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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 20 2011 23:41 GMT
#41
PS - this season there are 4 A- or better players. That is out of the 30k~ active. Just think about that while you keep spreading shit.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
November 20 2011 23:42 GMT
#42
On November 21 2011 08:36 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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On November 21 2011 08:34 GreEny K wrote:
On November 21 2011 08:29 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Yep an A- player stuck in platinum is impossible.

A- on iccup is someone at a skill level of Idra, Ret, B-level pros in BW... These guys will get masters after they play 3-5 games.

If you are saying you know people that were A- and and now are platinum, do share. I was C+/C on iccup and reached top diamond in beta after 15-20 games. (Diamond was the highest league)... If you were D+ or higher, it shouldn't have taken more than a few weeks to get masters.


So what you're saying is that it's possible for a low level play in BW to be good (whiplash, huk), but it's not possible for a good player to be bad at a different game... Nice


D+ is by no means not low level lmao. A solid D+ now a days is about as difficult to achieve as low masters, it's just in BW 75% of people are D-, 20% are D, 5% is D+ and higher.


I'm not saying D+ is not low level, anywhere... Not sure where you're getting any of this.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
November 20 2011 23:43 GMT
#43
On November 21 2011 08:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:
PS - this season there are 4 A- or better players. That is out of the 30k~ active. Just think about that while you keep spreading shit.


Lol, did I say currently? No... And guess what, you dont know every player capable of getting A-.

User was warned for this post
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 23:47:31
November 20 2011 23:45 GMT
#44
On November 21 2011 08:32 GreEny K wrote:
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On November 21 2011 08:25 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 21 2011 08:21 GreEny K wrote:
On November 21 2011 08:12 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:22 GreEny K wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:10 RouaF wrote:
I'm so confused about this thread. I don't remember any other good wc3 player in NL that wasn't grubby or rotterdam. Also how the hell can you go from C+ iccup to bronze in sc2 ?!


Not that hard, I know people who were A- in BW on iCCup and stuck in platinum now.


Bullshit.


Lol ok kid, you must be 12. To assume that I would lie to cover someone who I don't know at all... Really? I play with high masters all the time and most of them did not come from BW and are still good. On the other hand I know people who were great at BW and don't know anything about SC2. Nobody is naturally good at a game the first time they play it. You need to learn strategies and how units behave and what they do. Some people learn that faster than others. So in conclusion, screw you, dont tell me what I know and dont.


Killer argument. Keep going.

Your first part of your post is completely irrelevant.

Regardless, tell me the alias of any A- iccup gamer from BW that is currently stuck in platinum and can't get out. Who gives a shit if someone gets placed in platinum originally? I was placed in silver in the beta. I was not stuck in silver. I quickly made it out and to the top of the ladder. I do not believe there is a single A- iccup player from BW that can not get out of platinum and is stuck there.


It's completely relevant because your one word response, "Bullshit", seems like something a child would post.

Your argument about being truly stuck in a league doesn't make any sense. Being stuck in a league is time based... If you play for a week and can't get out of a league, guess what, you're stuck in that league. And I find it laughable that you want proof over this... To me it seems that you idolize gamers and can't wrap your mind around them not being good at every game.


Your posting is simply atrocious. You make a completely extreme claim that clearly no one believes you about, you have failed to provide any evidence, and you're using petty little attacks. Give me a break. Come here with some evidence or you'll continue to be laughed at.

And no, if you play for a week and "can't get out of a league" then you're not stuck. Clearly you don't know the definition of stuck.

1. caught or held in a position so that you cannot move

or

Verb 1. get stuck - be unable to move further

Being in platinum for one week does not mean you're stuck. That's ridiculous and only goes to show you're backtracking after making a stupid initial post. If you're improving, you're not STUCK. You're progressing. Also, to claim that you're stuck in platinum after a week is even more stupid because you very well might not get promoted due to the system. If you honestly think not getting promoted after a week means you're "stuck" then it just goes to show that no, you don't actually know any A- gamers stuck in platinum.


