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Alexj
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ukraine440 Posts
November 28 2011 09:48 GMT
#1
So post-MLG Providence article just came out, and one of its authors asks the question Are Mvp and Nestea Still the Best Players in the World?

Quite a bold question (just look at the article, it is actually in bold), after all, these two are the only 3-times GSL champions to this day. Now let's look back to September when in the latest StarLeague finals we've seen JangBi's carriers defeating Fantasy's goliaths. Why exactly nobody asked whether Bisu, Flash and Jaedong are no longer the best BroodWar players?

What MLG showed is that not every korean progamer can accomodate to stressful western LAN format, where you need to play tens of games during a day (and jetlag is also part of the equation). It also showed that competition in SC2 scene is very tight... but wait, isn't that what everybody was saying already?

I've heard numerous times on State of the Game that if one competitor loses to another, it doesn't automatically means that he is bad -- his opponent just happens to be good, and in that instance the opponent might be on top of the form and have better luck.

And why is Naniwa suddenly "a Swedish guy with no big tournament results in 6 months"? Was it in previous MLGs where he lost to complete nonames or in Code A?

It seems like in the world of StarCraft 2 some people tend to forget any accomplishments that are more than 2 months old. Of course, big international tournaments in StarCraft 2 are happing too damn often, while BroodWar StarLeague heroes can enjoy their glory for many months. But I find it strange that Naniwa suddenly was nobody between his big MLG finishes and MVP and Nestea are already not the best players in the world

(Well, of course White-Ra is the best!)

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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 10:06:56
November 28 2011 10:04 GMT
#2
I think the game is changing quite rapidly in terms of who has the skill to compete against the best players.
+ Show Spoiler +
HerO winning DH, Leenock winning MLG, Naniwa finishing 2nd, fOrGG hopefully dominating Code A =p


That said I agree that people don't quite remember things that happened the month before in terms of results too often and call people bad while being in Code A/S too much. Maybe if HongUn didn't go carriers in 50% + Show Spoiler +
Made up % but much closer to the truth than I would care for xD
of his games people would stop calling him a baddie after being the only P who had consecutively been in Code S and hadn't disappeared. I know there was another blog about this but I think we lack respect for the players.
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 28 2011 10:28 GMT
#3
SC1 pros have had consistent stats for years. MVP and NesTea have only been dominating for recent months.
They can still be toppled.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
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