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My response contains spoilers too:
+ Show Spoiler +Obviously it's a set up for new books. Unlocking the ultimate spell/name of the language will unlock some hidden evil that they will have to all fight together in the near future.
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He's released the book? 0.o. I was reading that almost 2 years ago and gave up when the "release date" came and went and continued to come and go while others got out roughly on time. In that process I finished and waited for the Sword of Truth series 2 times over and got 5/6 of the way through Song of Fire and Ice.
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I actualy liked the ending, it was not too standart even though kinda predictable at times.
It also sets up an interesting new world for new books without leaving the main charakters in great peril or some shit.
(So not a cliffhanger thx for that)
Well the Roran storyline is a little over the top but he tries to justify it rather well with Rorans protectionspells.
To be fair after 3 very long books it would have been kinda hard to end it fullfilling everyones expectations.
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Ok yeah the whole Aria thing was dissapointing only his dragon got laid lol probably in future books :D
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I agree with your rant, though not allcaps-strength.
All he had to do is follow through with the rules of the world he built, but he tried to make it surprising and in doing so made it cheap.
It was obvious due to clues that + Show Spoiler + was going to be the key weapon. But it precluded any + Show Spoiler + that would have been cool.
The part I don't like is that + Show Spoiler +Eragon's strength, knowledge and experience hardly contributed to the final battle. He could not have been there and all the other powerful things could have done it for him
In the previous three books he tried to present a modernised, functional fantasy world (like, how would science or tax collection or democracy be organised in such a setting). In this one he just went straight epic fantasy which he is frankly bad at because it has been done better by others.
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+ Show Spoiler +It ended up being a bit boring to be honest.
I found the books to be pretty meh for the most part, I was surprised that he'd be willing to kill off so many Mary Sue elves. In all honesty I wish the body count for the protagonists was a bit higher. I'd also hoped capturing the cities before Uru'baen weren't such a curb-stomp for the Varden.
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I couldn't even finish the first Eragon it was so bad... such a formulaic and uninspired story... T_T
Sorry to anyone who liked it , but I literally couldn't stomach it
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It gets better after the first book, though if you couldn't even force yourself through that one you probably won't like the rest too much.
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I enjoyed Eragon many years ago, but after running out of books, I ended up reading much better series like Wheel of Time, and when I look back to Eragon it really isn't that great.
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+ Show Spoiler +To be honest I love it like that. I do like some dramatic stuff here and there but I get SOOOOOO sick of it. I think endings where the main character almost dies but impossibly wins are stale. I'm still waiting for a movie where the enemies win.
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some more stuff to rant about in case you run out:
Roran was apparently the only person in the army with common sense - that is why he could beat Barst. The wise old elves could not figure out that throwing a bunch of shit at Barst would wear down the wards. Also he was the only person able to sense the trap of running into the city.
Don't forget Paolini explained away all of the plot holes in the previous books with what I like to call "dragon bullshit on the island" when eragon finds out everything strange in the books was caused by the dragon hearts on vroengard.
Also, eragon goes on about the world being round and there is more to see than alagaesia, then decides to go hide in a corner of the continent at the end.
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Not trying to sound like an elitist dick but in my opinion Eragon is much like Belgarion: a kid's fantasy story and a waste of time.
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On November 30 2011 04:14 Xeris wrote:
I couldn't even finish the first Eragon it was so bad... such a formulaic and uninspired story... T_T
Sorry to anyone who liked it , but I literally couldn't stomach it
Yeah, Eragon was bad. I read....the first three I think....or maybe the first two....no I think I finished the first three.
I disliked all of them.
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@ OP while the ending is pretty clunky, in my opinion the entire series was pretty suspect.
Is anyone here familiar with the old anti-shurtugal community? That was the first forum group I got involved in. The founders and most of the community has since moved on although there's some left overs on Impish Idea and swankivy's sporkings. Basically, the entire series is pretty derivative. The first book in particular and when CP does move away from the Star Wars plot, he get's a little lost in his plotting/ tension building. Brisingr for instance feels more like a random encounter adventure rather than moving in a certain direction.
The magic system was never developed enough to satisfy Sanderson's First Law and so it doesn't surprise me that it failed to deliver at the end.
I could go on, but I think the problem was he got published to early through his parents when he needed build his foundation a little more, develop his writing craft etc.
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On November 30 2011 08:23 Falling wrote:
@ OP while the ending is pretty clunky, in my opinion the entire series was pretty suspect.
Is anyone here familiar with the old anti-shurtugal community? That was the first forum group I got involved in. The founders and most of the community has since moved on although there's some left overs on Impish Idea and swankivy's sporkings. Basically, the entire series is pretty derivative. The first book in particular and when CP does move away from the Star Wars plot, he get's a little lost in his plotting/ tension building. Brisingr for instance feels more like a random encounter adventure rather than moving in a certain direction.
