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This happens more often than you think. I've witnessed 2 of these already.
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On December 08 2011 17:50 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:44 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 17:41 Steveling wrote:On December 08 2011 17:26 blade55555 wrote:Um I don't care what problem the guy is having going into a subway and eating it in front of the cashier then not paying is just stupid. I do not think you should have paid for it, there are other ways to get food then to do what he did. Hell he can go look for 50 cents and buy some top ramen if he was that hungry. He deserved to be arrested for what he did imo, and if he was that hungry maybe he wants to go to jail so that he can get free food in there now rather then do what he did. I definitely wouldn't feel regretful if I were you, I would have actually been a little entertained to see something like that live  Really? Godam our values are ever dropping more and more. Sorry I don't believe anybody should be able to be given free food (which they will then abuse like so many in our society) when most can actually work and get a job but don't want to. For the rare amount of people who legitimately have problems and can't get a job either due to health issues or something to that affect I can stand letting them getting free food or stuff like that. But a guy who orders a sub sandwitch, eats it in front of the cashier, doesn't pay and just says he has no money is just retarded and doesn't deserve sympathy. Some crows are lazy crows, they don't actually do much when the other crows are working. Until recently, this has been a mystery of science-- why should some crows which work harder than others in a flock to provide food, build nests etc. support lazy crows which leech off of others, right? Biologically this shouldn't exist in a population. Flocks with lazy crows should have naturally selected themselves out of existence thousands of years ago. But they didn't, and the flocks do provide for lazy crows. People realized just recently that the lazy ones become hard working crows when another crow falls sick or becomes disabled, or their work is otherwise needed-- they fulfill a reserve labour role. Sure, we aren't crows, but I figure, if fucking crows can take care of their own, why the hell shouldn't we? And to hell with notions about everyone having to pull their own weight according to some imaginary criteria. I think a civilization that provides for all is a better civilization and I think it leads to a broken paranoid and fragmented society otherwise. Some people would say that before he died my grandpa was useless, but man, he could tell a good story, he would play the harmonica, he would serve as a centrepiece for family gatherings, he had a ton of knowledge and he even drove the tractor around in the field sometimes too. But dude, you might say, he's eating a subway sandwich and not paying! he's not driving the tractor, telling stories, or serving as a reserve crow labour force! So fuck him. No, he's not doing those things, but we are talking about him, and its interesting, and if everyone pulled their weight and acted exactly like you wanted them to, we wouldn't be having this interesting conversation, learning about crows and my grandpa and shit, and the world would be a hell of a lot more boring.
If i could thumb up comments on Teamliquid, i would thumb yours up, excellent input.
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you guys have jalepeno cheese?
wtf all we have here is shitty italian herbs and cheese T-T
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Since when does petty theft (less than ten dollars) get you arrested?
Also since when do fast food places give the food before you pay?
I mean, sounds like everyone in the situation except the OP was pretty dumb. You did the right thing by not getting involved; This was not a man begging on the street for money, nor was it a man who barely gets to eat (you said he was big). I don't know what his circumstances were but if you are homeless and hungry there are a great many other ways to get food for free.
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Surprised at the number of people in the thread with the view that food shouldn't be a right at all, that concept seems insane to me.
That said though I don't think that applies here, going in to a place selling overpriced sandwiches and eating said overpriced sandwich is probably not the best way to do things, so I'd be surprised if he wasn't ill in some way. Realistically he's not going to jail for a $5 sandwich anyway so stuff should work out ok.
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in the past i would have paid for and felt sorry for him
nowadays i get the feeling that itd be a "stunt" of some kind and tell him to fuck off
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Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged / Fountainhead:
“I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
“I could die for you. But I couldn't, and wouldn't, live for you.”
You shouldn't blame yourself. You are your own person and are in no way responsible for this poor sap. If he is unable to pay for something then he should not be able to purchase it. Honestly the cop may have taken him away even if you had payed. Forget about him.
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On December 08 2011 17:30 discodancer wrote:
Come on, he tapped you and looked at you. He meant for you to pay, he wouldn't have eaten otherwise. You just scarred this guy for life and probably ruined his future job opportunities. Was it worth 5$? Huh? WAS IT?