On November 21 2011 08:43 GreEny K wrote:
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On November 21 2011 08:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:
PS - this season there are 4 A- or better players. That is out of the 30k~ active. Just think about that while you keep spreading shit.


Lol, did I say currently? No... And guess what, you dont know every player capable of getting A-.


The number of people that actually A- is so limited that we would know. Did you even play BW? D+ is the equivalent of high diamond/low masters. I was C and got grandmasters, for perspective. I believe HuK was a B in Iccup btw, which would still shit on the greater majority of players.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 20 2011 23:46 GMT
#45
On November 21 2011 08:43 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 08:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:
PS - this season there are 4 A- or better players. That is out of the 30k~ active. Just think about that while you keep spreading shit.


Lol, did I say currently? No... And guess what, you dont know every player capable of getting A-.


Your arguments are god awful, a player isn't a A- level player if he never reached that level.

And you were comparing how Huk/Whiplash weren't good at BW and were good at SC2. Its because too many people don't realize what it means to be C level in BW... I assumed you had lots of BW background by your higher post count, clearly not.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 23:53:29
November 20 2011 23:49 GMT
#46
On November 21 2011 08:40 Caelyn0101 wrote:
err sry but if u were a competetive wc3 player u wouldnt start in bronze ;D, so ye either lying or you missunderstood how good u were at wc3 ^^


I had 0 SC1 experience and 0 SC2 experience. Went from bronze to diamond in one season time.
I'm not sure what else you're expecting

On November 21 2011 08:39 CoR wrote:
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On November 21 2011 05:48 DT.Damage wrote:
On November 21 2011 05:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
how could you be a competitive wc3 player and start out in bronze in sc2? i was a bgh player in sc1 and didn't play competitively, but immediately made it into masters....


because wc3 is a completely different game and has its focus on micro.


still even guys switching now from wc3 i which i know, at LEAST start diamond, wc3 and sc1 background is huge and being competive gamer means you have the skill you need to at least not start bronze

so wc3 id would be nice

gl hf anyways



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On November 21 2011 06:22 GreEny K wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:10 RouaF wrote:
I'm so confused about this thread. I don't remember any other good wc3 player in NL that wasn't grubby or rotterdam. Also how the hell can you go from C+ iccup to bronze in sc2 ?!


Not that hard, I know people who were A- in BW on iCCup and stuck in platinum now.



thats just nothing else then a lie ... A- was the level of TLO White-Ra and Ret ... plz dont lie thats not cool


Once again, I never played SC1, don't know anything about SC1. I didn't know about SC2 until I started playing. One of my friends said I should check the game out.

Going Bronze -> Silver -> Gold -> Platinum -> Diamond in one season time should suffice when starting completely from scratch.

On November 21 2011 08:35 GreEny K wrote:
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On November 21 2011 08:33 SinisterR wrote:
Can you stop derailing this thread? It's actually quite a nice stream, I enjoyed watching it. Once again, good luck on your quest to masters you seem like a player with good potential. Just need to refine a few aspects of your game.


Yeah I enjoyed it as well.


On November 21 2011 08:33 SinisterR wrote:
Can you stop derailing this thread? It's actually quite a nice stream, I enjoyed watching it. Once again, good luck on your quest to masters you seem like a player with good potential. Just need to refine a few aspects of your game.


Thanks for the input!

People with bad connections had trouble viewing the stream at 5000kbps so I lowered it to 2500kbps.
Even the most crappy connections should be able to handle the stream now.

I also initally forgot to put music on but that got fixed through a quick whisper.
Feel free to whisper me in-game (kaluro.650) or send me a message on TL/Twitch if you have any suggestions/questions.

Thanks for watching and following!


I'll also ask nicely not to derail this thread, No need to go on about SC1 players who got stuck in whatever at SC2, since I don't have a single bit of SC1 background. I'm going to attempt to get this stream going for the people that do like to watch.

