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On October 30 2011 11:40 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:28 Dfgj wrote:On October 30 2011 11:21 Hinanawi wrote:
Did you really expect the SC2 kiddies who never followed BW to understand your post?
Either way, you decided to put yourself out there as a promoter of SC2, so you're supposed to grin and pretend that you think it's the best game ever. Take lessons from Tasteless. Let me make an analogy: A football player comes on TL to tell everyone that video games aren't sports, and only real, physical sports are really important - video gamers are just nerds and little kids. You reply, no, fuck that, the people involved in esports give their heart and soul as much as any physical sportsman, and they deserve as much respect both as players and in their medium as anyone else. That's this situation, only some people are in favor of pushing down other games because they're not on the scale of BW? BW is the biggest and best esport, but you can only say that because of all the other esports it surpassed - they're still esports. Good lord people, if you've followed BW, then you know how hard people are working to make esports into something real. How can you then go and dismiss people you are working on doing the same thing for the games they love? If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports, big or small, because your history is built on the joy of a game that succeeded. Except that's not the situation at all. Milkis said that AS OF NOW, nothing can come close to Brood War as an esport, which is 100% correct. He EXPRESSED HIS HOPE that SC2 will someday be able to match the lofty heights that BW reached. This is where we have a fundamental difference of opinion. I do not give a damn about 'esports', I give a damn about Brood War, and at the moment, one other competitive video game (which I will leave unnamed to not clutter my point). What, just because something is a video game and people try to make it a competitive sport, I'm supposed to support it? I don't like watching Halo, CoD, LoL, SC2, etc. and I'm sure as hell not going to support them just because they're 'esports'. I have no doubt that someday another game will rise up and become a true hit the way BW did, and if I'll be cheering it all the way if I enjoy watching that game. That doesn't mean I'm going to hop on the 'ESPORTS' bandwagon and support any competitive video game just because it's a competitive video game.
There's no question that BW is the most successful esport, but it's not the only one. Soccer is probably the biggest sport in the world, does that mean badminton isn't a sport?
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On October 30 2011 11:54 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:40 Hinanawi wrote:On October 30 2011 11:28 Dfgj wrote:On October 30 2011 11:21 Hinanawi wrote:
Did you really expect the SC2 kiddies who never followed BW to understand your post?
Either way, you decided to put yourself out there as a promoter of SC2, so you're supposed to grin and pretend that you think it's the best game ever. Take lessons from Tasteless. Let me make an analogy: A football player comes on TL to tell everyone that video games aren't sports, and only real, physical sports are really important - video gamers are just nerds and little kids. You reply, no, fuck that, the people involved in esports give their heart and soul as much as any physical sportsman, and they deserve as much respect both as players and in their medium as anyone else. That's this situation, only some people are in favor of pushing down other games because they're not on the scale of BW? BW is the biggest and best esport, but you can only say that because of all the other esports it surpassed - they're still esports. Good lord people, if you've followed BW, then you know how hard people are working to make esports into something real. How can you then go and dismiss people you are working on doing the same thing for the games they love? If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports, big or small, because your history is built on the joy of a game that succeeded. Except that's not the situation at all. Milkis said that AS OF NOW, nothing can come close to Brood War as an esport, which is 100% correct. He EXPRESSED HIS HOPE that SC2 will someday be able to match the lofty heights that BW reached. Unfortunately, that wasn't the message a lot of people received. This sort of reminds me of the old 'Elephant in the Room' thread. It stated an obvious fact, but the way it was presented shoved the details of the thread in peoples' faces and only served to create division. That's being a dick to people on the other side of that divide. Show nested quote +If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports This is where we have a fundamental difference of opinion. I do not give a damn about 'esports', I give a damn about Brood War, and at the moment, one other competitive video game (which I will leave unnamed to not clutter my point). What, just because something is a video game and people try to make it a competitive sport, I'm supposed to support it? I don't like watching Halo, CoD, LoL, SC2, etc. and I'm sure as hell not going to support them just because they're 'esports'. I have no doubt that someday another game will rise up and become a true hit the way BW did, and if I'll be cheering it all the way if I enjoy watching that game. That doesn't mean I'm going to hop on the 'ESPORTS' bandwagon and support any competitive video game just because it's a competitive video game. There's a difference between 'you should like every game' and 'you should support instances of esports'. You don't need to watch a game you don't like, nor did I suggest you should have to - but you also shouldn't harp on games that aren't BW because of that. Milkis's post works to divide the esports community at large, and I'm not surprised it's someone like Wheat, who's a supporter of esports in all its forms, who called him out on it.