Why should the OP have paid for this man? It was not his fault he couldn't pay.
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When I was in college I was at the 24-hour grocery store cashier behind a homeless dude who was paying for a sandwich with a pocketful of change. He didn't have enough change after the cashier counted all the nickels and pennies, so I gladly covered the difference.
If I was in the same situation as the OP, I would have let the guy get arrested.
Let's see who can figure out the difference between these situations.
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I used to be a fan of meatball sub (at Subway) until I witnessed a customer complaint happening in front of my eyes. A man obviously ordered a foot-long meatball sub with the intent of eating it in-store (in a seat), but I watched from the waiting line the entire process: he got his sub, paid, sat down, opened the sub, then went straight back to the cashier. He held his sub open for the cashier to see... and for other customers in line to see... it was a COMPLETE mess. Now now, meatball subs do tend to get a little messy, with those meatballs pushing out other condiments and that sauce smushing over the poorly constructed mix. With that in mind, that man's meatball sub was the absolute worst meatball sub I have seen. It looked so bad. I can't fully describe it in words, I have no clue what happened to it but I saw a "huge mess" in that wrapper and that's all I can remember. I also remember him cussing up a storm and demanding the manager to speak with him or something. He eventually left the store, with his messy sub on laying there on the counter. It was cleaned up shortly.
ANYHOW
That's my big story about meatball subs. As for this case with the sub-eating intimidating man, I believe what you did (or did not do) was fine. He should now learn the lesson - he must earn his sub, whether through fair work or begging or whatever other non-illegal means.
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On December 08 2011 17:30 discodancer wrote:
Come on, he tapped you and looked at you. He meant for you to pay, he wouldn't have eaten otherwise. You just scarred this guy for life and probably ruined his future job opportunities. Was it worth 5$? Huh? WAS IT?
Tell me that's a sarcasm. Seriously.
If he didn't have money, then he should've stayed home and made himself a sandwich. Why in the blue fucking hell was OP suppose to pay for his sandwich? Because some guy tapped his shoulder and stared at him? What, he didn't have a decency to ask OP to pay for his food? If the guy obviously looked like a homeless dude/bum, then yes. But OP clearly described guy as not look like a homeless, not to mention, he started eating his sandwich in front of the cashier, ignoring the line behind him. An ignorant douchebag? Maybe. Mentally ill? Maybe.
Btw OP, you witnessed some interesting incident while eating your food. I guess some good things came out of it for going to Subway at 2AM.
Don't worry OP. it's not your fault. Me? I would've just snickered at him and pay for my food and walk away.
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I don't think you should have paid for his sub, he knew what he was doing and you had no obligation to pay for it.
It sounds like a pretty entertaining experience though, both his indignantly eating it in front of the cashier and his getting arrested for it.
Good call with the meatballs though, that's what I always go for.
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Why pay? It's Subway, not a charity soup kitchen.
The policeman handled it in a decent way I think
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On December 08 2011 17:50 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:44 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 17:41 Steveling wrote:On December 08 2011 17:26 blade55555 wrote:Um I don't care what problem the guy is having going into a subway and eating it in front of the cashier then not paying is just stupid. I do not think you should have paid for it, there are other ways to get food then to do what he did. Hell he can go look for 50 cents and buy some top ramen if he was that hungry. He deserved to be arrested for what he did imo, and if he was that hungry maybe he wants to go to jail so that he can get free food in there now rather then do what he did. I definitely wouldn't feel regretful if I were you, I would have actually been a little entertained to see something like that live Really? Godam our values are ever dropping more and more. Sorry I don't believe anybody should be able to be given free food (which they will then abuse like so many in our society) when most can actually work and get a job but don't want to. For the rare amount of people who legitimately have problems and can't get a job either due to health issues or something to that affect I can stand letting them getting free food or stuff like that. But a guy who orders a sub sandwitch, eats it in front of the cashier, doesn't pay and just says he has no money is just retarded and doesn't deserve sympathy. Some crows are lazy crows, they don't actually do much when the other crows are working. Until recently, this has been a mystery of science-- why should some crows which work harder than others in a flock to provide food, build nests etc. support lazy crows which leech off of others, right? Biologically this shouldn't exist in a population. Flocks with lazy crows should have naturally selected themselves out of existence thousands of years ago. But they didn't, and the flocks do provide for lazy crows. People realized just recently that the lazy ones become hard working crows when another crow falls sick or becomes disabled, or their work is otherwise needed-- they fulfill a reserve labour role. Sure, we aren't crows, but I figure, if fucking crows can take care of their own, why