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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
You do come off as a bit abrasive in your response though, I assume that you're trying to channel the feeling of addiction into sympathy for carnal needs. Regardless of the cause that you fight for though, no need to offend possible supporters if you want to get your project running. That's how the business world works | ||
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CoolSea
United States236 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Can I just give you money and buy another pack anyway? I'm going to buy another pack anyway  sigh. You know, 80% of a pack of cigarettes is taxes. Every time I turn on a stream I get a face full of clogged arteries and tarred lungs. When I leave the house, right outside is a billboard telling me I'll die if I keep smoking. TV, radio, internet- you've got it all. Maybe I'll give you $7 so I don't have to live someone elses dream. I never told myself growing up that I wanted to grow old and die after all of my friends. All I want in life is to be a good man and enjoy my few hedonistic pleasures. I like rich French liqueurs. I loved drugs but I gave those up so I could get away from the mindfuck-where are my pants-what do you MEAN we're in Tennessee? stories. Just let me smoke in peace. I'll do it in my house under the blankets and I'll never bring it up or try to convince anyone else to smoke. Here's $7. Just tell me where to donate. I wish you luck with your dream and maybe one day I'll decide how foolish I was in my youth and wish for all the cigarettes I've smoked back and my life not to end. But for now, just chase your own dream and I'll help you the best I can if you come around with a tithe plate. solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. edit- all that shit and I don't conjugate the word feelings properly. | ||
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
On December 04 2011 18:59 Snet wrote: Neither one of you could ever understand the purpose Pretty sure I understand it, and I think your intentions are good. But I think there are other things to consider as well. Before running out of food, we'll run out of drinking water. And also, smokers don't hurt hungry people. USA should get rid of its obesity problem. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
Possible wars and world hunger.... Maybe this will be too harsh for you, but i have to tell you that nobody (countries government) gives a shit about people dying from hunger, otherwise it could be stopped easily already. It is actually very good for them because it makes a lot easier to control that country. Seriously, one just has to like the american naivity that is displayed all the time. Let's help everyone and cure all disease. Yeah, right... | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On December 04 2011 20:01 Bunn wrote: Pretty sure I understand it, and I think your intentions are good. But I think there are other things to consider as well. Before running out of food, we'll run out of drinking water. And also, smokers don't hurt hungry people. USA should get rid of its obesity problem. - "Instead of just helping, let's discuss all the ways we can help and which is the best way to help." -- "Yeah, sure! Let's do this for maybe 11 years or so and then we can approach the public with it and ask for their help" - "Good idea, then we can talk more about who needs the most help for 3 more years!" -- "I like your thinking, let's talk about that too and pat ourselves on the back for all the headway we will do and all the help we will achieve after all this discussing!" - "Jolly good!" | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
On December 04 2011 20:20 Torte de Lini wrote: - "Instead of just helping, let's discuss all the ways we can help and which is the best way to help." -- "Yeah, sure! Let's do this for maybe 11 years or so and then we can approach the public with it and ask for their help" - "Good idea, then we can talk more about who needs the most help for 3 more years!" -- "I like your thinking, let's talk about that too and pat ourselves on the back for all the headway we will do and all the help we will achieve after all this discussing!" - "Jolly good!" | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
It's not a bad idea, but it seems too targeted, and it's not like smokers are automatically richer than nonsmokers therefore able to afford more in donations. I say raise taxes on rich people and repurpose military budget to helping world charity. But that's just my inner hippie. BTW a very interesting short episode of Freakonomics radio podcast on donation and incentives. Worth a listen. Well, every episode is, actually.  | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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tonning
Norway111 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
On December 04 2011 21:09 tdt wrote: Meh everybody dies. If they decide to check out early who am I to disagree? No one. I am just commenting that it helps us when the do. There are plenty of peer reviewed economic and medical journals which say as much. smoking is a net benefit to societies with social welfare Well by that logic Snet's dream charity is even worse because it's helping starving people in third world nations, who are contributing to the world's rising population crisis? I've got an idea for a charity. We have healthy old people and the poor trade their food and medicine for firearms. Then they can all shoot each other (to death, mind you, wounded would just clog the health system). Helps clear out those healthy old people and the ghettos all in one go. The food and medicine can go to us healthy, young, middle classed who need it most. | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On December 04 2011 21:38 Newbistic wrote: Well by that logic Snet's dream charity is even worse because it's helping starving people in third world nations, who are contributing to the world's rising population crisis? I've got an idea for a charity. We have healthy old people and the poor trade their food and medicine for firearms. Then they can all shoot each other (to death, mind you, wounded would just clog the health system). Helps clear out those healthy old people and the ghettos all in one go. The food and medicine can go to us healthy, young, middle classed who need it most. I don't agree with the premise of a world population crisis and definitly don't condone murder. Just love liberty. Financial.Sexual. Religious. Smoking whatever and op's idea are an enemy to liberty. Liberty is a natural state before someone takes it from you. Taxes take it from you. Telling you can't kill yourself with cigarettes take it from you. etc. Obviously murder robs you of liberty. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
On December 04 2011 21:55 tdt wrote: I don't agree with the premise of a world population crisis and definitly don't condone murder. Just love liberty. Financial.Sexual. Religious. Smoking whatever and op's idea are an enemy to liberty. Liberty is a natural state before someone takes it from you. Taxes take it from you. Telling you can't kill yourself with cigarettes take it from you. etc. Obviously murder robs you of liberty. It's amazing you can talk about liberty and "natural states" sitting comfortably warm in front of your computer while OP is talking about helping people starving to death elsewhere... People should have the liberty to do what they want, except when they're born elsewhere in a place screwed over by historical events, then they're fucked and can just go die, right? OP isn't talking about making a law to force smokers to trade their cigarette money for charity. She's talking about an optional charity where smokers who wish to quit can potentially donate their dollars to a beneficial cause. That's not a terrible idea at all. Your opinion on this thread seems to be that most smokers seem to prefer their cigarette money for cigarettes rather than other things, therefore the charity wouldn't work. You could have said that in exactly as many words. Instead, you talk about how people should be "encouraging smoking" (because that's wayyyy better than a charity to help starving people) and try to sound smart dropping a couple of Rousseau references that you've been mouth fed by some philosophy class in college. That's how you invalidated your argument. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
There needs to be some sort of incentive, unfortunately. | ||
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
On December 04 2011 22:23 Newbistic wrote: It's amazing you can talk about liberty and "natural states" sitting comfortably warm in front of your computer while OP is talking about helping people starving to death elsewhere... People should have the liberty to do what they want, except when they're born elsewhere in a place screwed over by historical events, then they're fucked and can just go die, right? OP isn't talking about making a law to force smokers to trade their cigarette money for charity. She's talking about an optional charity where smokers who wish to quit can potentially donate their dollars to a beneficial cause. That's not a terrible idea at all. Your opinion on this thread seems to be that most smokers seem to prefer their cigarette money for cigarettes rather than other things, therefore the charity wouldn't work. You could have said that in exactly as many words. Instead, you talk about how people should be "encouraging smoking" (because that's wayyyy better than a charity to help starving people) and try to sound smart dropping a couple of Rousseau references that you've been mouth fed by some philosophy class in college. That's how you invalidated your argument. Your ignorance is astounding, how do you know his living conditions and financial status. | ||
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