I think you're mistaking me. I'm not arguing that it was a good idea of Milkis to post that, just that the content in his post was true. Reading over this whole fiasco, it seems that a lot of people don't just dislike Milkis' attitude, but they actively think his points were wrong, which they aren't.
As for Milkis himself, he really should have a studier backbone if he's going to post something that will spark such an incredibly obvious reaction, instead of going DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING like he did. Deleting everything just makes it seem like he 'admits he was wrong' or can't argue his points.
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With this attitude, I'm glad to see you leave.
Harden up mate, simple as that
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On October 30 2011 11:56 flick.ch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:40 Hinanawi wrote:On October 30 2011 11:28 Dfgj wrote:On October 30 2011 11:21 Hinanawi wrote:
Did you really expect the SC2 kiddies who never followed BW to understand your post?
Either way, you decided to put yourself out there as a promoter of SC2, so you're supposed to grin and pretend that you think it's the best game ever. Take lessons from Tasteless. Let me make an analogy: A football player comes on TL to tell everyone that video games aren't sports, and only real, physical sports are really important - video gamers are just nerds and little kids. You reply, no, fuck that, the people involved in esports give their heart and soul as much as any physical sportsman, and they deserve as much respect both as players and in their medium as anyone else. That's this situation, only some people are in favor of pushing down other games because they're not on the scale of BW? BW is the biggest and best esport, but you can only say that because of all the other esports it surpassed - they're still esports. Good lord people, if you've followed BW, then you know how hard people are working to make esports into something real. How can you then go and dismiss people you are working on doing the same thing for the games they love? If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports, big or small, because your history is built on the joy of a game that succeeded. Except that's not the situation at all. Milkis said that AS OF NOW, nothing can come close to Brood War as an esport, which is 100% correct. He EXPRESSED HIS HOPE that SC2 will someday be able to match the lofty heights that BW reached. If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports This is where we have a fundamental difference of opinion. I do not give a damn about 'esports', I give a damn about Brood War, and at the moment, one other competitive video game (which I will leave unnamed to not clutter my point). What, just because something is a video game and people try to make it a competitive sport, I'm supposed to support it? I don't like watching Halo, CoD, LoL, SC2, etc. and I'm sure as hell not going to support them just because they're 'esports'. I have no doubt that someday another game will rise up and become a true hit the way BW did, and if I'll be cheering it all the way if I enjoy watching that game. That doesn't mean I'm going to hop on the 'ESPORTS' bandwagon and support any competitive video game just because it's a competitive video game. There's no question that BW is the most successful esport, but it's not the only one. Soccer is probably the biggest sport in the world, does that mean badminton isn't a sport?
So that's it, everyone's just getting bent out of shape over the precious 'esport' label? Fine, yeah, SC2 is an esport. So is WoW arena, so is Halo. Soccer is a sport, so is Bulletball. I think the POINT he was trying to make was pretty obvious, but he touched the sacred 'esports' word and stirred up the beehive.
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On October 30 2011 11:58 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:54 Dfgj wrote:On October 30 2011 11:40 Hinanawi wrote:On October 30 2011 11:28 Dfgj wrote:On October 30 2011 11:21 Hinanawi wrote:
Did you really expect the SC2 kiddies who never followed BW to understand your post?
