of this position is correct ^^)
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
January 07 2012 07:06 GMT
#6
imjorman I dunno if you're crafting a response, but I wanna sleep so I'll clear the plate.

vitruvia, it's innately less likely because this is mainly a .... Judaeo-Christian culture, but that's obvious. The next simple retort is "well we don't need to, what's there to gain from the surface of many books, when we can really get to grips with the true one". It's not just about how many different 'faith systems' you've looked into Sadly I couldn't give you any good analogies or insights about the religions you metion, although my Dad could; he grew up in Japan, it figures. Yet as far as my limited mind is concerned, the techniques imjorman outlines are essential to anything more than the most basic of any (holy) texts. I do hope there's at least this foundation of systematic study approach in other faiths, ye really need it. And, well, if there isin't , what does that say about faiths that do have it.....
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imjorman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States580 Posts
January 07 2012 07:09 GMT
#7
On January 07 2012 15:56 cydial wrote:
Explain people who consider the context of the bible yet still have very different interpretations of it?

I reject all religious claims of God as I see them all as nothing more than interesting stories.

Personally I find more sound morality in Harry Potter than I do in the bible, but I am interested to hear what you have to say about this.


If interpretations differ WILDLY, I'd have to say that research/consideration of context wasn't done. I'd like to see an example so I could discuss this more specifically, but as I said above, typically, there is one correct interpretation. I mean think of any other ancient text, Plato/Aristotle/Pythagoras/etc. people debate what they really meant in some instances. it doesn't mean they had more than one message, people just lost the message through the generations.

To the Harry Potter comment, I tend to see morality in H.P. as well. More than the bible? I'd disagree, but H.P. is a pretty good piece of literature in terms of morality. The life of Jesus is pretty moral right? No matter how much modern Christians tend to (IMO) mess up and misrepresent him, he was a great example of morality. If your referring to a lot of Old Testament stuff, I could see where you arrive at that conclusion. Without discarding the first testament (as many Christians do), a good exegete must see what that text says to us today. The preferred reading of the Pentateuch by a lot of scholars (first five books of bible) and rest of Old Testament is a theological reading:

1. What does the text show us about God?
2. What does the text show us about man?
3. What is the world that is shown in this text? (realities of the world the characters live in)
4. What is the world imagined in the text? (because of the actions of God, what type of world does he want to exist?)
5. What does this text show us about the world we live in?
6. What world could we live in if we adopted to God's plan as outlined in the text?
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imjorman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States580 Posts
January 07 2012 07:09 GMT
#8
On January 07 2012 16:00 bITt.mAN wrote:
This is quite good and helpful/informative. The problem with most cliche' references to biblical text (Leviticus is a fun one, Revalation too, and just about anything that sounds remotely out of place in our world) is that the reference is often so weak it's prettymuch worthless. I'm too tired to find a good one, but there are many good provebs about fools in the company of fools, and what a dissaster that is. One side sticking litterally to the text without trying to understand it, the other rejecting it withouth any actual critical engagement because it's not of this age and culture; where ya gonna get with that, greater depths of insight and knowledge? Nope.

TL;DR Whenever someone (of either stance) says to you "well the Bible says [blah]" their statement is quite likely to cause more harm than good if they haven't followed the steps outlined above, because chances are they haven't really dug into it and searched throughly enough. Minimum check? It's worth a lot less if they can't cite book/chapter/verse.


Thanks mate I'm glad you liked it.
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imjorman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States580 Posts
January 07 2012 07:13 GMT
#9
On January 07 2012 16:06 bITt.mAN wrote:
imjorman I dunno if you're crafting a response, but I wanna sleep so I'll clear the plate.

vitruvia, it's innately less likely because this is mainly a .... Judaeo-Christian culture, but that's obvious. The next simple retort is "well we don't need to, what's there to gain from the surface of many books, when we can really get to grips with the true one". It's not just about how many different 'faith systems' you've looked into Sadly I couldn't give you any good analogies or insights about the religions you metion, although my Dad could; he grew up in Japan, it figures. Yet as far as my limited mind is concerned, the techniques imjorman outlines are essential to anything more than the most basic of any (holy) texts. I do hope there's at least this foundation of systematic study approach in other faiths, ye really need it. And, well, if there isin't , what does that say about faiths that do have it.....


It took me a minute to understand your post, so if I misread (or misinterpret, see what I did there ) I apologize.

I would like to think that all religions have their scholars that are dedicated to proper interpretation of the literature. Luckily for Christians, we can team up with Jewish scholars for half of our scriptures. Other religions, I'm sure to prevent perversion and heretical teachings or whatever, have scholars of their own.