the hell shouldn't we? And to hell with notions about everyone having to pull their own weight according to some imaginary criteria. I think a civilization that provides for all is a better civilization and I think it leads to a broken paranoid and fragmented society otherwise. Some people would say that before he died my grandpa was useless, but man, he could tell a good story, he would play the harmonica, he would serve as a centrepiece for family gatherings, he had a ton of knowledge and he even drove the tractor around in the field sometimes too. But dude, you might say, he's eating a subway sandwich and not paying! he's not driving the tractor, telling stories, or serving as a reserve crow labour force! So fuck him. No, he's not doing those things, but we are talking about him, and its interesting, and if everyone pulled their weight and acted exactly like you wanted them to, we wouldn't be having this interesting conversation, learning about crows and my grandpa and shit, and the world would be a hell of a lot more boring.
Your right. We should let lazy people who don't want to work and just want everything handed to them have it. We should just all send them food hell why not buy him a house to and pay for his bills? I think that would be nice of us to. Making sure he lives in a small house with air conditioning, heater, food, bed, bathroom and he shouldn't have to work at all he can just sit in there all day go out and drink and have nothing to worry about. You have made me seen the light! :D
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On December 09 2011 04:15 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:50 caradoc wrote:On December 08 2011 17:44 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 17:41 Steveling wrote:On December 08 2011 17:26 blade55555 wrote:Um I don't care what problem the guy is having going into a subway and eating it in front of the cashier then not paying is just stupid. I do not think you should have paid for it, there are other ways to get food then to do what he did. Hell he can go look for 50 cents and buy some top ramen if he was that hungry. He deserved to be arrested for what he did imo, and if he was that hungry maybe he wants to go to jail so that he can get free food in there now rather then do what he did. I definitely wouldn't feel regretful if I were you, I would have actually been a little entertained to see something like that live Really? Godam our values are ever dropping more and more. Sorry I don't believe anybody should be able to be given free food (which they will then abuse like so many in our society) when most can actually work and get a job but don't want to. For the rare amount of people who legitimately have problems and can't get a job either due to health issues or something to that affect I can stand letting them getting free food or stuff like that. But a guy who orders a sub sandwitch, eats it in front of the cashier, doesn't pay and just says he has no money is just retarded and doesn't deserve sympathy. Some crows are lazy crows, they don't actually do much when the other crows are working. Until recently, this has been a mystery of science-- why should some crows which work harder than others in a flock to provide food, build nests etc. support lazy crows which leech off of others, right? Biologically this shouldn't exist in a population. Flocks with lazy crows should have naturally selected themselves out of existence thousands of years ago. But they didn't, and the flocks do provide for lazy crows. People realized just recently that the lazy ones become hard working crows when another crow falls sick or becomes disabled, or their work is otherwise needed-- they fulfill a reserve labour role. Sure, we aren't crows, but I figure, if fucking crows can take care of their own, why the hell shouldn't we? And to hell with notions about everyone having to pull their own weight according to some imaginary criteria. I think a civilization that provides for all is a better civilization and I think it leads to a broken paranoid and fragmented society otherwise. Some people would say that before he died my grandpa was useless, but man, he could tell a good story, he would play the harmonica, he would serve as a centrepiece for family gatherings, he had a ton of knowledge and he even drove the tractor around in the field sometimes too. But dude, you might say, he's eating a subway sandwich and not paying! he's not driving the tractor, telling stories, or serving as a reserve crow labour force! So fuck him. No, he's not doing those things, but we are talking about him, and its interesting, and if everyone pulled their weight and acted exactly like you wanted them to, we wouldn't be having this interesting conversation, learning about crows and my grandpa and shit, and the world would be a hell of a lot more boring. Your right. We should let lazy people who don't want to work and just want everything handed to them have it. We should just all send them food hell why not buy him a house to and pay for his bills? I think that would be nice of us to. Making sure he lives in a small house with air conditioning, heater, food, bed, bathroom and he shouldn't have to work at all he can just sit in there all day go out and drink and have nothing to worry about. You have made me seen the light! :D
Woah, what's with the Republican like attitude. I feel like you're trying to lay the blame on the victim. It's like saying, "oh she deserved to be raped because she was wearing a short skirt." Being hungry shouldn't be a crime. It's not people's fault that they are starving. You're also putting in a lot of assumptions regarding the man who was arrested at subway. Saying he's "lazy." What if he was a war vet who was starving and homeless? Should it matter the reason why someone could be starving and homeless? people shouldnt be starving in this day and age.