Either way, you decided to put yourself out there as a promoter of SC2, so you're supposed to grin and pretend that you think it's the best game ever. Take lessons from Tasteless. Let me make an analogy: A football player comes on TL to tell everyone that video games aren't sports, and only real, physical sports are really important - video gamers are just nerds and little kids. You reply, no, fuck that, the people involved in esports give their heart and soul as much as any physical sportsman, and they deserve as much respect both as players and in their medium as anyone else. That's this situation, only some people are in favor of pushing down other games because they're not on the scale of BW? BW is the biggest and best esport, but you can only say that because of all the other esports it surpassed - they're still esports. Good lord people, if you've followed BW, then you know how hard people are working to make esports into something real. How can you then go and dismiss people you are working on doing the same thing for the games they love? If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports, big or small, because your history is built on the joy of a game that succeeded. Except that's not the situation at all. Milkis said that AS OF NOW, nothing can come close to Brood War as an esport, which is 100% correct. He EXPRESSED HIS HOPE that SC2 will someday be able to match the lofty heights that BW reached. Unfortunately, that wasn't the message a lot of people received. This sort of reminds me of the old 'Elephant in the Room' thread. It stated an obvious fact, but the way it was presented shoved the details of the thread in peoples' faces and only served to create division. That's being a dick to people on the other side of that divide. If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports This is where we have a fundamental difference of opinion. I do not give a damn about 'esports', I give a damn about Brood War, and at the moment, one other competitive video game (which I will leave unnamed to not clutter my point). What, just because something is a video game and people try to make it a competitive sport, I'm supposed to support it? I don't like watching Halo, CoD, LoL, SC2, etc. and I'm sure as hell not going to support them just because they're 'esports'. I have no doubt that someday another game will rise up and become a true hit the way BW did, and if I'll be cheering it all the way if I enjoy watching that game. That doesn't mean I'm going to hop on the 'ESPORTS' bandwagon and support any competitive video game just because it's a competitive video game. There's a difference between 'you should like every game' and 'you should support instances of esports'. You don't need to watch a game you don't like, nor did I suggest you should have to - but you also shouldn't harp on games that aren't BW because of that. Milkis's post works to divide the esports community at large, and I'm not surprised it's someone like Wheat, who's a supporter of esports in all its forms, who called him out on it. I think you're mistaking me. I'm not arguing that it was a good idea of Milkis to post that, just that the content in his post was true. Reading over this whole fiasco, it seems that a lot of people don't just dislike Milkis' attitude, but they actively think his points were wrong, which they aren't.
I'm not disagreeing with this: as in my comparison to the Elephant in the Room, the details are correct, but the conclusion drawn is not a good one. Content being true doesn't mean you have an accurate point, as people have brought up - BW being bigger and better doesn't invalidate other games. It just makes BW the best of them.
Yes, the 'esports' label matters, because it suggests more competitive legitimacy than just a game. It implies sponsorship, viewership, and more serious competition.
As for Milkis himself, he really should have a studier backbone if he's going to post something that will spark such an incredibly obvious reaction, instead of going DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING like he did. Deleting everything just makes it seem like he 'admits he was wrong' or can't argue his points.
I'm with you 100% on that one.
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On October 30 2011 12:01 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:56 flick.ch wrote:On October 30 2011 11:40 Hinanawi wrote:On October 30 2011 11:28 Dfgj wrote:On October 30 2011 11:21 Hinanawi wrote:
Did you really expect the SC2 kiddies who never followed BW to understand your post?
Either way, you decided to put yourself out there as a promoter of SC2, so you're supposed to grin and pretend that you think it's the best game ever. Take lessons from Tasteless. Let me make an analogy: A football player comes on TL to tell everyone that video games aren't sports, and only real, physical sports are really important - video gamers are just nerds and little kids. You reply, no, fuck that, the people involved in esports give their heart and soul as much as any physical sportsman, and they deserve as much respect both as players and in their medium as anyone else. That's this situation, only some people are in favor of pushing down other games because they're not on the scale of BW? BW is the biggest and best esport, but you can only say that because of all the other esports it surpassed - they're still esports. Good lord people, if you've followed BW, then you know how hard people are working to make esports into something real. How can you then go and dismiss people you are working on doing the same thing for the games they love? If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports, big or small, because your history is built on the joy of a game that succeeded. Except that's not the situation at all. Milkis said that AS OF NOW, nothing can come close to Brood War as an esport, which is 100% correct. He EXPRESSED HIS HOPE that SC2 will someday be able to match the lofty heights that BW reached. If you're a fan of BW, you should be supporting every instance of esports This is where we have a fundamental difference of opinion. I do not give a damn about 'esports', I give a damn about Brood War, and at the moment, one other competitive video game (which I will leave unnamed to not clutter my point). What, just because something is a video game and people try to make it a competitive sport, I'm supposed to support it? I don't like watching Halo, CoD, LoL, SC2, etc. and I'm sure as hell not going to support them just because they're 'esports'. I have no doubt that someday another game will rise up and become a true hit the way BW did, and if I'll be cheering it all the way if I enjoy watching that game. That doesn't mean I'm going to hop on the 'ESPORTS' bandwagon and support any competitive video game just because it's a competitive video game. There's no question that BW is the most successful esport, but it's not the only one. Soccer is probably the biggest sport in the world, does that mean badminton isn't a sport? So that's it, everyone's just getting bent out of shape over the precious 'esport' label? Fine, yeah, SC2 is an esport. So is WoW arena, so is Halo. Soccer is a sport, so is Bulletball. I think the POINT he was trying to make was pretty obvious, but he touched the sacred 'esports' word and stirred up the beehive.
