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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
December 30 2011 06:22 GMT
#1
So yeah, I've been watching Artosis' stream alot lately, and his habit of checking the replay after the game and analyzing it has spread to me. But really, I don't now what to look for, I'm a Diamond EU zerg that plays really good sometimes, and other times I don't.
I was wondering what you generally look for in a replay when you are trying to analyze it and improve your play?

And please, don't link me to Day9 dailies becuase I've watched alot of them, maybe all of the SC2 ones up to 310 or smth.

Yes, there is/was a thread about this, but it was really old and I don't know what level those guys were talking about, so sorry if this is not a "worthy" post.

If you answer you are awesome

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mache
Profile Joined December 2011
47 Posts
December 30 2011 06:46 GMT
#2
umm generally when I try to analyze my replays Im looking for 1) My injects 2) My scouting activity and map control 3) Unit composition (How it works against hes composition)


I am not that high level so there is no need to have special time for improving strategys. I think you know yourself what to look in your replay, just dont overthink about anything.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
December 30 2011 06:59 GMT
#3
Rather than point out every mistake you did try to find: 1. the points in the game when you are ahead, in economy or army or whatever, knowing when you are ahead and not are crucial to making correct decisions! Hopefully you can remember when you are in similar positions in games and be able to capitalize better on it. 2. mistakes you make that are easiest to correct, never do more than 1 or maybe two from a game and fix those, nobody ever plays a perfect game so if you point out every little thing you could have done better your focus will be too spread out and you will still not fix the big ones
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
December 30 2011 07:43 GMT
#4
Ah, well when I analyze replays I go through a process that I came up with:
1.) go over the replay on x4(try to never slow it down or pay attention to minute details, because in this stage we are only looking for large, general mistakes), pay attention to how many workers you have, how well you are spending your money, and how you move your army around. A lot of the time if you find any major mistakes here, they are the ones that likely contributed to your loss the most.
2.) The purpose of stage one is to determine if your loss was the result of bad mechanics, but mechanics are not always the issue, the second highest reason for losses is bad decision making (at least in my opinion)--go to any point in the game that you suspect contributed to your loss and look at it more closely. One of these moments could be as simple as you making a silly mistake like move commanding your mutas into a batch of marines you didn't see and losing too many. Or something more complicated (for example I lost a game because a Zerg counter attacked a base and I lost more probes then I had suspected, so my macro fell behind and I slowly lost the game from there).
3.) if you are still confused on why you lost at this point, you will need to be more thorough in your analysis. Start by scrutinizing your opening, and the first ten or so minutes of the game--then go and look at every single interaction between you and your opponent, try your best to mark down what you and your opponent had going in, and what you and your opponent had going out; and what things occurred because of that interaction (for example, in a game I did a warp prism drop against a zerg players third, and was able to force 30 lings, sadly I could have killed the hatchery but I made the mistake of fighting the Zerglings rather than focusing the hatch, which I could have killed if I did, this of course is and easy mistake to spot and rectify)
4.) if at this point you still are not sure why you lost; open Notepad and start to draft a TL strategy forum post for help--write down all of the things you spotted while doing the above steps--most of the time you may find that while writing about the match and all of the things in step 1-3, you realize your mistake and the problem in your play, thus you won't even have to post it! You'd be surprised at how effective writing down all that information and your own personal assessment can clear things up.

Hope this helps!
This is the first time I've written this process down so I hope it is clear.
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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
December 30 2011 11:33 GMT
#5
On December 30 2011 16:43 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
Ah, well when I analyze replays I go through a process that I came up with:
1.) go over the replay on x4(try to never slow it down or pay attention to minute details, because in this stage we are only looking for large, general mistakes), pay attention to how many workers you have, how well you are spending your money, and how you move your army around. A lot of the time if you find any major mistakes here, they are the ones that likely contributed to your loss the most.
2.) The purpose of stage one is to determine if your loss was the result of bad mechanics, but mechanics are not always the issue, the second highest reason for losses is bad decision making (at least in my opinion)--go to any point in the game that you suspect contributed to your loss and look at it more closely. One of these moments could be as simple as you making a silly mistake like move commanding your mutas into a batch of marines you didn't see and losing too many. Or something more complicated (for example I lost a game because a Zerg counter attacked a base and I lost more probes then I had suspected, so my macro fell behind and I slowly lost the game from there).
3.) if you are still confused on why you lost at this point, you will need to be more thorough in your analysis. Start by scrutinizing your opening, and the first ten or so minutes of the game--then go and look at every single interaction between you and your opponent, try your best to mark down what you and your opponent had going in, and what you and your opponent had going out; and what things occurred because of that interaction (for example, in a game I did a warp prism drop against a zerg players third, and was able to force 30 lings, sadly I could have killed the hatchery but I made the mistake of fighting the Zerglings rather than focusing the hatch, which I could have killed if I did, this of course is and easy mistake to spot and rectify)
4.) if at this point you still are not sure why you lost; open Notepad and start to draft a TL strategy forum post for help--write down all of the things you spotted while doing the above steps--most of the time you may find that while writing about the match and all of the things in step 1-3, you realize your mistake and the problem in your play, thus you won't even have to post it! You'd be surprised at how effective writing down all that information and your own personal assessment can clear things up.