I'm sure this method is easily applicable to any study of any ancient documents.
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
January 07 2012 07:22 GMT
#10
cydial, I apologize as I'm unprepared for an adequate answer to your question. It's a question of how much it's on your heart. I know for me, someone giving me a one-off answer would not have left me satisfied before I became a Christian, I was nagged by it, and the only real way to find out is to search out the answer. Pick up a book on "apologetics" if you actually care for an answer with any satisfaction to it. Hell, I've got a drawer full of 'em but I haven't read a single one myself :E I guess I could reccomend "grill a Christian" or "The Reason for God" ,,,,,

Regardless, the truth about the God I follow is revealed far more through people's lives and testimonies rather than having questions "done, solved" intellectually. Again, if you're looking for answers more than tit for tat on an internet fourm (and please allow me to say, they're just about the most important questions you're ever gonna have to decide on an answer for) seek it out, and whatever you find you'll grow intellectually, and as a person.

Lastly it'd be nice if the world were like Harry Potter, where the bad guys are bad and the good guys are pretty damn clear goodie goodies. Now here's something: you wanna know which characters I feel suck? Ginny (lol that's about it really). And the ones that are great? Sirius Black, Snape. You see, THANKFULLY the world and people aren't as dumbly cut as Ginny: Sirius is an accused murderer but he turnes out to be the closet thing Harry has to a father, Snape's all mean from day 1, even murders Dumbledore (were spoiler alerts necessairy?), but then turns out to have been acting the whole time in some wierd love-hate relationship.

Life is more complicated than Harry Potter, the most engaging and real characters are the ones that aren't perfectly clear cut, with only one interpretation. They're the ones closest to real people
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 07 2012 07:43 GMT
#11
On January 07 2012 15:46 imjorman wrote:
Biblical authors wrote to various audiences with a singular goal: to convey information about Jesus Christ and how to best follow his example.


That's not true of, um, any part of the Tanakh.
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
January 07 2012 07:54 GMT
#12
The prophetic literature are probably more interesting genre in the bible.
Although it's probably the hardest to read out of all genre, since often time you're going "what the heck is this author talking about?", the nature of the literature makes it fun.
In fact, I heard something like 26% of the bible is about prophecies, yet I feel so little of it is being read or studied by Christians.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
blah_blah
Profile Joined April 2011
346 Posts
January 07 2012 08:00 GMT
#13
Your argument about historical context is unconvincing, to put it mildly (especially given the typical Christian hatred of anything resembling 'moral relativism'). I assume that there aren't any teachings of Jesus which you would say are wrong, but are acceptable when viewed in a historical context, so why does that argument fly for Paul?

Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
January 07 2012 09:23 GMT
#14
This is actually a really nice blog, always nice to see the amount of diverse knowledge TL possesses =]

Blog section has been better than normal lately woo.
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-07 10:12:27
January 07 2012 10:08 GMT
#15
. it is a science in the respect that there is a method that is followed for interpretation.


I don't want to nitpick, but that's absolutely not the definition of a science, this word world should not be used to legitimize things that do not follow a scientific methods in my opinion. Science does not give the "right" answer, it gives you the answer that is the best at this point to time to explain and predict the result of experiments. I know that it's a simplified definition of science but I think that anything that doesn't verify this criteria at all should not be called a science.

However it doesn't mean that Biblical interpretation is worthless, I simply don't like the fact of using the word science to legitimate it. Having a method and a "know-how" does not make something a science, i assume there is a method for astrology, it doesn't make it a science. In my opinion ( as an atheist) biblical analysis is similar to the kind of analysis that is done for secular (non religious) litterature as well as philosophy, it's faith the adds a deeper meaning to what comes out of this analysis.

I must admit though that the idea that there is one "true" interpretation to the bible really bothers me. How can you explain that you can remove the parts we cannot apply to our world anymore ("historical context"), doesn't it means that the "true" interpretation of the bible changes over time? How can this interpretation be the only "true" one then if it depends on the context of the person doing the interpretation?
I'm not going to go further than that, thank you for sharing your work I read it carefully but it did not convince me at all on the validity of the approach. I'd love to discuss with someone with your background but it's not easy on a forum (^^) and unfortunately my english writing skills are not good enough to convey nuances and complex ideas, which is a big problem in this kind of discussion...

edit: i know it looks like i took the quote completly out of context, don't focus too much on it ^^
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
January 07 2012 10:53 GMT
#16
Very informative post. In your example where Paul writes that women should be submissive to men, he wasn't acting out of overt misogyny, he was merely reflecting the average views of his time and place. I agree.

