EPTTeen mom is my multitasking hero - Page 2
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StarStruck
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askTeivospy
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Nuf
Denmark145 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
Besides that, pro mom. <3 | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
It's just like nature - get between a moose/bear and its babies and you are in for trouble. | ||
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ZenobiaTalon
Canada35 Posts
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Meth
Canada396 Posts
In all seriousness, she handled herself very well. | ||
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her. Really? The dispatcher's purpose is to assist the caller, right? But what a shitty help is that? She asks if its ok to kill the intruder if he comes into the house. The dispatcher has to give a clear answer in my opinion. Otherwise it's a failure to render assistence. If the woman came to the conclusion that she wasn't allowed to shoot him, because the dispatcher did not help her, she would have died. | ||
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Hekisui
195 Posts
I don't understand why the baby is part of the story. Is it common in the US for babies to be stolen? I don't see why she is a hero. She is a double victim if you ask me. The burglars and the system that promotes killing for no good reason just because it is legal. I have seen this debate before and I find it hard to believe so many immoral people exist that would condone outright killing of unarmed people. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On January 05 2012 06:28 Xiron wrote: Really? The dispatcher's purpose is to assist the caller, right? But what a shitty help is that? She asks if its ok to kill the intruder if he comes into the house. The dispatcher has to give a clear answer in my opinion. Otherwise it's a failure to render assistence. If the woman came to the conclusion that she wasn't allowed to shoot him, because the dispatcher did not help her, she would have died. The decision to use force is a subjective call that the dispatcher can't really make since they're not there and can't understand all the details of the situation. She said the right thing imo - if you feel threatened for yourself or your baby, defend yourself. | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
On January 05 2012 06:28 Xiron wrote: Really? The dispatcher's purpose is to assist the caller, right? But what a shitty help is that? She asks if its ok to kill the intruder if he comes into the house. The dispatcher has to give a clear answer in my opinion. Otherwise it's a failure to render assistence. If the woman came to the conclusion that she wasn't allowed to shoot him, because the dispatcher did not help her, she would have died. Uh, as far as I can tell that's exactly the right thing for the dispatcher to say. "Do what you have to do to protect your baby." If you have to shoot someone to protect your baby, do it. "Do what you have to do" is perfectly clear, it's not as though she said "I can't tell you that you can do that, just protect yourself." What you're suggesting is that the dispatcher basically tell somebody over the phone "Yes, shoot them." That doesn't fly. Edit: On January 05 2012 06:35 Hekisui wrote: Bizarre. In any other civilized country she would go to jail for this and the child would grow up without parents. I don't understand why the baby is part of the story. Is it common in the US for babies to be stolen? I don't see why she is a hero. She is a double victim if you ask me. The burglars and the system that promotes killing for no good reason just because it is legal. I have seen this debate before and I find it hard to believe so many immoral people exist that would condone outright killing of unarmed people. They were armed. They broke into her house brandishing a big ass hunting knife. How else are you supposed to defend yourself than with force? | ||
Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On January 05 2012 06:35 Hekisui wrote: Bizarre. In any other civilized country she would go to jail for this and the child would grow up without parents. I don't understand why the baby is part of the story. Is it common in the US for babies to be stolen? I don't see why she is a hero. She is a double victim if you ask me. The burglars and the system that promotes killing for no good reason just because it is legal. I have seen this debate before and I find it hard to believe so many immoral people exist that would condone outright killing of unarmed people. Did you even fucking read the article? The guy was armed with a 12-inch hunting knife. You may be trusting of men who break into your house brandishing knives, but I sure as hell would not be, nor would anyone with half a brain. | ||
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Horrde
Canada302 Posts
The dispatcher is a messenger. There's escalations to what they can say, but a black and white clear answer? Co mon, get real. "For the love of god, shoot him dead now!" or "Whatever you do, don't shoot him!" Either way you spin it, both sentences will end up having the dispatcher pointing fingers at him/her. They're not dear abby, or Dr. Phil, or any advice giver. The answer given was very appropriate for such an emergency situation. And please save the "Otherwise it's a failure to render assistence." Like you even know what you're talking about. Please think about your posts in the future. | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
I am surprised she did not just call a neighbor. If this sort of thing happened in my neighborhood you would have a half dozen men with guns ready within a few minutes (depending on time of day and who is home etc.) | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 05 2012 03:55 Necosarius wrote: Sad and amazing at the same time. She would be a bad ass movie character! Sarah Connor! On January 05 2012 06:28 Xiron wrote: Really? The dispatcher's purpose is to assist the caller, right? But what a shitty help is that? She asks if its ok to kill the intruder if he comes into the house. The dispatcher has to give a clear answer in my opinion. Otherwise it's a failure to render assistence. If the woman came to the conclusion that she wasn't allowed to shoot him, because the dispatcher did not help her, she would have died. I felt that the dispatcher's response was well-versed. She gave clear advice to that woman without impliciting herself in anything. | ||
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Tnerb
United States141 Posts
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actionbastrd
Congo598 Posts
On January 05 2012 06:35 Hekisui wrote: Bizarre. In any other civilized country she would go to jail for this and the child would grow up without parents. I don't understand why the baby is part of the story. Is it common in the US for babies to be stolen? I don't see why she is a hero. She is a double victim if you ask me. The burglars and the system that promotes killing for no good reason just because it is legal. I have seen this debate before and I find it hard to believe so many immoral people exist that would condone outright killing of unarmed people. Did you read it? What the hell would you do if someone broke into your house and attacked you with a 12 inch hunting knife? (Ie - they weren't unarmed) Sit there and go, well im so fucking civilized, just stab me. It would be morally wrong for me to protect myself even tho i have a gun in my pocket. .... You cant be serious.... I hope you never are in your home when someone breaks in with a deadly weapon because clearly you wouldn't do anything to stop yourself from getting killed. gl hf gg And speaking of other civilized country's, didnt the UK just recently say its okay to kill someone in your home with a knife if they are intruding? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=238778 --; what she did was totally justified and she seemed to be a premeditated target. You dont go breaking into other peoples homes and not expect to get punished to the fullest extent. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On January 05 2012 06:35 Hekisui wrote: Bizarre. In any other civilized country she would go to jail for this and the child would grow up without parents. I don't understand why the baby is part of the story. Is it common in the US for babies to be stolen? I don't see why she is a hero. She is a double victim if you ask me. The burglars and the system that promotes killing for no good reason just because it is legal. I have seen this debate before and I find it hard to believe so many immoral people exist that would condone outright killing of unarmed people. FREEZE! OR I'LL... sue you? If that's what being civilized means, I don't want to be civilized. | ||
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qqK
Germany282 Posts
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