Each can have their own opinion whether or not I was wc3 competitor, You can even bash my sc2 play or have whatever opinion about me, as long as you stay on topic and within reason. Thank you!

www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
November 20 2011 23:51 GMT
#47
On November 21 2011 05:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
how could you be a competitive wc3 player and start out in bronze in sc2? i was a bgh player in sc1 and didn't play competitively, but immediately made it into masters....
I played WC3 at just below "competetively" level (~700-800dollars total earned), yet after ~3 years of not playing RTS games and lack of motivation I got dumped into bronze

Different games are different. I could micro my roaches perfectly, but that didnt help when I thought for example that drones could not attack and thought 6 pool was an invinclible build ~~
#freeshauni
spajn
Profile Joined August 2011
34 Posts
November 20 2011 23:51 GMT
#48
I had played wc3 casually years ago and got straight to diamond at release.

And i was the shittiest player i never had more than 30 workers even in the longest macro games.

A- iccup player stuck in platinum? that is the biggest bullshit story ever
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 20 2011 23:51 GMT
#49
To the OP, there's nothing wrong with initially being PLACED in a low league, if you don't even know anything about the game. Like I said earlier, I was originally placed in silver, because I was actually reading unit descriptions still when I first started. I didn't know what the fuck a roach was, if they were ranged, could shoot air. I didn't know banshees could cloak, etc, nor did I realize their damage output.

Being placed into diamond without knowing hte game sounds a little ridiculous to me.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 20 2011 23:52 GMT
#50
On November 21 2011 08:03 kaluro wrote:
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On November 21 2011 07:33 imperator-xy wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:00 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Only other players i can think of are Arminvb who has played sc2 since beta/release etc so im guessing you must be Sasuke?? How did you end up in bronze lol

there are some others like sushiilicous, but ive never heard of kaluro


saying that your competitive implies that you are actually on a level where you can compete with serious players. you (probably) werent.



i played wc3 (i was like top50 or top100 in germany) before and i have always been in the highest league possible (except for grandmaster) since i got my beta key in late beta


I never touched sc1, barely even heard of starcraft 2 when I started playing.
Hadn't watched streams, hadn't watched tournaments, didn't know any tactics nor the races.

I got from Bronze to Diamond in one season time, that should say plenty about my adaptability and advantage of my warcraft III background. Went through all 5 leagues in one season time.

I doubt anyone would manage in a totally different genre of what he ever played, with unknown races, right off the bat.
I am extremely familiar with micro-rts. Multitasking-macro-rts is a whole new world for me.

Having to manage your base constantly throughout the game, needing 6+ bases end-game, expansion management, constant drone production etc. was all new to me.

I was used to focussing heavily on battles, where one miss-micro would mean you'd die.
I was used to being able to go whichever unit composition you wanted and still be able to win, there were no hardcounters.

But as I said, each to their own opinion. Either watch the stream or don't.

You just described why I still love wc3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 23:57:11
November 20 2011 23:55 GMT
#51
On November 21 2011 08:52 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 08:03 kaluro wrote:
On November 21 2011 07:33 imperator-xy wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:00 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Only other players i can think of are Arminvb who has played sc2 since beta/release etc so im guessing you must be Sasuke?? How did you end up in bronze lol

there are some others like sushiilicous, but ive never heard of kaluro


saying that your competitive implies that you are actually on a level where you can compete with serious players. you (probably) werent.



i played wc3 (i was like top50 or top100 in germany) before and i have always been in the highest league possible (except for grandmaster) since i got my beta key in late beta


I never touched sc1, barely even heard of starcraft 2 when I started playing.
Hadn't watched streams, hadn't watched tournaments, didn't know any tactics nor the races.

I got from Bronze to Diamond in one season time, that should say plenty about my adaptability and advantage of my warcraft III background. Went through all 5 leagues in one season time.

I doubt anyone would manage in a totally different genre of what he ever played, with unknown races, right off the bat.
I am extremely familiar with micro-rts. Multitasking-macro-rts is a whole new world for me.

Having to manage your base constantly throughout the game, needing 6+ bases end-game, expansion management, constant drone production etc. was all new to me.

I was used to focussing heavily on battles, where one miss-micro would mean you'd die.
I was used to being able to go whichever unit composition you wanted and still be able to win, there were no hardcounters.

But as I said, each to their own opinion. Either watch the stream or don't.

You just described why I still love wc3.