The problem comes when people don't attribute that writing to Paul, a simple mortal man living in the first century Roman empire, but instead attribute it to divine, perfect omniscience. Then this happens:

good vibes only
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
January 07 2012 11:00 GMT
#17
Very informative post for those who do not know anything about the processes behind.
I also study a lot of this, in similar aproach.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
January 07 2012 11:19 GMT
#18
On January 07 2012 19:53 Meta wrote:
Very informative post. In your example where Paul writes that women should be submissive to men, he wasn't acting out of overt misogyny, he was merely reflecting the average views of his time and place. I agree.

The problem comes when people don't attribute that writing to Paul, a simple mortal man living in the first century Roman empire, but instead attribute it to divine, perfect omniscience. Then this happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCFK7e0-E7E


He has a typical biblisistic view of the bible, (state a thing simply because it is written, and not looking at the context), and I do not support it. And I do not agree on how this man in the clip states a nearly superiority over woman. That I could quote several verses against. However, if you read 1st Corinthans 11:3 & Ephesians 5:22-30. They do cover specific themes (headcovering & marriage), yet Paul states something that is law of nature. And that is something you cannot deny that Paul had a view of men has an authority over women (in the same way Christ has authority over the church, though loves the church)

While writing this, I cannot seem to get out of my mind how nerdy we are
quoting stuff on the top of our heads out of a book
If you haven't seen this collegehumor vid, you should check it out, really gets a point across
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6583358/why-religious-people-are-nerds
JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
January 07 2012 11:54 GMT
#19
Well done. So you're nt a Christian :O? (You said you were a theist - unless you meant you were a Triune-theist :p)

Only qualm was the 1 Tim bit. To be honest, Paul often cites Creation when he talks about the role of Woman and Men. So it definitely transcends culture / historical context. Knowing the context also helps... but not really in this case. It was simply disorder within church, specifically of women speaking out of turn and causing trouble in the church of Ephesus.

Once again, Well done - could include Dispensationalism and Covenantal theology if you wish, will round it up perfectly.Thanks!
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-07 13:33:16
January 07 2012 13:13 GMT
#20
On January 07 2012 15:46 imjorman wrote:
Biblical authors wrote to various audiences with a singular goal: to convey information about Jesus Christ and how to best follow his example.


Subjective much? Claiming that makes you just another misty-eyed religious guy. Obviously biblical authors did not write about Jesus Christ in the first place. Long before the bible, people passed on moral stories by mouth. Why? Because nobody was able to read. After hundreds of years, those moral stories ( with no religious aspect in them ) were used by biblical authors as a foundation. On this foundation they began writing down those stories, but overlaying religious aspects. All those stories were collected in a book, which people call the bible nowadays. So, if you, as you said, read alot about this topic, would have to know that it's not about Jesus Christ at all. It's all about conveying the morals. the lifestyle and the relations between people, to show them how to life a good and honest life. Well after that the religious fanatics came to the conclusion that they just aswell could exploit people that believed (taxes etc.) and kill the people that did not believe.

So, you see: The bible and it's stories are really old moral stories that got ' raped ' by biblical authors to fit them into their believes. Jesus Christ is just the imaginary collection of all these morals and not the 'main part' of the bible.

e: So I read some more in your post:


Narrative: the most basic type of genre. These pieces of literature were simply stories. Think of the life of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) and the acts of the Disciples (Acts). These are basic narratives that cover a specific story (life, death, ressurection, subsequent ministries). You can read this just like you would a story. No hidden meanings, just a recounting of the events as they occured.


This is a joke right? You are really thinking, that Matthew, or anybody else for that matter, just wrote down 'facts' that got conveyed atleast 50 years by mouth before he even heard of them? Of course there are hidden meanings. Do you really believe that everything in the life of Jesus Christ, as it is written in the bible is true? Jesus making the blind guy sighted again? LOL, there are obviously tons of hidden intentions and meanings. Jesus survived 40 days of fasting in the desert?
Herod killing thousands of babies because he is afraid of a ' THE GREAT KING OF THE JEWS ' ? lol. Do I need to give more examples?


All of my writing above assumes accuracy and authenticity of biblical text. Because if it wasn't historically accurate, I wouldn't bother interpreting it. Once again, totally open to talking.


What the fuck. Sorry I'm no native english speaker, but do you say, that you assume that everything in the bible is historically accurate and authentical? In other words, do you think, everything in the bible happened in reality like it was written in the bible?
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