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Are you really willing to try to go pro?

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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 16 2011 20:42 GMT
#1
Just think about it. I know a lot of people seem to like the idea of going pro, but do you really have the dedication to go pro the way koreans in the team houses go pro? Would you really dedicate a year or more of your life focusing on SC, which is for the vast majority of people a dead end after their careers are done? We will assume that somehow you managed to become pro enough to make it into a team house.

Would you do it? Do take a little bit of time and think it over if you're planning on selecting yes.

Poll: Dedicate a year+ to SC

No (49)
 
67%

Yes (17)
 
23%

Not sure (7)
 
10%

73 total votes

Your vote: Dedicate a year+ to SC

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Not sure



Now what if say, you are high masters or something but not good enough yet to make it into a pro house. Would you dedicate the large amount of time it will probably take to be able to make it onto a pro house?

Poll: Try to go become pro

No (42)
 
69%

Yes (12)
 
20%

Yes, but not with the goal of being pro (5)
 
8%

Not Sure (2)
 
3%

61 total votes

Your vote: Try to go become pro

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): Yes, but not with the goal of being pro
(Vote): No
(Vote): Not Sure



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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
November 16 2011 20:52 GMT
#2

Oh, hell no. Setting aside for the moment that my skill level is nowhere near where it would have to be:

I work in a field that's highly competitive to get into and a lot of fun, computer animation. Nevertheless, having it be my primary source of income means that I often have to put in a great deal of time and effort at it when I am not really in the mood, when I'm working on a project that I don't enjoy, or when I'm being asked to make choices in my work with which I might not personally agree.

Becoming a professional Starcraft player, if it were somehow in my capability to do so, would change something that I currently do for the joy of it into something that I'd be doing for survival. That's a fundamental change, and not something I'd want to take lightly. It's certainly wrong to say that doing so would erase all the joy from it, but making a much greater commitment to it definitely takes it out of the realm of entertainment and into something else much more heavy and serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
BrokenTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada119 Posts
November 16 2011 21:05 GMT
#3
I want to go pro, but know I wont go pro. So I am just playing to enjoy myself. If by some chance I get good enough to go pro, then maybe I'll commit myself to getting pro.
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TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
November 16 2011 21:14 GMT
#4
i probably would..i play vs high master/gm putting in only 1-3 hours a day (so very casual playing). if the opportunity to join a pro-house was given to me by a reputable team i would probably try to get in.
aka SethN
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
November 16 2011 21:16 GMT
#5
During the summer I had significant time to practice even with a full time job so I obviously thought about it. I also did a 2 weeks of 8h+ Starcraft 2 per day and it went really great, so I thought about it. I enjoyed the lifestyle. I was not tired of SC2 at all at the end of the day.

To be honest it'd be a dream come true to dedicate all of my time to Starcraft 2. I love the training aspect, the competitiveness, the community... I am certain I have to IQ and potential to get to a very high level but we all know it's not that simple. This year was my first year of university, I'm doing a double major in honours physics/math so it's time consuming... Let's just say my skill level is not as high as I would want it to be anymore. Now it's really frustrating because I'm trying to juggle too many things. I want to remain at a certain SC2 level or else I feel like shit when I play, but I also want to get very good grades. I also want to keep playing soccer and reading and doing all those things that I love. Having too many hobbies just leads me into not being able to dedicate myself fully to them. Sure I'm passionate about my school work but when I go home with all my school work being done I usually don't feel like reading about physics all the time. I just want to play Starcraft or see my friends or something. Playing Starcraft 2 doesn't feel like work. I know my school will be more rewarding in the long run but SC2 just makes you happy every time something works out in a game or match and is immensely rewarding on the short term. Isn't being happy what life is all about? I've been living my whole life telling myself that one day I'll be rewarded for all this work, and I've just been unhappy all this time. The only thing that keeps me going is that feeling that I'm doing 'somewhere'.

