• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:33
CEST 23:33
KST 06:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall12HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed4Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll2Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension1Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
Who will win EWC 2025? The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Starcraft in widescreen BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 664 users

Some Poems

Blogs > SteemdRIce
Post a Reply
SteemdRIce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia44 Posts
December 17 2011 10:49 GMT
#1
Just a couple that I slapped together recently, not particularly good but I figured I'd put them somewhere

The Measure of a Man
What is the measure of a man?
Is it what he does when safe, unobserved in the comfort of his hearth?
No. All men may do as they will, unopposed in the safety of their home
but that is not the measure of a man

What is the measure of a man?
What one may do when knowing that they will never be caught?
The moral fiber, perhaps will be tested there. But that is not
the measure of a man.

What is the measure of a man?
What he does under adversity, and chaos? When all order is gone
and all he may rely on is the self, the inner peace? Order may make
cowards lions, and chaos may make brave men
cowards.

The measure of a man may be found
in a hundred battlefields
and a hundred thousand graves

My Fortress of Solitude
Everywhere I turn I see people walk in twos
And then I know the reason why I prefer
My Sanctuary from the world, my Fortress of
Solitude.

The outside reveals a dark side of me
When I see those men and women, so happy, so content
It awakens deep down within my core, suppressed
A twinge of jealousy which
Becomes a twinge of sadness when it reaches the top

But still I know deep down that I felt one of the seven
At the happiness of others, envy
And so I keep inside all day, alone
Isolated.

Inside my little fortress, which I lord over
Like a tyrant king of yore, I am in control here
Over all except myself
And my emotions, suppressed I hope
Are raw, and clear here.

Here I have my window to the outside
My filtered lens through which I peer
Into the world, and learn of its people
Its politics, its leaders, its ways of life

A class may be taught here, about
Who controls the world
Who leads the world
A class may be taught here, about
The depths of sadness
And the heights of happiness

Most of all though, my Fortress of Solitude
Is a place to think
To feel
To be
Alone
And Alive

Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
December 17 2011 11:45 GMT
#2
yay poetry! seem to be alot of it here recently.

would you like some feedback, btw?
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
SteemdRIce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia44 Posts
December 17 2011 12:10 GMT
#3
Yes, I would love some feedback :D
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
December 17 2011 13:40 GMT
#4
kk! fair warning though, i'm not going to tell you what you did right, i'm going to tell you what i feel you can improve, so expect zero compliments. (also sorry if this took a while, GSL finals and all)

mmk. I'll avoid subject matte for the most part, cept that i feel the first one has potential, and the second one is umm a very common topic, i guess.

In terms of writing style, you fall into the trap of trying to sound poetic a couple times. Words like hearth and yore, etc.

The most glaring issue overall though, is run on sentences. Yes it's poetry, and no you don't need correct grammar and punctuation, but the style you're writing in is very nearly prose, so i would make sure your phrases make sense and don't trip over each other. Multiple times you have rolling dependent clauses. the style you're writing in requires it to be read like prose, so don't be afraid to use periods, and pull out the semicolon if necessary. Comprehension is the first most important thing in any writing. I can't react to what you're saying if I don't know what you're trying to say in the first place. Clarity clarity clarity. I know you know what you mean, but does the reader? (in my experience, this problem is fixed with fresh look editing, ie locking the poem away for a week or two before any editing). Try cutting every conjunction from your poems. Every single one. You might need to put some back in, but often you'll find that they serve no purpose.

"Use absolutely no word which does not contribute to the presentation"

For the first poem, you could strengthen the message by removing a lot of the following words: may, and, then, perhaps, maybe. which sounds better, "Order may make cowards lions, and chaos may make brave men cowards." -or- "Order turns cowards to lions, and chaos cowards of brave men." This is poetry, this is your opinion, this is your thought. Do not leave it open for interpretation, do not sissy foot. Be forceful with your words. Sometimes a short sentence is better than a long one. There is power in brevity, whimsy in drawn out elaborations. Which do you want your first poem to be? (my answer would be forceful

and finally, one thing which i myself still have trouble with. Using borrowed phrases. ie, your use of lion for bravery. Whenever a phrase comes too easily, you're usually borrowing language. "within my core," "depths of sadness," are common phrases. try to avoid them.