The magic system was never developed enough to satisfy Sanderson's First Law and so it doesn't surprise me that it failed to deliver at the end.
I could go on, but I think the problem was he got published to early through his parents when he needed build his foundation a
little more, develop his writing craft etc.
Ohh yeah, I think the first one I encountered was the Arya's Eyelashes thingy, which was awesome as hell. But it disappeared and so did the rest of the anti-shurtugal community, I think.
I'm still eagerly awaiting the Inheritance Sporkings, as well as more 'Meat' stories.
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I read the first book. Good, sort of like LotR or somesort, 2nd book read half. stopped there. I'm glad.
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On November 30 2011 08:23 Falling wrote:
@ OP while the ending is pretty clunky, in my opinion the entire series was pretty suspect.
Is anyone here familiar with the old anti-shurtugal community? That was the first forum group I got involved in. The founders and most of the community has since moved on although there's some left overs on Impish Idea and swankivy's sporkings. Basically, the entire series is pretty derivative. The first book in particular and when CP does move away from the Star Wars plot, he get's a little lost in his plotting/ tension building. Brisingr for instance feels more like a random encounter adventure rather than moving in a certain direction.
The magic system was never developed enough to satisfy Sanderson's First Law and so it doesn't surprise me that it failed to deliver at the end.
I could go on, but I think the problem was he got published to early through his parents when he needed build his foundation a little more, develop his writing craft etc.
I think your right, but i read the first book when i was around 12 or 13 i think and to be honest i didn't know better haha but it had dragons and magic which seemed cool so i followed it. Now the series ends and im 19 i would like to say i know a little more about literature. But it was just so painful to see a book i grew up end so poorly imo.
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Canada11349 Posts
On November 30 2011 11:40 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:23 Falling wrote:
@ OP while the ending is pretty clunky, in my opinion the entire series was pretty suspect.
Is anyone here familiar with the old anti-shurtugal community? That was the first forum group I got involved in. The founders and most of the community has since moved on although there's some left overs on Impish Idea and swankivy's sporkings. Basically, the entire series is pretty derivative. The first book in particular and when CP does move away from the Star Wars plot, he get's a little lost in his plotting/ tension building. Brisingr for instance feels more like a random encounter adventure rather than moving in a certain direction.
The magic system was never developed enough to satisfy Sanderson's First Law and so it doesn't surprise me that it failed to deliver at the end.
I could go on, but I think the problem was he got published to early through his parents when he needed build his foundation a little more, develop his writing craft etc. I think your right, but i read the first book when i was around 12 or 13 i think and to be honest i didn't know better haha but it had dragons and magic which seemed cool so i followed it. Now the series ends and im 19 i would like to say i know a little more about literature. But it was just so painful to see a book i grew up end so poorly imo.
I think that's pretty common. I've begun frequenting the Inheritance Forums after a couple year hiatus. The old fan vs anti-fan (IF vs anti-Shurt) debates have more or less subsisided as a good portion of the old forum posters recognize the flaws in the cycle (a lot of mods and admins are pretty critical of it.) However, I'm noticing a lot of new posters that just signed up that grew up with Eragon and are rather mad at the ending.
+ Show Spoiler +The longest thread by far is the unsatisfying ending of Arya and Eragon: Their relationshipEragon and Arya. (96 pages) Granted by this time, CP had written himself into a corner where it wouldn't make much sense for Arya to suddenly join Eragon on the altar. This is followed by a thread on The Ending (spoilers) and Why does Eragon never return?In all, there's a fair number of dissatisfied readers. The ones most passionately for the ending are those that are pinning all their hopes on a 5th book whereby Eragon which actually have an 'epic romance' as per prophecy.
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It was retarded.
+ Show Spoiler +I wouldn't say that CP is an amazing writer - he was capable, but he was awfully dependent on ideas from other people. Eragon had the plot of star wars mixed in with some Tolkien inspired elements, but it became clear to me during the second book that CP was running out of direction for the plot without star wars. I was rather annoyed by the inconsistency of pacing and the insignificance of some events. I mean, come on, around 200-300 pages of the final book are just detailed accounts of battles. While that may be interesting to some, it vastly downplays his battle with Galbotorix to the point where it feels rushed.
I also disliked the introduction of new plot elements offhandedly and not going into too much depth about them. It felt as though Paolini was getting lazier. The prospect of true names, the name of the ancient language, and the reveal as Arya as a Rider - interesting developments, no doubt, but not pursued in depth. He stopped making up names for items in the Ancient Language and didn't bother revealing any true names. Instead of making of the name of the Anicent Language, he simply calls it the Word. It felt an awful lot like laziness on the author's part.