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On December 09 2011 04:15 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:50 caradoc wrote:On December 08 2011 17:44 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 17:41 Steveling wrote:On December 08 2011 17:26 blade55555 wrote:Um I don't care what problem the guy is having going into a subway and eating it in front of the cashier then not paying is just stupid. I do not think you should have paid for it, there are other ways to get food then to do what he did. Hell he can go look for 50 cents and buy some top ramen if he was that hungry. He deserved to be arrested for what he did imo, and if he was that hungry maybe he wants to go to jail so that he can get free food in there now rather then do what he did. I definitely wouldn't feel regretful if I were you, I would have actually been a little entertained to see something like that live Really? Godam our values are ever dropping more and more. Sorry I don't believe anybody should be able to be given free food (which they will then abuse like so many in our society) when most can actually work and get a job but don't want to. For the rare amount of people who legitimately have problems and can't get a job either due to health issues or something to that affect I can stand letting them getting free food or stuff like that. But a guy who orders a sub sandwitch, eats it in front of the cashier, doesn't pay and just says he has no money is just retarded and doesn't deserve sympathy. Some crows are lazy crows, they don't actually do much when the other crows are working. Until recently, this has been a mystery of science-- why should some crows which work harder than others in a flock to provide food, build nests etc. support lazy crows which leech off of others, right? Biologically this shouldn't exist in a population. Flocks with lazy crows should have naturally selected themselves out of existence thousands of years ago. But they didn't, and the flocks do provide for lazy crows. People realized just recently that the lazy ones become hard working crows when another crow falls sick or becomes disabled, or their work is otherwise needed-- they fulfill a reserve labour role. Sure, we aren't crows, but I figure, if fucking crows can take care of their own, why the hell shouldn't we? And to hell with notions about everyone having to pull their own weight according to some imaginary criteria. I think a civilization that provides for all is a better civilization and I think it leads to a broken paranoid and fragmented society otherwise. Some people would say that before he died my grandpa was useless, but man, he could tell a good story, he would play the harmonica, he would serve as a centrepiece for family gatherings, he had a ton of knowledge and he even drove the tractor around in the field sometimes too. But dude, you might say, he's eating a subway sandwich and not paying! he's not driving the tractor, telling stories, or serving as a reserve crow labour force! So fuck him. No, he's not doing those things, but we are talking about him, and its interesting, and if everyone pulled their weight and acted exactly like you wanted them to, we wouldn't be having this interesting conversation, learning about crows and my grandpa and shit, and the world would be a hell of a lot more boring. Your right. We should let lazy people who don't want to work and just want everything handed to them have it. We should just all send them food hell why not buy him a house to and pay for his bills? I think that would be nice of us to. Making sure he lives in a small house with air conditioning, heater, food, bed, bathroom and he shouldn't have to work at all he can just sit in there all day go out and drink and have nothing to worry about. You have made me seen the light! :D
As long as you're giving handouts, I don't want some small house, I want a mansion. Get on that. Going to quit my job so I can drink and play SC2 all day, brb. Caradoc, I know you'll shoot some money to me, I'll give my paypal information.