also, Try to show rather than tell. The first stanza in your second poem does this well. It conveys relatable isolation in an experience you pointed out. The best way to convey emotion/mentality is through physical means.

useful links:
http://www.hamilton.edu/documents//nesbitt-johnston-writing-center/SDSPosters8.5x11.pdf

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/pound/retrospect.htm

lastly, i'll leave you with this.
"Pay no attention to the criticism of men who have never themselves written a notable work"
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
ohsea.toc
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Australia344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 14:06:26
December 17 2011 14:05 GMT
#5
On December 17 2011 22:40 Fishgle wrote:
kk! fair warning though, i'm not going to tell you what you did right, i'm going to tell you what i feel you can improve, so expect zero compliments. (also sorry if this took a while, GSL finals and all)

mmk. I'll avoid subject matte for the most part, cept that i feel the first one has potential, and the second one is umm a very common topic, i guess.

In terms of writing style, you fall into the trap of trying to sound poetic a couple times. Words like hearth and yore, etc.

The most glaring issue overall though, is run on sentences. Yes it's poetry, and no you don't need correct grammar and punctuation, but the style you're writing in is very nearly prose, so i would make sure your phrases make sense and don't trip over each other. Multiple times you have rolling dependent clauses. the style you're writing in requires it to be read like prose, so don't be afraid to use periods, and pull out the semicolon if necessary. Comprehension is the first most important thing in any writing. I can't react to what you're saying if I don't know what you're trying to say in the first place. Clarity clarity clarity. I know you know what you mean, but does the reader? (in my experience, this problem is fixed with fresh look editing, ie locking the poem away for a week or two before any editing). Try cutting every conjunction from your poems. Every single one. You might need to put some back in, but often you'll find that they serve no purpose.

"Use absolutely no word which does not contribute to the presentation"

For the first poem, you could strengthen the message by removing a lot of the following words: may, and, then, perhaps, maybe. which sounds better, "Order may make cowards lions, and chaos may make brave men cowards." -or- "Order turns cowards to lions, and chaos cowards of brave men." This is poetry, this is your opinion, this is your thought. Do not leave it open for interpretation, do not sissy foot. Be forceful with your words. Sometimes a short sentence is better than a long one. There is power in brevity, whimsy in drawn out elaborations. Which do you want your first poem to be? (my answer would be forceful

and finally, one thing which i myself still have trouble with. Using borrowed phrases. ie, your use of lion for bravery. Whenever a phrase comes too easily, you're usually borrowing language. "within my core," "depths of sadness," are common phrases. try to avoid them.

also, Try to show rather than tell. The first stanza in your second poem does this well. It conveys relatable isolation in an experience you pointed out. The best way to convey emotion/mentality is through physical means.

useful links:
http://www.hamilton.edu/documents//nesbitt-johnston-writing-center/SDSPosters8.5x11.pdf

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/pound/retrospect.htm

lastly, i'll leave you with this.
"Pay no attention to the criticism of men who have never themselves written a notable work"


I see the chryselephantine cage spits forth another frothing adjutant,
Welcome O Pound.

Really sound advice over all, particularly the mention of borrowed phrases. Less so the call to 'pay no attention to the criticism of men who have never themselves written a notable work'. Perhaps something is lost in the quoting of this advice as advice.

I would like to read more of your work Steemd, lay it on thick my friend. Here you have an open mind and ear.

Clip, clop, Camelot.
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 17 2011 15:03 GMT
#6
Poetry is always good!

I sometimes not even understand what it means, but I feel it like a song, and I know its beautiful.
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 17:59:39
December 17 2011 17:59 GMT
#7
I deeply enjoyed reading "The Measure of a Man." Especially "Order may make cowards lions, and chaos may make brave men cowards."

Great stuff man, and great feedback from Fishgle, I very much agree with the "show instead of tell" bit of it, I remember my college teachers heaping that on quite a bit.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 17 2011 21:51 GMT
#8
the measure of the man
lie beneath his pants
with a flex it stands
understand?