The first line of his article made it pretty clear that he didn't understand how people thought CS, Quake and others were considered esports and that BW is the only esport, so he obviously puts a lot of weight on the label himself. The way he worded his article implied that for a game to be considered an esport, it has to reach the heights that BW has, which is simply false. Maybe other games will never reach the heights that BW has, but people still live off of them, thousands of people still tune in, sponsors still use their marketing dollars etc..
Agree with him or not, posting an controversial article will generate a lot of backslash, he shouldn't have posted if he wasn't ready to handle it.
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Yes, the 'esports' label matters, because it suggests more competitive legitimacy than just a game. It implies sponsorship, viewership, and more serious competition.
Refresh my memory, did we ever think of Brood War as 'esports' back before SC2? I'm sure the label was around, but I don't recall it being used much. When something good happened to BW we didn't say "Wow, this is such good news for ESPORTS!", we said "Wow, this is such good news for Brood War!".
Let's say that a game comes out 5 years from now that blows everything away and is the ultimate competitive video game, the ultimate fun spectator game, let's call it Game X. Do I want to be known as a supporter of Game X, or a supporter of 'ESPORTS', which includes whatever Activision/EA decided to shit out that year? MLG, proud sponsor of Game X, Call of Duty 6, Halo 5, and WoW: Even Bigger Pauldrons expansion ESPORTS.
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Ouch, 59pages!!! This subject literally got "milked"!
It's really unfortunate that Milkis is quitting like that 
While I don't agree with his opinion of Esport and with how he reacted to the critisms, he was doing a really good job translating a lot of korean content, we'll miss him.
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On October 30 2011 12:10 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +Yes, the 'esports' label matters, because it suggests more competitive legitimacy than just a game. It implies sponsorship, viewership, and more serious competition. Refresh my memory, did we ever think of Brood War as 'esports' back before SC2? I'm sure the label was around, but I don't recall it being used much. When something good happened to BW we didn't say "Wow, this is such good news for ESPORTS!", we said "Wow, this is such good news for Brood War!".
I think some of the distinction there is because when we all followed BW, it was pretty singular (unless you were watching the other korean game leagues). Now, SC tournaments are at the forefront in the west as well, in leagues where other games are heavily involved. You can still say 'wow, this is good for SC2!', but there's an understanding that all those other games involved in MLG matter for MLG (and thus SC2) itself - there's more emphasis on being a fan of esports as a whole. Furthermore, this exposure (and merging of players from many games into SC2) means there's more recognition for the players and people who put time into those other games, because a lot of them are part of the infrastructure that is now supporting SC2.
Let's say that a game comes out 5 years from now that blows everything away and is the ultimate competitive video game, the ultimate fun spectator game, let's call it Game X. Do I want to be known as a supporter of Game X, or a supporter of 'ESPORTS', which includes whatever Activision/EA decided to shit out that year? MLG, proud sponsor of Game X, Call of Duty 6, Halo 5, and WoW: Even Bigger Pauldrons expansion ESPORTS.
Let's say you're a football fan, do you want to be known as a supporter of <insert smaller sport here>? Maybe you think it's a dumb sport, and maybe you're right, but it still makes you a dick if you blow off people who've put their time into it. They're the same kind of people who make your sport great, they just play a different game.
I'm not saying you can't criticize a game, or not think it's a bad game. People are still playing that game hard, though, and I'd like to think SC2 showed that players and community members from a variety of games all have comparable passion.
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Does Milkis know this is the internet? Can somebody let him know?
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I've always been really impressed with how much positive reinforcement that you've got milkis. It was one of those things that i would see and be like "damn, we really do have a good community, we overlook these tiny mistakes, because he's an awesome translator and we can all see that".