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On December 09 2011 04:15 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:50 caradoc wrote:On December 08 2011 17:44 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 17:41 Steveling wrote:On December 08 2011 17:26 blade55555 wrote:Um I don't care what problem the guy is having going into a subway and eating it in front of the cashier then not paying is just stupid. I do not think you should have paid for it, there are other ways to get food then to do what he did. Hell he can go look for 50 cents and buy some top ramen if he was that hungry. He deserved to be arrested for what he did imo, and if he was that hungry maybe he wants to go to jail so that he can get free food in there now rather then do what he did. I definitely wouldn't feel regretful if I were you, I would have actually been a little entertained to see something like that live Really? Godam our values are ever dropping more and more. Sorry I don't believe anybody should be able to be given free food (which they will then abuse like so many in our society) when most can actually work and get a job but don't want to. For the rare amount of people who legitimately have problems and can't get a job either due to health issues or something to that affect I can stand letting them getting free food or stuff like that. But a guy who orders a sub sandwitch, eats it in front of the cashier, doesn't pay and just says he has no money is just retarded and doesn't deserve sympathy. Some crows are lazy crows, they don't actually do much when the other crows are working. Until recently, this has been a mystery of science-- why should some crows which work harder than others in a flock to provide food, build nests etc. support lazy crows which leech off of others, right? Biologically this shouldn't exist in a population. Flocks with lazy crows should have naturally selected themselves out of existence thousands of years ago. But they didn't, and the flocks do provide for lazy crows. People realized just recently that the lazy ones become hard working crows when another crow falls sick or becomes disabled, or their work is otherwise needed-- they fulfill a reserve labour role. Sure, we aren't crows, but I figure, if fucking crows can take care of their own, why the hell shouldn't we? And to hell with notions about everyone having to pull their own weight according to some imaginary criteria. I think a civilization that provides for all is a better civilization and I think it leads to a broken paranoid and fragmented society otherwise. Some people would say that before he died my grandpa was useless, but man, he could tell a good story, he would play the harmonica, he would serve as a centrepiece for family gatherings, he had a ton of knowledge and he even drove the tractor around in the field sometimes too. But dude, you might say, he's eating a subway sandwich and not paying! he's not driving the tractor, telling stories, or serving as a reserve crow labour force! So fuck him. No, he's not doing those things, but we are talking about him, and its interesting, and if everyone pulled their weight and acted exactly like you wanted them to, we wouldn't be having this interesting conversation, learning about crows and my grandpa and shit, and the world would be a hell of a lot more boring. Your right. We should let lazy people who don't want to work and just want everything handed to them have it. We should just all send them food hell why not buy him a house to and pay for his bills? I think that would be nice of us to. Making sure he lives in a small house with air conditioning, heater, food, bed, bathroom and he shouldn't have to work at all he can just sit in there all day go out and drink and have nothing to worry about. You have made me seen the light! :D
See sometimes this makes me wonder if people with attitudes like yours inherently don't like work, but were forced by their parents or whatever to work a lot at an early age and then internalized it as being necessary, and then project their dislike for work onto everyone, assuming that since they don't like work, nobody likes work, and so if we had a society that took care of people that don't work, we would all crash and burn because everyone thinks like you do.
But not everyone does. I work cuz I like to. But I have friends that don't. Its all good, the population is diverse and each person has their own gifts. We don't all need to be labourers or bean counters.
I gave a hot sandwich to a bum once who told me a story about how he'd travel by freight train. That story stuck with me, and I feel I got back what I paid for the sandwich hundreds of times over.
Just cuz your narrow views of the economy preclude valuing things that you don't count as work to you, doesn't mean that it is actually the case. Hell, I know a lot of people that think that playing starcraft or working to produce content for ESPORTS isn't contributing to society and that they should get a 'real' job, so your opinion isn't just yours alone. I just think its fucked up and basically wrong. We can disagree though, good societies have a diversity of viewpoints.
