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Enough with the "Career in esports" posts
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Empyrean
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. if you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro. | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
Just have fun and play in Craft cups or something. Sure you won't win 5000 dollars from that, but if you have a competition drive you can still have more than enough fun with that. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
It's pretty hard to get into the proscene, but once you've made it it's almost impossible to get out. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On November 30 2011 20:48 KeksX wrote: Well, at least there's hope: It's pretty hard to get into the proscene, but once you've made it it's almost impossible to get out. unless you play poker | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
So, when they find themselves thinking "man I don't like working hard" they think "I know, I'll play games for a living". Because they are fucking idiots, they don't realise how dumb this is. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On November 30 2011 20:14 Inori wrote: I don't know of a single pro gamer that, while being bad, just one day decided he will be a pro. Flash did. On the other hand, he never was bad. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On November 30 2011 21:10 blubbdavid wrote: Flash did. On the other hand, he never was bad. Destiny might be an example... | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On November 30 2011 21:10 blubbdavid wrote: Flash did. On the other hand, he never was bad. That's only part of the truth, he decided that he would use x months to becomer a progamer or not at all | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On the contrary Destiny managed to set himself up for a really solid monthly income, while not being a pro at the time. Nearly every professional in this industry managed to work himself up while combining it with work or school. People who aren't capable of doing this to at least some extent will probably not end up doing much at all. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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SarR
476 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
How people believe that they will just get the right dedication in a flick of a switch is beyond me. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
This includes Progaming, and its sort of easy to notice: take a look at how many diffrent sponsors are out there, how offten they change... you get the picture. The only thing STABLE is death, one way or another :D. | ||
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Hypertension
United States802 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:13 iloveav wrote: Stable? Like there is ANYTHING stable anymore. relationships last shorter than ever, Banks going bancrupt, people loosing their jobs... This includes Progaming, and its sort of easy to notice: take a look at how many diffrent sponsors are out there, how offten they change... you get the picture. The only thing STABLE is death, one way or another :D. Congratulations, you've discovered nihilism. I should warn you that this phase is basically intolerable to your friends and family. Soon you will figure out hedonism, your casual friends will approve, but your friends and family will still be upset. Finally you will move on to secular humanism and be awesome again. | ||
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
i also think there is a sort of beauty to the thought of anything being possible that im somewhat jealous of... i say anything that isnt detrimental to ones life which is basically anything when you are only in HS and as long as that thing doesnt include dropping out i say go for it. the act of FAILING will teach you about yourself and your limits and is a great lesson to have now rather then later. as said before there are only 3 things in life that are certain, death taxes and terran being op | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:19 Hypertension wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2011 23:13 iloveav wrote: Stable? Like there is ANYTHING stable anymore. relationships last shorter than ever, Banks going bancrupt, people loosing their jobs... This includes Progaming, and its sort of easy to notice: take a look at how many diffrent sponsors are out there, how offten they change... you get the picture. The only thing STABLE is death, one way or another :D. Congratulations, you've discovered nihilism. I should warn you that this phase is basically intolerable to your friends and family. Soon you will figure out hedonism, your casual friends will approve, but your friends and family will still be upset. Finally you will move on to secular humanism and be awesome again. Fuck, preschool hedonism was awesome. | ||
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2WeaK
Canada550 Posts
People think it's fun because they like the game, but like many things you like, you will probably get tired of it if you just play it too much. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
What happened? First one: Polylol Was in Master League, said he'd be practicing his arse off to hit GM and eventually become pro. First day, gets demoted to Diamond League after many games of flawed play. 4 days later, stops streaming. Second one: Lobber I think he was Diamond or low Masters but he actually made progress. He got to GM, he made it into a professional team (I don't think it's a salaried position but it's still something) and he seems dedicated. Third one: Lobber's roommate I dunno what progress he's made but Lobber discouraged him to take that road unless he was absolutely sure he had the willpower and the mindset to do it. | ||