Also, the ending as complete shit. After killing Galbatorix, CP goes on for about completely nothing for a hundred pages and then makes a completely unbelievable excuse to make Eragon leave. The character of King Orrin and the whole diplomatic aspect was dull and useless. There were lots of loose ends to tie up, but those hundred pages felt more like a rushed afterthought than anything else. I was irritated by Eragon's reason for leaving Alagaesia. It sort of made some sense, but it never felt like he would abandon everything like that. Eragon was an inherently whiney character - it made no sense for him to fight for all this and then leave it all behind. Furthermore, he has to leave to raise wild Dragons? What the hell? What sort of reason is that? He's a Rider, first and foremost - so he has to stay in Alagaesia as is his creed. Arya suddenly accepting queenhood is unlike her.
TLDR; CP spends too much time on dumb shit, creates loose and unnecessary plot elements, throws away believability of characters.
Although I have to say that the Inheritance Series is by no means a great example of a great fantasy series, it was enjoyable. I read it as a fifth grader and found it amazing, but now that I'm a senior in highschool, I have many more criticisms. Despite these, it was an immersive world and it was detailed. It lacked refinement and plot, but the world was nonethless enjoyable.
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My thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +The book ended in a very logical way, let me explain why. First, everyone always knew that Eragon would need more than training and knowledge before he could defeat Galbatorix if it was going to be done in a reasonable amount of time, the training that Eragon received was merely to help him in battle against the Empire's troops, spellcasters and other powerful minions that Galbatorix had at his disposal. It would also allow him to not get killed in a stupid way, like not knowing how to word a spell, or not knowing how to duel with magic. Eragon's time in Éllesmera was just merely to give him the basics, the foundation for his forming as a Shur'tugal, a Dragon Rider. Overall, his training, I think, was intended to help him gain a greater, temporary, source of power, or help to dethrone the evil tyrant.
I agree that the final battle was anti-climactic, and overall clumsy, I hated the fact that there were no sword crossing between the king and Eragon, and that Galbatorix could just control them with uttering a single word, but for the plot to be unfolded the way it was always meant, CP needed to give that tool, The Word, to Galbatorix and have him use it. Eragon could have never defeated Galbatorix if he hadn’t found the Vault of Souls, the dragons within added so much power to Eragon’s spell, and without it. He couldn’t have defeated the Egg-Breaker, also, Eragon’s spell was a smart way to defeat him, even if his original intentions weren’t to subdue him. Eragon could never have won against Galbatorix by besting him while crossing blades, or by mentally fighting him, since the king had more Edulnarí, he had been a rider for much more time and he had more experience overall, Eragon would have to use gimmicks or tricks, and you should have always known that.
As for the ending with Arya and Eragon, it did seem a little rushed, partly because it was at the end of the book, and partly because it felt too quick for their relation to progress, not mere months ago, Arya had shut down Eragons advances on her, and now they’re sharing true names? Arya states that she had never shared her true name with anyone, not even with the elf that Durza slayed in the first part of Eragon (I can’t remember his name right now, but CP gives the image that arya had known him forever and that they were some kind of couple.) So no, Eragon and Arya not getting together is fitting, and CP leaves open the possibility that they still get together after a number of years. Remember that epic romance Angela predicts? That romance that will outlast empires? It has to be Eragon and Arya, and for it to be “epic” it has to overcome obstacles, and Eragon and Arya must be able to overcome differences, such as age and race. Consider that Arya will have to visit the new rider’s stronghold, no one else can teach Fírnen other than Saphira, and Arya may know a lot more than Eragon about magic, and be more powerful, but there are things normal elves don’t learn unless they are dragon riders.
As for Eragon rebuilding the Riders, it seems farfetched, but consider this, all of the Edulnarí (sp?) all their knowledge, 29 elves to accompany him, plus all the books and knowledge he recovered from Uru’baen. I also think that Arya will help in the future, as well as Murtagh and their respective dragons. Consider that the only three people that know The Word are them. And that the three of them, have noble intentions. Arya has mentioned several times she didn’t with the position of Queen, and she hinted that she took the role reluctantly, only for the good of her people. Her role as a Shur’tugal and Queen at the same time conlficts with the balance she and Eragon originally intended, and other races will start to fear and distrust the elves even more if she continues as Queen, she will have to give up her throne for being a rider in full. My guess? The three leaders of the new Riders will be those three, Eragon, Arya and Murtagh.
Really the only things that bother me in the end are: the very rushed love, or whatever Saphira and Fírnen have, the lack of information on Angela, and the lack of a chapter wrote in Arya’s POV. In the end of the book CP mentions that the lack of information on Angela is what he believes makes the character so interesting, I agree to some extent, but I would really like to know why she commands such respect from elves, considering the älfakyn are very proud. I could speculate for hours on end but I don’t want to bore you morhe than I already have, if you even reached this point in my post.
TL;DR: Not bad ending, just a logical ending.
PS: Not a fan boy, I came to these conclusions after much speculation, thinking and reading or hearing others opinions.
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