That being said, SC2 is a huge community and there's a lot of outspoken dicks on the internet. I'm actually really surprised that they didn't attack you earlier on seeing as everyone gets a good dose of trolling with any kind of fame.
But seriously man, just because they started in a little late don't consider it to be sincere. it's just bs they type out to get through their days because they don't know how the fuck they would ever contribute as much as you have.
I can understand if you typed this out in a fit of rage because you were being seriously under appreciated, but if you actually just disappear because some trolls... then you need some tougher skin. The good part of the community needs and appreciates you. chin up.
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On October 30 2011 04:32 Frank Drebin wrote:
Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Translate-For-My-Fans
This'll be the last thread I ever write your ass
It's been six hours and still no word - I don't deserve it
I know you got my last two posts;
I wrote your handle on 'em perfect
So this is my critique I'm sending you, I hope you read it
I'm on the web right now learning how you hate ESPORTS
Hey Milkis, I think you're being harsh... can't you see it?
You know that thread you made... do you believe it?
About how you think Brood War is more valid
Than others, but the way that you wrote it it really sounded
Like you didn't know better, like your judgdment was clouded
But now it's too late; you've made a thread and it's resounded
And all we wanted was a lousy clarification of it all
But instead you took your Twitter and your Reddit off the wall
We love you Milkis, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you scream about it
I hope your conscience eats at you and you can't breathe without me
See Milkis; [*screaming*] Shut up bitch! I'm tryin to talk!
Hey Milkis, that's ESPORTS screamin in the trunk
But you didn't take it down... you just hurt it, it's just like you
Cause if it bleeds a little it'll suffer more then die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost at the bridge now
Oh shit, I forgot, STOP HURTING ESPORTS JESUS CHRIST MILKIS
[car tires squeal] [CRASH]
.. [brief silence] .. [LOUD splash]
amazing.
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On October 30 2011 06:38 Oreo7 wrote:You and Milkis' situations are nothing alike. You get shit because of your ability, and how much merit you have as a caster, whereas Milkis is getting shit for his opinion. Both attacks manifest themselves in this mobbish way, but really, no one complained THAT much about Milkis' competency as a translator, but people don't like you because they think you're a bad caster.
I'm not so sure about that one.
I don't know anything about the story - I just read the post. "Now suddenly everything I did was shit." "My korean friend said X is X, or X fits better."
Basicly it's the fucking same but you guys don't fucking realise that. And it's hilariously sad.
I don't even know WHY you do that, maybe because it's the internet? I don't know, it's just completly retarded.
In the beginning you say they are nothing alike, and then you even contradict yourself with "THAT MUCH.." - Sir, you are part of the problem. You are one of those that he is talking to.
You guys don't realise that he is NOT seeking attention or anything, he's just spitting out the truth, how fucked up this community is.
It's more than just sad that you STILL won't realise that. It's just sad.
Sometimes I ask myself if you would act like that in the real life. I bet you wouldn't.
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On October 30 2011 12:24 SxYSpAz wrote:
But seriously man, just because they started in a little late don't consider it to be sincere. it's just bs they type out to get through their days because they don't know how the fuck they would ever contribute as much as you have.
Whoa now, I agree there's a lot of people being bandwagoning dicks here, but one of the people they're bandwagoning behind is djWheat, who's contributed a colossal amount to gaming.
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On October 30 2011 12:22 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 12:10 Hinanawi wrote:Yes, the 'esports' label matters, because it suggests more competitive legitimacy than just a game. It implies sponsorship, viewership, and more serious competition. Refresh my memory, did we ever think of Brood War as 'esports' back before SC2? I'm sure the label was around, but I don't recall it being used much. When something good happened to BW we didn't say "Wow, this is such good news for ESPORTS!", we said "Wow, this is such good news for Brood War!". I think some of the distinction there is because when we all followed BW, it was pretty singular (unless you were watching the other korean game leagues). Now, SC tournaments are at the forefront in the west as well, in leagues where other games are heavily involved. You can still say 'wow, this is good for SC2!', but there's an understanding that all those other games involved in MLG matter for MLG (and thus SC2) itself - there's more emphasis on being a fan of esports as a whole. Furthermore, this exposure (and merging of players from many games into SC2) means there's more recognition for the players and people who put time into those other games, because a lot of them are part of the infrastructure that is now supporting SC2. Show nested quote +Let's say that a game comes out 5 years from now that blows everything away and is the ultimate competitive video game, the ultimate fun spectator game, let's call it Game X. Do I want to be known as a supporter of Game X, or a supporter of 'ESPORTS', which includes whatever Activision/EA decided to shit out that year? MLG, proud sponsor of Game X, Call of Duty 6, Halo 5, and WoW: Even Bigger Pauldrons expansion ESPORTS. Let's say you're a football fan, do you want to be known as a supporter of <insert smaller sport here>? Maybe you think it's a dumb sport, and maybe you're right, but it still makes you a dick if you blow off people who've put their time into it. They're the same kind of people who make your sport great, they just play a different game. I'm not saying you can't criticize a game, or not think it's a bad game. People are still playing that game hard, though, and I'd like to think SC2 showed that players and community members from a variety of games all have comparable passion.