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On December 09 2011 05:06 Phyrigian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 04:59 caradoc wrote:On December 09 2011 04:15 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 17:50 caradoc wrote:On December 08 2011 17:44 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 17:41 Steveling wrote:On December 08 2011 17:26 blade55555 wrote:Um I don't care what problem the guy is having going into a subway and eating it in front of the cashier then not paying is just stupid. I do not think you should have paid for it, there are other ways to get food then to do what he did. Hell he can go look for 50 cents and buy some top ramen if he was that hungry. He deserved to be arrested for what he did imo, and if he was that hungry maybe he wants to go to jail so that he can get free food in there now rather then do what he did. I definitely wouldn't feel regretful if I were you, I would have actually been a little entertained to see something like that live Really? Godam our values are ever dropping more and more. Sorry I don't believe anybody should be able to be given free food (which they will then abuse like so many in our society) when most can actually work and get a job but don't want to. For the rare amount of people who legitimately have problems and can't get a job either due to health issues or something to that affect I can stand letting them getting free food or stuff like that. But a guy who orders a sub sandwitch, eats it in front of the cashier, doesn't pay and just says he has no money is just retarded and doesn't deserve sympathy. Some crows are lazy crows, they don't actually do much when the other crows are working. Until recently, this has been a mystery of science-- why should some crows which work harder than others in a flock to provide food, build nests etc. support lazy crows which leech off of others, right? Biologically this shouldn't exist in a population. Flocks with lazy crows should have naturally selected themselves out of existence thousands of years ago. But they didn't, and the flocks do provide for lazy crows. People realized just recently that the lazy ones become hard working crows when another crow falls sick or becomes disabled, or their work is otherwise needed-- they fulfill a reserve labour role. Sure, we aren't crows, but I figure, if fucking crows can take care of their own, why the hell shouldn't we? And to hell with notions about everyone having to pull their own weight according to some imaginary criteria. I think a civilization that provides for all is a better civilization and I think it leads to a broken paranoid and fragmented society otherwise. Some people would say that before he died my grandpa was useless, but man, he could tell a good story, he would play the harmonica, he would serve as a centrepiece for family gatherings, he had a ton of knowledge and he even drove the tractor around in the field sometimes too. But dude, you might say, he's eating a subway sandwich and not paying! he's not driving the tractor, telling stories, or serving as a reserve crow labour force! So fuck him. No, he's not doing those things, but we are talking about him, and its interesting, and if everyone pulled their weight and acted exactly like you wanted them to, we wouldn't be having this interesting conversation, learning about crows and my grandpa and shit, and the world would be a hell of a lot more boring. Your right. We should let lazy people who don't want to work and just want everything handed to them have it. We should just all send them food hell why not buy him a house to and pay for his bills? I think that would be nice of us to. Making sure he lives in a small house with air conditioning, heater, food, bed, bathroom and he shouldn't have to work at all he can just sit in there all day go out and drink and have nothing to worry about. You have made me seen the light! :D See sometimes this makes me wonder if people with attitudes like yours inherently don't like work, but were forced by their parents or whatever to work a lot at an early age and then internalized it as being necessary, and then project their dislike for work onto everyone, assuming that since they don't like work, nobody likes work, and so if we had a society that took care of people that don't work, we would all crash and burn because everyone thinks like you do. But not everyone does. I work cuz I like to. But I have friends that don't. Its all good, the population is diverse and each person has their own gifts. We don't all need to be labourers or bean counters. I gave a hot sandwich to a bum once who told me a stoy about how he'd travel by freight train. That story stuck with me, and I feel I got back what I paid for the sandwich hundreds of times over. Just cuz your narrow views of the economy preclude valuing things that you don't count as work to you, doesn't mean that it is actually the case. Hell, I know a lot of people that think that playing starcraft or working to produce content for ESPORTS isn't contributing to society and that they should get a 'real' job, so your opinion isn't just yours alone. I just think its fucked up and basically wrong. We can disagree though, good societies have a diversity of viewpoints. If he asked for the money before he ordered the sub instead of, what i'd presume is arrogantly taking a risk i'd agree with you. The man didn't know if he'd have somebody to pay for it or not. It just is arrogant for him to order it then assume that somebody will pay for you.
The question to me isn't about that particular guy eating that particular subway sandwich in that particular subway sandwich shop, and whether he had mustard on it or pickles or both and would it have changed everything if he did something a little bit diferent. This amusing anecdote about a guy eating a sandwich has reached 3 (soon to be 4) pages because it lets us make an analogy. It's about society in general. Whether he changed one word here or there might be interesting in some ways, but it's not what I'm talking about.
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