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decornerath
18 Posts
"With 15 OC, you get faster MULEs, but you have 5 seconds of idle CC time. With 16 OC, your MULEs come out a bit slower, but your CC has constant production. I've been wanting to actually test which is better for a long time, but haven't done so until now." You pretty much point it out right there . 5 seconds of idle cc time is the same as having 1 worker not getting minerals for 5 seconds. Which is probably the entire difference between the 2 graphs. | ||
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Kid-Fox
Canada400 Posts
this makes me feel better for always going 16oc ^__^ | ||
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Aui_2000
Canada435 Posts
On December 31 2011 17:19 Mip wrote: *Puts on statistician hat* What methods did you use? Did you get a bot to replicate the results over and over? Did you do the build yourself over and over? Did you do it with and without optimal mining? I see the graphs, but I don't know what information produced the graphs, you didn't say how you got it or why I should trust it to hold up when I do it. There is more I could say, but I'm not convinced that this debate is well settled based on these graphs with the accompanying explanation. There should be more information describing why your conclusion is valid based on your data gathering methods because I'm not convinced it's thoroughly analyzed. Especially not to the point to say unilaterally that 16OC is the best and should be the standard. <3 Mip (MS Statistics) mule = constant income while building scvs = steadily growing 15 oc = cut scvs for earlier mule 16 oc = no scv cut Therefore, 16 oc gets every scv slightly earlier than 15 oc while catching up on mule income (minus the whatever less energy it gets) immediately. Does that explanation make sense? You don't really even need testing for this one outside of whether 15 oc fits some builds better because they need the first mule trip. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
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Eben
United States769 Posts
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SimKe
Slovenia1 Post
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InPlainSight
New Zealand40 Posts
Using the start time of the finishing of the 15th SCV, the 16 Orbital will have an economical advantage until t + 40 seconds. Then from t + 40 to t + 89 seconds the 15 Orbital will be ahead. From there on however the 16 Orbital will take an economic lead for the rest of the game. The reason the 16 Orbitals effect takes so long to kick in is that the early mule actually makes up minerals that surpases the gathering of the early 16th scv - which has been mining the entire time - in the 12 seconds before the other orbital is finished. It is not until around the time of the production of the 18th SCV from the 16 Orbital build until the effect of the delay in production actual starts to show. Note: I counted mule income as 4 x SCV income for sake of these calculations. | ||
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DD.Beaver
Netherlands29 Posts
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EG.Thorzain
Sweden164 Posts
Correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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emart835
United States24 Posts
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greedyFarmer
United Kingdom21 Posts
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iStarKraft
United Kingdom79 Posts
On December 31 2011 20:24 DD.Beaver wrote: Everyone keeps saying 16 OC, but isnt it technically a 17 OC since the marine starts before the orbital ? This is the thing I've been wondering! <3333333 Whenever I try testing out getting an OC with or without SCV cut it also means getting the marine before or after your OC, meaning the orbital falls on either 16 or 17 supply. Unless of course you choose to not build a marine until you have made your OC, which just seems silly, as there is no reason not to. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Interesting find nonetheless. Gahhhh someone beat me to it. | ||
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
 It's finally been answered. | ||
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Tapppi
Finland70 Posts
People need to understand this before going gung-ho about how everyone should use 16OC.. And this as stated in comments, is without all the other early game trickery anyways. Tapppi | ||
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vBr
Sweden193 Posts
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Grunknisse
Germany11 Posts
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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Calasmere
United Kingdom161 Posts
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