I have to say that I definitely wouldn't like it very much if I was just a fan of (American) football and all major football events had two innings of baseball played between quarters, for instance.
If those baseball innings were vital to football surviving, then I would grudgingly accept them, but I wouldn't be happy about it.
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I can only imagine how he reacts when someone insults him in real life.
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Must of missed something unless teamliquid turned their knives on milkis overnight. Anyways I am thankful for what you have done and all the items that you have translated throughout the years! Its only recently that you have become a more public figure with the live translating at events but your presence was enjoyable.
Good luck in the future and hope we will see you post again soon.
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On October 30 2011 12:29 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 12:22 Dfgj wrote:On October 30 2011 12:10 Hinanawi wrote:Yes, the 'esports' label matters, because it suggests more competitive legitimacy than just a game. It implies sponsorship, viewership, and more serious competition. Refresh my memory, did we ever think of Brood War as 'esports' back before SC2? I'm sure the label was around, but I don't recall it being used much. When something good happened to BW we didn't say "Wow, this is such good news for ESPORTS!", we said "Wow, this is such good news for Brood War!". I think some of the distinction there is because when we all followed BW, it was pretty singular (unless you were watching the other korean game leagues). Now, SC tournaments are at the forefront in the west as well, in leagues where other games are heavily involved. You can still say 'wow, this is good for SC2!', but there's an understanding that all those other games involved in MLG matter for MLG (and thus SC2) itself - there's more emphasis on being a fan of esports as a whole. Furthermore, this exposure (and merging of players from many games into SC2) means there's more recognition for the players and people who put time into those other games, because a lot of them are part of the infrastructure that is now supporting SC2. Let's say that a game comes out 5 years from now that blows everything away and is the ultimate competitive video game, the ultimate fun spectator game, let's call it Game X. Do I want to be known as a supporter of Game X, or a supporter of 'ESPORTS', which includes whatever Activision/EA decided to shit out that year? MLG, proud sponsor of Game X, Call of Duty 6, Halo 5, and WoW: Even Bigger Pauldrons expansion ESPORTS. Let's say you're a football fan, do you want to be known as a supporter of <insert smaller sport here>? Maybe you think it's a dumb sport, and maybe you're right, but it still makes you a dick if you blow off people who've put their time into it. They're the same kind of people who make your sport great, they just play a different game. I'm not saying you can't criticize a game, or not think it's a bad game. People are still playing that game hard, though, and I'd like to think SC2 showed that players and community members from a variety of games all have comparable passion. I have to say that I definitely wouldn't like it very much if I was just a fan of (American) football and all major football events had two innings of baseball played between quarters, for instance. If those baseball innings were vital to football surviving, then I would grudgingly accept them, but I wouldn't be happy about it.
I agree with you. I'd be annoyed too - if OSL had breaks to show WC3, it'd bug me. I don't particularly enjoy watching it because it's not what I'm into, but I recognize that it's still an esport.
Yeah, it's a pretty undefined term, but Milkis himself lays out that it has implications. I agree with Wheat that simply concluding that the games that are smaller than BW aren't esports isn't all that respectful to the players of those games, or the people that have put time, money, and love into them.
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I'm sorry that you have let haters make you think your work isn't worth fighting for. You are a good translator and one of the few who does it consistently + you help all of the Koreans when they come over from Korea to MLG and that's hard work. I feel bad that you have decided to quit based on a "faceless" troll post on forums. Rise up man, you are better than that don't let them get to you.
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