Haha yeah, I played versus a silver terran friend of mine. That was my very first SC2 game.
I would call him a lamer for massing marines, as I was so used to small but effective forces that could achieve pretty much anything if micro'd correctly. I thought to myself like "ugh, losing to a masser.. ". I knew that little of starcraft.

No more than 5 workers on mining was my mindset, no more than 5 or so on wood, potentially 7.

On November 21 2011 08:51 FabledIntegral wrote:
To the OP, there's nothing wrong with initially being PLACED in a low league, if you don't even know anything about the game. Like I said earlier, I was originally placed in silver, because I was actually reading unit descriptions still when I first started. I didn't know what the fuck a roach was, if they were ranged, could shoot air. I didn't know banshees could cloak, etc, nor did I realize their damage output.

Being placed into diamond without knowing hte game sounds a little ridiculous to me.


Well, haters gonna hate. I have to agree with you and that the haters are a tad on the irrational side .
Well; diamond now, masters next. Just gotta fix my mechanics and step it up a notch.
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 20 2011 23:56 GMT
#52
I'd probably try to lower it from 2500 kbps, that's still WAY too high.
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kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 00:00:17
November 20 2011 23:59 GMT
#53
On November 21 2011 08:56 Diamond wrote:
I'd probably try to lower it from 2500 kbps, that's still WAY too high.


I stream at 1920x1080 at 30 frames per second + high quality audio.
I don't think that <2500kbps can sustain such a high quality stream output.
I'm already noticing FPS drops from 30 to 22 at 2500kbps.

Once I lowered it from 7500 to 5000 and then from 5000 to 2500, the complains about lag stopped completely.

If I get more PMs about potential lag, I could lower the stream quality overall, to a lower resolution output. Just so I can justify even lower kbps.

Did you lag around 10 to 11 PM CET? I had altered my bitrate to 2500kbps there.

One of my friends is on a terrible connection, the lowest of cable connections and he noticed no lag/stuttering.
So I think we're good. !
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
November 20 2011 23:59 GMT
#54
Pretty sure you can get really high quality at 1000 kbps...
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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
November 20 2011 23:59 GMT
#55
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/11013-tsl2-current-standings

Here's some perspective of how good A- was in BW. So that guy is full of it.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
November 21 2011 00:00 GMT
#56
On November 21 2011 06:22 GreEny K wrote:
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On November 21 2011 06:10 RouaF wrote:
I'm so confused about this thread. I don't remember any other good wc3 player in NL that wasn't grubby or rotterdam. Also how the hell can you go from C+ iccup to bronze in sc2 ?!


Not that hard, I know people who were A- in BW on iCCup and stuck in platinum now.


Bullshit.
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kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
November 21 2011 00:01 GMT
#57
On November 21 2011 08:59 Megaliskuu wrote:
Pretty sure you can get really high quality at 1000 kbps...


Well I can try tomorrow, if needed.
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
November 21 2011 00:51 GMT
#58
On November 21 2011 09:00 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 06:22 GreEny K wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:10 RouaF wrote:
I'm so confused about this thread. I don't remember any other good wc3 player in NL that wasn't grubby or rotterdam. Also how the hell can you go from C+ iccup to bronze in sc2 ?!


Not that hard, I know people who were A- in BW on iCCup and stuck in platinum now.


Bullshit.

I have to agree.......C- iccup and got masters easy lol.
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
November 21 2011 01:18 GMT
#59
gl with it :D if you were any decent in Warcraft 3, once you'll get used to the game it should be no problem getting into masters. I did the same, and I mostly played 2v2 in Wc3 :D

In what clan were you in wc3? Small chance I may know you.
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
Ritus
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany23 Posts
November 21 2011 01:59 GMT
#60
On November 21 2011 08:49 kaluro wrote:Going Bronze -> Silver -> Gold -> Platinum -> Diamond in one season time should suffice when starting completely from scratch.


Thats pretty much normal i guess. I played WC3 casually on a midskill level and went from Silver into Diamond within one Season. (Never played BW) I don't understand why you do not want to reveal your WC3 ID while letting everyone know that you played WC3 on a decent level.
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