Hope this helps!
This is the first time I've written this process down so I hope it is clear.

Sounds like a very good way to go about it IMO, will try it for sure, thanks :D
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Humanfails
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 15:30:18
December 30 2011 15:25 GMT
#6
It also helps (and is confidence boosting) to watch replays where you won. Seeing what you did wrong is only half the story. Scientists attempt to recreate from successes, not failures. See what works in a replay, and analyze why. You can't get to the truth with only one side of the story. If you accidentally succeed, you've got a shortcut ticket to success in that replay. If you fail, then look at what not to do, and then fail again , and repeat ad nauseum, you get to the "right" solution a lot slower. Always check your successes. They'll tell you whats good.

As an additional note. New players should take replay saves from the moment they start bronze to the moment they hit master/GM. The effect of seeing yourself and what you used to do vs what you do now can be amazing. Luckily even though I wiped all my saves I have some from lower leagues on the net somewhere.

Just remember to put a time/date stamp on your replays every time you do it.
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
December 30 2011 16:28 GMT
#7
On December 30 2011 16:43 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
Ah, well when I analyze replays I go through a process that I came up with:
1.) go over the replay on x4(try to never slow it down or pay attention to minute details, because in this stage we are only looking for large, general mistakes), pay attention to how many workers you have, how well you are spending your money, and how you move your army around. A lot of the time if you find any major mistakes here, they are the ones that likely contributed to your loss the most.
2.) The purpose of stage one is to determine if your loss was the result of bad mechanics, but mechanics are not always the issue, the second highest reason for losses is bad decision making (at least in my opinion)--go to any point in the game that you suspect contributed to your loss and look at it more closely. One of these moments could be as simple as you making a silly mistake like move commanding your mutas into a batch of marines you didn't see and losing too many. Or something more complicated (for example I lost a game because a Zerg counter attacked a base and I lost more probes then I had suspected, so my macro fell behind and I slowly lost the game from there).
3.) if you are still confused on why you lost at this point, you will need to be more thorough in your analysis. Start by scrutinizing your opening, and the first ten or so minutes of the game--then go and look at every single interaction between you and your opponent, try your best to mark down what you and your opponent had going in, and what you and your opponent had going out; and what things occurred because of that interaction (for example, in a game I did a warp prism drop against a zerg players third, and was able to force 30 lings, sadly I could have killed the hatchery but I made the mistake of fighting the Zerglings rather than focusing the hatch, which I could have killed if I did, this of course is and easy mistake to spot and rectify)
4.) if at this point you still are not sure why you lost; open Notepad and start to draft a TL strategy forum post for help--write down all of the things you spotted while doing the above steps--most of the time you may find that while writing about the match and all of the things in step 1-3, you realize your mistake and the problem in your play, thus you won't even have to post it! You'd be surprised at how effective writing down all that information and your own personal assessment can clear things up.

Hope this helps!
This is the first time I've written this process down so I hope it is clear.



On December 31 2011 00:25 Humanfails wrote:
It also helps (and is confidence boosting) to watch replays where you won. Seeing what you did wrong is only half the story. Scientists attempt to recreate from successes, not failures. See what works in a replay, and analyze why. You can't get to the truth with only one side of the story. If you accidentally succeed, you've got a shortcut ticket to success in that replay. If you fail, then look at what not to do, and then fail again , and repeat ad nauseum, you get to the "right" solution a lot slower. Always check your successes. They'll tell you whats good.

As an additional note. New players should take replay saves from the moment they start bronze to the moment they hit master/GM. The effect of seeing yourself and what you used to do vs what you do now can be amazing. Luckily even though I wiped all my saves I have some from lower leagues on the net somewhere.

Just remember to put a time/date stamp on your replays every time you do it.


Absolutely fantastic set of suggestions! Wow, thanks! I never really analyze my replays because I never honestly knew what to look for. I'm going to start looking at them now =)
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
December 30 2011 16:50 GMT
#8
I usually pick out one thing I did wrong and only one or two things (usually big things) and work on only those. I feel like if I scrutinize everything in my play and try and fix all my mistakes at once I end up forgetting a lot of things as time goes on. I'd rather get really really good at one thing at a time. For example, if I lose horrendously to drops in PvT I'll spend a week or two only focusing on mini-map awareness and stalker micro vs. drops. Then, once those weeks are over I move on to the next thing and I automatically have stalkers waiting for drops.

It's actually really funny to watch very old replays of myself and now, the core strategies are the same but I have made so many adaptations when I play now that it's not even conscious. The reason I like this method is because there are way too many things I do need to be conscious about like responding to build orders, taking map control, when it's safe to take expansions that I can't keep reminding myself "watch out for drops. watch out for drops, watch out for drops" Just like I don't have to keep telling myself to not get supply blocked and I only need to glance at the upper right corner and instinctively know whether to add pylons or not, there are a lot of things you should internalize and I feel working on one thing at a time until it's automatic is the best way to go about it.
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