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
do you think the pro gamers currently are going to last? the answers 90 percent will not. newer younger MUCH better players will take down the pros you look up to now within a few years and you will never hear from those pros again TRUST that. are you going to be able to CRUSH your current idol? because thats what it will take | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:06 2WeaK wrote: What I've always said to people... Try a progamer schedule on your winter/summer vacation. Did you like it? Did you improve tremendously? If yes, keep practicing, but don't quit your job/dropout. If no, just play like you did before. People think it's fun because they like the game, but like many things you like, you will probably get tired of it if you just play it too much. An issue with this is:
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:11 Clbull wrote: I've seen this happen 3 times on Reddit from around Dia/Master leagued players. What happened? First one: Polylol Was in Master League, said he'd be practicing his arse off to hit GM and eventually become pro. First day, gets demoted to Diamond League after many games of flawed play. 4 days later, stops streaming. Second one: Lobber I think he was Diamond or low Masters but he actually made progress. He got to GM, he made it into a professional team (I don't think it's a salaried position but it's still something) and he seems dedicated. Third one: Lobber's roommate I dunno what progress he's made but Lobber discouraged him to take that road unless he was absolutely sure he had the willpower and the mindset to do it. Oh that was lobber. Hes midmaster atm though | ||
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:19 Clbull wrote: An issue with this is:
this also isnt true on one point. practice does not make perfect. my brother and me can shoot 90 percent from the free throw line 4 years after we stopped playing ball. my old teamates older brother whos in the NBA cant shoot 90 percent from anywhere on the court and the reason is some ppl are just not gifted in certain aspects of life. there will be people who just are damn good and you dont know why. people will say oh he doesnt practice as much blah blah. at the end of the day ppl also have MMR and ELO and guess what, you cant increase it and its most certainly a hidden rating that you will never get past no matter how hard you try. genes determine this stuff and it sucks but thats life | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:23 -Illusion- wrote: Oh that was lobber. Hes midmaster atm though Oh really? Then again, it is possible he could have lost GM status in these last 30 days, but that usually involves inactivity and not being plain bad. He's actually won one or two small tournaments though. EDIT: There was apparently a bug that made it easier to hit GM than usual (which he didn't abuse but it got him there anyway.) He lost it after that but could have kept GM status if he played more. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:23 ohokurwrong wrote: this also isnt true on one point. practice does not make perfect. my brother and me can shoot 90 percent from the free throw line 4 years after we stopped playing ball. my old teamates older brother whos in the NBA cant shoot 90 percent from anywhere on the court and the reason is some ppl are just not gifted in certain aspects of life. there will be people who just are damn good and you dont know why. people will say oh he doesnt practice as much blah blah. at the end of the day ppl also have MMR and ELO and guess what, you cant increase it and its most certainly a hidden rating that you will never get past no matter how hard you try. genes determine this stuff and it sucks but thats life I always had a feeling that genes and genetics would have had a huge impact on how one improves at SC2. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:25 Clbull wrote: Oh really? Then again, it is possible he could have lost GM status in these last 30 days, but that usually involves inactivity and not being plain bad. He's actually won one or two small tournaments though. EDIT: There was apparently a bug that made it easier to hit GM than usual (which he didn't abuse but it got him there anyway.) He lost it after that but could have kept GM status if he played more. GM is a step in the right direction, but it's hardly pro status, especially on anything but KR and even then there's a lot of teamless guys there. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:41 Itsmedudeman wrote: GM is a step in the right direction, but it's hardly pro status, especially on anything but KR and even then there's a lot of teamless guys there. He did make it into a team though. HV Gaming have signed him. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32046 Posts
if you can't find them time around school/work to get into gm, you ain't good enough | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:25 Clbull wrote: Oh really? Then again, it is possible he could have lost GM status in these last 30 days, but that usually involves inactivity and not being plain bad. He's actually won one or two small tournaments though. EDIT: There was apparently a bug that made it easier to hit GM than usual (which he didn't abuse but it got him there anyway.) He lost it after that but could have kept GM status if he played more. He would have kept GM status, but that means nothing because you can't drop out of GM by losing. He got there from the bug, which is what counts. Agreed with the OP pretty much. Having that kind of dedication is uncommon, and you really need to have results before you take that kind of step. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 30 2011 20:19 Empyrean wrote: One of the few times I'll post outside of mod forums is to tell people that they won't find a career in progaming That's what's up Emp. <3 Being a realist can be a difficult thing. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
