Good story, pretty sure I wouldn't have lasted having a baby at 18 let alone being attacked with a child to look after at the same time. I wish this said WHY these guys were trying to get in her house. Were they there to steal or to specifically attack her?

Meth

Canada396 Posts

January 04 2012 21:12 GMT

#27

Intense. I wonder what her peak APM was.

In all seriousness, she handled herself very well.

Mawi

Sweden4365 Posts

January 04 2012 21:26 GMT

#28

Wow pretty balsy but i only got a question nothing happend to the baby right? id imagne that blast shot would not be good for its ears but then again good for her for actually having the guts to protect her baby that much.

Xiron

Germany1233 Posts

January 04 2012 21:28 GMT

#29

"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her.

Really? The dispatcher's purpose is to assist the caller, right? But what a shitty help is that? She asks if its ok to kill the intruder if he comes into the house. The dispatcher has to give a clear answer in my opinion.
Otherwise it's a failure to render assistence. If the woman came to the conclusion that she wasn't allowed to shoot him, because the dispatcher did not help her, she would have died.

Hekisui

195 Posts

January 04 2012 21:35 GMT

#30

Bizarre. In any other civilized country she would go to jail for this and the child would grow up without parents.

I don't understand why the baby is part of the story. Is it common in the US for babies to be stolen?

I don't see why she is a hero. She is a double victim if you ask me. The burglars and the system that promotes killing for no good reason just because it is legal.

I have seen this debate before and I find it hard to believe so many immoral people exist that would condone outright killing of unarmed people.

Myles

United States5162 Posts

January 04 2012 21:35 GMT

#31

On January 05 2012 06:28 Xiron wrote:

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The decision to use force is a subjective call that the dispatcher can't really make since they're not there and can't understand all the details of the situation. She said the right thing imo - if you feel threatened for yourself or your baby, defend yourself.

-Kaiser-

Canada932 Posts

January 04 2012 21:37 GMT

#32

On January 05 2012 06:28 Xiron wrote:

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Uh, as far as I can tell that's exactly the right thing for the dispatcher to say. "Do what you have to do to protect your baby." If you have to shoot someone to protect your baby, do it. "Do what you have to do" is perfectly clear, it's not as though she said "I can't tell you that you can do that, just protect yourself."

What you're suggesting is that the dispatcher basically tell somebody over the phone "Yes, shoot them." That doesn't fly.

Edit:

On January 05 2012 06:35 Hekisui wrote:
Bizarre. In any other civilized country she would go to jail for this and the child would grow up without parents.

I don't understand why the baby is part of the story. Is it common in the US for babies to be stolen?

I don't see why she is a hero. She is a double victim if you ask me. The burglars and the system that promotes killing for no good reason just because it is legal.

I have seen this debate before and I find it hard to believe so many immoral people exist that would condone outright killing of unarmed people.

They were armed. They broke into her house brandishing a big ass hunting knife. How else are you supposed to defend yourself than with force?

Kiett

United States7639 Posts

January 04 2012 21:42 GMT

#33

Did you even fucking read the article? The guy was armed with a 12-inch hunting knife. You may be trusting of men who break into your house brandishing knives, but I sure as hell would not be, nor would anyone with half a brain.

Horrde

Canada302 Posts

January 04 2012 21:49 GMT

#34

Xiron, you can't be serious....

The dispatcher is a messenger. There's escalations to what they can say, but a black and white clear answer? Co mon, get real. "For the love of god, shoot him dead now!" or "Whatever you do, don't shoot him!"

Either way you spin it, both sentences will end up having the dispatcher pointing fingers at him/her. They're not dear abby, or Dr. Phil, or any advice giver. The answer given was very appropriate for such an emergency situation.

And please save the "Otherwise it's a failure to render assistence." Like you even know what you're talking about.

Please think about your posts in the future.

meadbert

United States681 Posts

January 04 2012 21:56 GMT

#35

So city folks do not understand how rural, rural can be. The fact of the matter is in many areas it can take police more than 20 minutes to respond to 911 calls which is why it is important for folks to be able to defend themselves.

I am surprised she did not just call a neighbor. If this sort of thing happened in my neighborhood you would have a half dozen men with guns ready within a few minutes (depending on time of day and who is home etc.)

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

January 04 2012 21:56 GMT

#36

On January 05 2012 03:55 Necosarius wrote:
Sad and amazing at the same time. She would be a bad ass movie character!

Sarah Connor!

On January 05 2012 06:28 Xiron wrote:

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I felt that the dispatcher's response was well-versed. She gave clear advice to that woman without impliciting herself in anything.

Tnerb

United States141 Posts

January 04 2012 21:57 GMT

#37

Good thing she isn't one of those "gun control" freaks (like that Hekisui retard above) or she and her baby would be dead or worse. The fact is that when you need the police chances are they are more than 5 minutes away. A hell of a lot can happen in 5 minutes so it is great to see this brave young woman resist the ridiculous amount of gun control propaganda and defend herself and her child.

actionbastrd

Congo598 Posts

January 04 2012 22:03 GMT

#38

Did you read it? What the hell would you do if someone broke into your house and attacked you with a 12 inch hunting knife? (Ie - they weren't unarmed) Sit there and go, well im so fucking civilized, just stab me. It would be morally wrong for me to protect myself even tho i have a gun in my pocket.

.... You cant be serious.... I hope you never are in your home when someone breaks in with a deadly weapon because clearly you wouldn't do anything to stop yourself from getting killed. gl hf gg

And speaking of other civilized country's, didnt the UK just recently say its okay to kill someone in your home with a knife if they are intruding?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=238778

--; what she did was totally justified and she seemed to be a premeditated target. You dont go breaking into other peoples homes and not expect to get punished to the fullest extent.