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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
December 02 2011 10:57 GMT
#1
Blog repost...
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Blog repost because I wanted some help with a build I tried out, but I didn't upload replays fast enough and the post kindof died before I could post any reps. If you don't give a shit about this then nevermind the spoiler and it's contents.
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Loss 1
Loss 2
Win 1
Win 2

One day, a long time ago, I lurked the SC2 strategy forum and discovered the "Three Barrel Bust" or whatever. It looked like pure awesomeness. For you who don't know, it's kind of a "8 roach rush+speedlings after expo" if that makes any sense. I've found out that it works beautifully sometimes, mostly it just fails and dies to any opening, at least when I try to do it.
Helion openers scout the roaches before they get to his base, he makes tanks+marauders.
Marine aggro oppeners usually also scout the roaches (or roach warren) either on way to his base or when they spawn, he makes 1-2 bunkers.
FE openers, this isn't a problem because it's vs terran and they just lift their expo.

I'm getting really desperate lately, I lose a lot more than I usually do and it's really getting to me losing to Platinum T's (I'm diamond) that I normally would have just owned.
Do you think I lose because of bad playstyle/macro fails/bad decisions/etc, or is it because of the build, am I executing it wrongly/bad transition/shitty build/etc.
I would love some feedback on this as it is depressing, so to speak, to lose vs bad(?) terrans that I normally would own so hard. I can sense my ladder anxiety returning if I don't do something about this soon...


The build order suggestion I have. I know that this has probably been attemptet before and is not viable aganst most strats. Still, it's a build I made myself, no ripping off anyone, atleast I think so...
It is a build based on really fast upgrades, at least up to 2/2. I'm pretty sure you could do this with either roaches or lings, but upgrades may be a little bit slower if you go roach.
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Basic build order
9/10 Overlord
14/18 Gas (Pull 2 drones after you reach 100 gas)
15/18 Pool
16/18 Overlord
Lings, ling speed and queen when pool finishes, putting you at 20/26
20/26 Expansion
When your single drone has mined you about 80 gas, put 2 drones on gas again and start evo chamber. Start melee/ranged upgrade.
Keep 3 workers on gas.
Start another evo when you get close to 150 gas, when you reach 150 pull 2 drones off again, start armor upgrade.
When properly saturated on 2base, build additional gas and saturate them and start lair.
When lair finishes, place down a tech building of you choice and start 2/2.
(I can't post exact supply counts after expo, after you expo you do whatever the situation needs you to do. But this is the basic outline of the build.

I actually got inspired to try this out in 4v4s when going mass zerglings. I don't have many replays of me doing this, but I will upload more as I get to test it more.
When I do this build I don't go roaches, I instead opt for ling/bling/muta because roaches cost gas, and building units that cost gas = slower upgrades.
ZvZ Win


Feedback to this and previous post would be awesome

Oh how silly of me to post a blog when no one is logged on...

In world wide web news... What the hell happened to youtube?? Why does web pages almost always change design to the worse, I really do not approve of this new design as it seem overly complicated, not so many vidoes from subscribed accounts at the same time. I understand that layouts and times change, but why make it so completely different from the "older" more functional youtube ?

In local news... Has anyone else ever seen a ZvZ (in diamond mind you) where one does a standerd 14/14 into expo, and the other goes one base roaches and slow lings with lair and burrow before expand and lost to it? I just did, and losing to such trash (yes, I would call them that) builds/strats is just, well, sad IMO atleast. Do you think these builds are trashy/cheesy/scrubby or something like that? And if you lose to them, how do you feel ?

This blog is kind of short I know, but I really want some feedback to at least my previous post and this is the primary purpose of this post and I apologize if this is annoying. From this I've learned not to post when the majority of TLers are sleeping/working

Have a nice day/evening/morning

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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
December 02 2011 12:38 GMT
#2
its just you being trash for not being able to beat an inferior build
beep boop
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
December 02 2011 13:48 GMT
#3
Well, why hello captain obvious. I wasn't asking how you think I did, I was asking you what would you would say if that happened to you.
youtube.com/spooderm4n | twitch.tv/spooderm4n | Random videos and games I feel like uploading
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
December 02 2011 14:01 GMT
#4
that im bad for losing to a shitty build?
aka SethN
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 22:31:35
December 02 2011 22:24 GMT
#5
I would say to myself stop being trash and figure out how to beat it next time
doesnt matter if you lose as long as you learn sth from it
beep boop
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