;p
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
SteemdRIce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia44 Posts
December 17 2011 23:19 GMT
#9
On December 17 2011 22:40 Fishgle wrote:
kk! fair warning though, i'm not going to tell you what you did right, i'm going to tell you what i feel you can improve, so expect zero compliments. (also sorry if this took a while, GSL finals and all)

mmk. I'll avoid subject matte for the most part, cept that i feel the first one has potential, and the second one is umm a very common topic, i guess.

In terms of writing style, you fall into the trap of trying to sound poetic a couple times. Words like hearth and yore, etc.

The most glaring issue overall though, is run on sentences. Yes it's poetry, and no you don't need correct grammar and punctuation, but the style you're writing in is very nearly prose, so i would make sure your phrases make sense and don't trip over each other. Multiple times you have rolling dependent clauses. the style you're writing in requires it to be read like prose, so don't be afraid to use periods, and pull out the semicolon if necessary. Comprehension is the first most important thing in any writing. I can't react to what you're saying if I don't know what you're trying to say in the first place. Clarity clarity clarity. I know you know what you mean, but does the reader? (in my experience, this problem is fixed with fresh look editing, ie locking the poem away for a week or two before any editing). Try cutting every conjunction from your poems. Every single one. You might need to put some back in, but often you'll find that they serve no purpose.

"Use absolutely no word which does not contribute to the presentation"

For the first poem, you could strengthen the message by removing a lot of the following words: may, and, then, perhaps, maybe. which sounds better, "Order may make cowards lions, and chaos may make brave men cowards." -or- "Order turns cowards to lions, and chaos cowards of brave men." This is poetry, this is your opinion, this is your thought. Do not leave it open for interpretation, do not sissy foot. Be forceful with your words. Sometimes a short sentence is better than a long one. There is power in brevity, whimsy in drawn out elaborations. Which do you want your first poem to be? (my answer would be forceful

and finally, one thing which i myself still have trouble with. Using borrowed phrases. ie, your use of lion for bravery. Whenever a phrase comes too easily, you're usually borrowing language. "within my core," "depths of sadness," are common phrases. try to avoid them.

also, Try to show rather than tell. The first stanza in your second poem does this well. It conveys relatable isolation in an experience you pointed out. The best way to convey emotion/mentality is through physical means.

useful links:
http://www.hamilton.edu/documents//nesbitt-johnston-writing-center/SDSPosters8.5x11.pdf

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/pound/retrospect.htm

lastly, i'll leave you with this.
"Pay no attention to the criticism of men who have never themselves written a notable work"


Thanks! I've been doing a lit course for the past two years so I thought I'd try my hand. This is a lot of good advice, and thanks for the links as well.

And I agree with the above poster, the last quote has nothing to do in that awesomely written critism :D
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 27m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 856
ZombieGrub130
Nathanias 103
JuggernautJason86
UpATreeSC 83
ProTech64
Livibee 47
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 546
firebathero 335
sas.Sziky 77
IntoTheRainbow 8
Dota 2
syndereN441
NeuroSwarm43
League of Legends
Grubby5258
Counter-Strike
fl0m1589
Stewie2K771
Foxcn386
Super Smash Bros
PPMD61
Liquid`Ken27
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu526
Khaldor284
Trikslyr54
Other Games
summit1g8794
shahzam605
mouzStarbuck329
C9.Mang0164
Pyrionflax91
Mew2King77
Sick42
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick4907
BasetradeTV19
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Eskiya23 18
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota23091
League of Legends
• Doublelift2363
Other Games
• imaqtpie2087
• Shiphtur465
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 27m
Replay Cast
12h 27m
WardiTV European League
18h 27m
ShoWTimE vs sebesdes
Percival vs NightPhoenix
Shameless vs Nicoract
Krystianer vs Scarlett
ByuN vs uThermal
Harstem vs HeRoMaRinE
PiGosaur Monday
1d 2h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Epic.LAN
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Online Event
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.