Finally, I could never give up everything for Starcraft 2 even if I had a reasonable offer from a team. My friends and family would simply not understand and would be very angry with me. Your parents want you to do what makes you happy as long as it's a safe job with decent pay.

So if I could become a pro instantly and join a team house I would do it. But that's not how it is. You have to play for months, every day for many hours, to have a chance at becoming a pro that's good enough to be on the b-team. I can't do that in the real world. I don't know if I would regret it in the long run, in comparison to staying in school, so I just stay in school. Always focus on the future...it's frustrating, for the moment at least.
Try another route paperboy.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 16 2011 21:29 GMT
#6
I'm embarrassed to say that I don't think I have the natural talent to be a pro. I'm better than many people (except on forums lolol all GM here) but I wouldn't ever say I had the material to become a pro. I'm lazy. I don't like watching replays of myself losing. I play to win but I play to enjoy the game more.

I'm pro at being mannered in 1v1s but not very pro in skill :p


I did click yes for high masters though. If I put in the dedication and had the raw skill to be in that category I would probably want more at that point.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 21:36:01
November 16 2011 21:34 GMT
#7
On November 17 2011 06:16 Steel wrote:
I am certain I have to IQ and potential to get to a very high level but we all know it's not that simple.


While it helps a pro to be intelligent, because they can use that to guide their practice, intelligence as such isn't necessarily a good predictor of making extremely fast, correct decisions, and it certainly has nothing to do with having the mechanical speed or accuracy necessary to succeed at a high level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
November 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#8
No, I have no interest at all in playing the same game for like 10 hours every day. Respect for those who make it to the top, but it's not for me
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#9
On November 17 2011 05:52 Lysenko wrote:

Oh, hell no. Setting aside for the moment that my skill level is nowhere near where it would have to be:

I work in a field that's highly competitive to get into and a lot of fun, computer animation. Nevertheless, having it be my primary source of income means that I often have to put in a great deal of time and effort at it when I am not really in the mood, when I'm working on a project that I don't enjoy, or when I'm being asked to make choices in my work with which I might not personally agree.

Becoming a professional Starcraft player, if it were somehow in my capability to do so, would change something that I currently do for the joy of it into something that I'd be doing for survival. That's a fundamental change, and not something I'd want to take lightly. It's certainly wrong to say that doing so would erase all the joy from it, but making a much greater commitment to it definitely takes it out of the realm of entertainment and into something else much more heavy and serious.


Quite reasonable. Opportunity costs put in good perspective.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
November 16 2011 23:17 GMT
#10
I don't enjoy playing this game enough to go pro. Only game that I enjoyed enough to make me practice every day was Halo 2, and even then I was sidetracked by WoW despite being a top player in H2.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
berimbau
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia22 Posts
December 19 2011 21:11 GMT
#11
Yes. Absolutely. I'm mid mastrers and working full time as an accountant, usually I work from 9am to 6 or 7pm. I get to play maybe 2-3 games on weekdays, and I try to play lots on the weekend but still often don't get enough games in. maybe about 10 over the whole weekend.

Currently considering quitting my job and trying to go pro for a year and practice about 8-10 hours a day, so I think my answer to this question has gotta be yes. Absolutely in love with starcraft and playing in tournaments/the esports scene. Would love to do it as a career.
1Lamb1Rice
Profile Joined August 2010
United States435 Posts
December 19 2011 21:40 GMT
#12
I would hate to go pro and be a middle of the pack or mediocre pro. That's the toughest spot to be in.
twitch.tv/lambnrice @LambNRice
Bswhunter
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia954 Posts
December 20 2011 00:01 GMT
#13
I barely have enough mental discipline to fix my life, let alone become pro.
That being said, if I could, I would. Being an Australian pro would give me a very nice gimmick.
Stop browsing and do whatever it is you're supposed to do. TL will still be here when you get back
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 20 2011 00:09 GMT
#14
If I had any talent, I absolutely would. But I don't so I wont! : )
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