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achristes

Norway653 Posts

November 30 2011 07:13 GMT

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One day, a long time ago, I lurked the SC2 strategy forum and discovered the "Three Barrel Bust" or whatever. It looked like pure awesomeness. For you who don't know, it's kind of a "8 roach rush+speedlings after expo" if that makes any sense. I've found out that it works beautifully sometimes, mostly it just fails and dies to any opening, at least when I try to do it.
Helion openers scout the roaches before they get to his base, he makes tanks+marauders.
Marine aggro oppeners usually also scout the roaches (or roach warren) either on way to his base or when they spawn, he makes 1-2 bunkers.
FE openers, this isn't a problem because it's vs terran and they just lift their expo.

I'm getting really desperate lately, I lose a lot more than I usually do and it's really getting to me losing to Platinum T's (I'm diamond) that I normally would have just owned.
Do you think I lose because of bad playstyle/macro fails/bad decisions/etc, or is it because of the build, am I executing it wrongly/bad transition/shitty build/etc.
I would love some feedback on this as it is depressing, so to speak, to lose vs bad(?) terrans that I normally would own so hard. I can sense my ladder anxiety returning if I don't do something about this soon...

*Added replays

Emporio

United States3069 Posts

November 30 2011 07:42 GMT

It sounds like a pretty bad build that is only going to beat committed hellion openings blindly. For the most part, any build older than 1 month you should consider with caution because players are simply better able to handle pressure and recognize it coming.

Insane

United States4991 Posts

November 30 2011 07:48 GMT

Why did you make this post? Before you press that post button, you should consider what responses you're going to get. You already realized that you need to post replays for people to give useful responses, so why didn't you wait until you got home so you could make a post that would be actionable?

I think if he has Tanks + Marauders by the time your Roaches are hitting him, you're doing something wrong with the build.

this thread has the build you're talking about, so compare the timings in your replays with the specific timings he listed in his post. Are you hitting those timings? If not, that's probably why the build is failing for you. If you're having specific problems with the build, you should probably post in that thread, since it's not even thread necroing (the thread is already recently active)

I couldn't speak as to whether the build works well or not, as I don't like playing like that

Sporadic44

United States533 Posts

November 30 2011 07:58 GMT

I remember that thread and to me it sounded both stupid and unrealistic in terms of its expectations. It promised a lot of units at really early times. Ultras at 13 minutes or something, after two attacks before that, i didn't give a second thought as most of it seemed like quasi truth. So yeah, I'd recommend playing more "standard" and experimenting with offshoot strategies from that. Basicaly you want to me macroing well, and fending off anything cheesy. Once you have two bases established consider pressuring with what you perceive to be the best unit composition, or continuing to expand and working toward late game. IMO its generally a bad way to play, if you read off a strategy and do it no matter what the game situation is.

I'm high masters zerg on NA, and for the most part I got to where I am developing my own playstyle, and responding to what I scout while macroing like a beast.

Best of luck.

achristes

Norway653 Posts

November 30 2011 08:34 GMT

On November 30 2011 16:58 Sporadic44 wrote:
I remember that thread and to me it sounded both stupid and unrealistic in terms of its expectations. It promised a lot of units at really early times. Ultras at 13 minutes or something, after two attacks before that, i didn't give a second thought as most of it seemed like quasi truth. So yeah, I'd recommend playing more "standard" and experimenting with offshoot strategies from that. Basicaly you want to me macroing well, and fending off anything cheesy. Once you have two bases established consider pressuring with what you perceive to be the best unit composition, or continuing to expand and working toward late game. IMO its generally a bad way to play, if you read off a strategy and do it no matter what the game situation is.

I'm high masters zerg on NA, and for the most part I got to where I am developing my own playstyle, and responding to what I scout while macroing like a beast.

Best of luck.

Yeah I know it sounds really...weird to have that much stuff that early, but I had just watched either MLG or Dreamhack or smth and seen a korean zerg (Moon?) do it. And I wanted to try out being a little bit aggressive without it being an all in and this is the best aggro build I've seen, because you get an expo up b4 the real aggression.
Thank you for that tip though

I posted at school because ATM we don't have anything to do, and when I get home my bronze-gold friends want to do 4v4's and I have other stuff to do. I was prepared for flame, if you've read any of my previous blog posts you'd notice that I recieved a lot of it, but it doesn't seem to be a problem, for now at least ^^

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