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SC2 tactics irrelevant if similar to Brood War?

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Riotgrrrl
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada73 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 14:17:23
December 02 2011 13:30 GMT
#1
If someone discovers a tactic with ramifications for a StarCraft 2 match up, then that is an important tactic to learn about. Why would it matter if it was similar to a tactic in any other game? I don't understand why MC glitching his probe up a fully blocked ramp with a probe by making a pylon isn't worthy of discussion because it was done in Brood War.

The issue I'm addressing is someone who posted this video as a new tactic for StarCraft 2:


Edit: Point of my blog post:

1. Isn't TeamLiquid the perfect place to post a new SC2 strategy regardless of which other games the tactic resembles?
2. This is really neat and MC is clearly a baller. I didn't discover this but I feel the original thread was unfairly shutdown and want to discuss this issue here.

*
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 02 2011 13:52 GMT
#2
I don't understand the point of your blog...
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TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
December 02 2011 14:01 GMT
#3
because there's nothing new about it. no discovery was made.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 14:05:39
December 02 2011 14:03 GMT
#4
On December 02 2011 22:30 Riot grrrl wrote:
If someone discovers a tactic with ramifications for a StarCraft 2 match up, then that is an important tactic to learn about. Why would it matter if it was similar to a tactic in any other game? I don't understand why MC glitching his probe up a fully blocked ramp with a probe by making a pylon isn't worthy of discussion because it was done in Brood War.

He did what now??

I honest to god did not think this was possible in the SC2 engine.....
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
December 02 2011 14:07 GMT
#5
On December 02 2011 23:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 22:30 Riot grrrl wrote:
If someone discovers a tactic with ramifications for a StarCraft 2 match up, then that is an important tactic to learn about. Why would it matter if it was similar to a tactic in any other game? I don't understand why MC glitching his probe up a fully blocked ramp with a probe by making a pylon isn't worthy of discussion because it was done in Brood War.

He did what now??

I honest to god did not think this was possible in the SC2 engine.....

IIRC drone drills are possible too in SC2.
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Riotgrrrl
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada73 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 14:15:23
December 02 2011 14:13 GMT
#6
The point is that if it's new for StarCraft 2 then it is a discovery. Let me try to find the video the thread linked it was locked and closed.

Edit: link in OP
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onlinerobbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany547 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 14:15:20
December 02 2011 14:14 GMT
#7
edit: ah ok I'm waiting for it

did this happen in KSL or what? a little bit of context would have been nice
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
December 02 2011 14:17 GMT
#8
On December 02 2011 23:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 22:30 Riot grrrl wrote:
If someone discovers a tactic with ramifications for a StarCraft 2 match up, then that is an important tactic to learn about. Why would it matter if it was similar to a tactic in any other game? I don't understand why MC glitching his probe up a fully blocked ramp with a probe by making a pylon isn't worthy of discussion because it was done in Brood War.

He did what now??

I honest to god did not think this was possible in the SC2 engine.....

How did I know this was possible and Jinro didn't?
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blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
December 02 2011 14:23 GMT
#9
Probably Jinro was thinking about this:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Sliding_through_Mineral_Lines
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
December 02 2011 14:25 GMT
#10
Errr... this isn't exactly new. Here is another example of it. Note the date on the video, 27th of November 2010.

Also, how is it irrelevant if it brings new possibilities during a game, regardless of whether it's been done before or not?
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 14:31:45
December 02 2011 14:30 GMT
#11
On December 02 2011 22:30 Riot grrrl wrote:
I don't understand why MC glitching his probe up a fully blocked ramp with a probe by making a pylon isn't worthy of discussion because it was done in Brood War.

Who said it wasn't worthy of discussion because of BW similarities? I don't understand your blog
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windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
December 02 2011 14:34 GMT
#12
Wasn't this fixed in the engine like ½ a year ago? Think Blizzard fixed it so you couldn't glitch the probe like that exactly because of the pylon ramp off trick...
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Riotgrrrl
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada73 Posts
December 02 2011 14:42 GMT
#13
Oh okay I didn't realize it was known about so long ago, my bad. Maybe I'll make a post about mineral boosting for my next blog entry haha
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BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
December 02 2011 15:45 GMT
#14
On December 02 2011 23:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 23:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On December 02 2011 22:30 Riot grrrl wrote:
If someone discovers a tactic with ramifications for a StarCraft 2 match up, then that is an important tactic to learn about. Why would it matter if it was similar to a tactic in any other game? I don't understand why MC glitching his probe up a fully blocked ramp with a probe by making a pylon isn't worthy of discussion because it was done in Brood War.

He did what now??

I honest to god did not think this was possible in the SC2 engine.....

IIRC drone drills are possible too in SC2.


You can glitch through the pass through the zealot but it doesn't push it out of the way like a drone drill in bw does.
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 02 2011 15:58 GMT
#15
The probe jump trick? A lot of people know about it already... I do it when I 3-pylon a zerg.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 02 2011 17:07 GMT
#16
Sigh. Another blog ladder suicide. So sad, so sad.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
December 02 2011 18:07 GMT
#17
On December 02 2011 23:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 22:30 Riot grrrl wrote:
If someone discovers a tactic with ramifications for a StarCraft 2 match up, then that is an important tactic to learn about. Why would it matter if it was similar to a tactic in any other game? I don't understand why MC glitching his probe up a fully blocked ramp with a probe by making a pylon isn't worthy of discussion because it was done in Brood War.

He did what now??

I honest to god did not think this was possible in the SC2 engine.....

Huh? I've been doing this since week 1 of the beta, especially with Cannon rushes. It's way harder and more random than in BW, but it's still possible.
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Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
December 02 2011 23:16 GMT
#18
I think it's not really discussion worthy because there's not much to say about it. Since it was first done in BW, there's basically like 7 years of potential discussion about how to use this tactic, all of which I'm pretty sure are just as relevant to SC2 as BW. That particular topic should have been closed because it wasn't very interesting or revealing. An only SC2 example might be Burrowed Banelings. When it was first done, it was pretty cool and would have sparked discussion. Now, if someone just made a topic that indicated it was possible but didn't really say anything else, it should be closed because they aren't adding anything new to the table.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 03 2011 00:20 GMT
#19
On December 03 2011 03:07 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 23:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On December 02 2011 22:30 Riot grrrl wrote:
If someone discovers a tactic with ramifications for a StarCraft 2 match up, then that is an important tactic to learn about. Why would it matter if it was similar to a tactic in any other game? I don't understand why MC glitching his probe up a fully blocked ramp with a probe by making a pylon isn't worthy of discussion because it was done in Brood War.

He did what now??

I honest to god did not think this was possible in the SC2 engine.....

Huh? I've been doing this since week 1 of the beta, especially with Cannon rushes. It's way harder and more random than in BW, but it's still possible.

Like, through minerals or what?

I know you could get past the 2 pylon block back when you could 2 pylon ramps, but can you actually mineral jump or jump through depots (like you could in SC1)?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 03 2011 00:55 GMT
#20
Jonathan,

Yes you can.
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