Many really good players are even reluctant to commit to it full time as well. There are plenty of top tier players that are still attending school because they know that school is the most reliable payoff in the future. | ||
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xSixGeneralHan
United States528 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
I don't really appreciate those blogs (actually I haven't read one in awhile, maybe they died out), but I'm not about to get super judgmental about a kid's week long fantasy. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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Antimage
Canada1293 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Bobo_XIII
United States429 Posts
You see it everyday. Physical fitness, for example... people announce to the fucking world how in shape they're going to get, or how much weight they're going to lose, and become discouraged because running 3 miles requires too much suffering or they're not seeing 20lb gains after a week's worth of half-assed exercise and posing in front of the mirrors of their gym. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On November 30 2011 20:19 Empyrean wrote: One of the few times I'll post outside of mod forums is to tell people that they won't find a career in progaming Empyrean November 30 2011 20:19. Posts 14142 i seee far too many wanna be pros out there | ||
Joshy.IGN
United States530 Posts
On November 30 2011 20:19 Empyrean wrote: One of the few times I'll post outside of mod forums is to tell people that they won't find a career in progaming But I did, and I only started on day 1 of the beta. You just have to do it yourself. Edit: I have an "eSports career," which is different than a "progaming career," I suppose. =P | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
yes yes its lastshadow blah blah BM, but this is an excellent vlog on this whole issue | ||
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IoDefault
United States33 Posts
On November 30 2011 22:35 TheLOLas wrote: I totally agree with the OP. Starcraft and work/school go hand in hand. Doesn't Polt go to the best school in Korea? And he is still a great player. Polt did go to the best school in Korea, however he was a relatively unknown player and wasn't anything special. As soon as he graduated however he dedicated himself to SC and became the player you know today winning the GSL Super Tournament | ||
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warcralft
Singapore609 Posts
On December 01 2011 12:39 IoDefault wrote: Polt did go to the best school in Korea, however he was a relatively unknown player and wasn't anything special. As soon as he graduated however he dedicated himself to SC and became the player you know today winning the GSL Super Tournament Actually Polt WAS something before he took a break from school. He beat Boxer in Ro32?(Or 16 i forgot) in GSL open season 3 when Boxer was like the most hyped person on earth. Granted that the game was pretty undeveloped back then. But he made a name for himself while in university. He even got into PRIME(at that time). Even though he produced his first results ( Super Tournament ) after he took a break from uni but he could get into a TEAM while in school and getting pretty high up there (qualifying for GSL 2, GSL 3, staying Code S). Yeah. Back to the OP. I also HAD the same mindset of. OH I COULD BE A PROGAMER BY QUITING SCHOOL. For a week. When u calm down and realise that grinding out 50 games a day could be fun in an aspect but you wont be improving much. It takes much talent and dedication to be able to grind out 50 PRODUCTIVE games a day to improve yourselves. So yeah, this blog is awesome. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On December 01 2011 12:56 Megaliskuu wrote: I just feel sorry for them when I see those posts .Despite your rough exterior you have a gooey centre  I think a lot of those posts are just to the age bracket on here. Kids are naive. They will learn in time. I kind of like these blogs in a weird way. The world is so cynical it is nice to see some innocence now and then. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On December 01 2011 13:13 Probulous wrote: Despite your rough exterior you have a gooey centre I think a lot of those posts are just to the age bracket on here. Kids are naive. They will learn in time. I kind of like these blogs in a weird way. The world is so cynical it is nice to see some innocence now and then. I've never seen that emoticon used before, well done ^^. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On November 30 2011 20:19 Empyrean wrote: One of the few times I'll post outside of mod forums is to tell people that they won't find a career in progaming and to find spelling mistakes in my posts.. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On December 01 2011 14:12 Endymion wrote: and to find spelling mistakes in my posts.. You mean this Isn't that a grammar mistake? The word itself is spelt correctly.  | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
It's a bold choice to become a progamer, but if you're nowhere close, there's no reason to stop living the rest of your life to chase something with such low expected (probability * payoff) value... | ||
NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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FaZe
Canada472 Posts
dropped everything for esports. Just some food for thought. | ||
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