• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:45
CEST 19:45
KST 02:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism3Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?114Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group B 2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6790 users

Vetoing Match Ups On Ladder (Rant about 1-1-1) - Page 2

Blogs > DJWilma
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
October 24 2011 16:09 GMT
#21
On October 25 2011 00:37 Geovu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 00:15 TBone- wrote:
Theres a place for rants like this, and its called The Letting Off Steam Thread, here you go http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235432

Also hate the build not the player.

The player is the one using the build, you aren't forced to use it and Terran is doing great vs Protoss even if you discount this scumbag piece of shit build.

So yes, I will hate the player.

"not until Terran gets better units" wtf I should really stop playing this game, it has become a waste of my time -_-
HoTS is only going to break Protoss more, I guess I'll check back in 5 years for LoTV and see if Blizzard has stopped their meth abuse and got rid of the Terran banners flying around their HQ.


Is all that really necessary? I mean it's not like Protoss is violently underpowered now, and it most likely won't be in the expansion. And I would say Terran isn't incredibly overpowered or "blizzard favored".
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
October 24 2011 16:11 GMT
#22
Oh but wait a sec, didn't MC and Huk win?

Hummm...
So people complain that 90% of TvP is bioball, then complain 90% is 1-1-1.
Oops, it doesn't add up.


Also, allins work very well at high level, but Plat level micro? Let me use my maniac laugh.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
October 24 2011 16:13 GMT
#23
The ladder not letting you pick the maps and races you play against (like iCCup did) is a significant turn-off for players wanting to practice. I'd much rather hit up practice partners for a set of games rather than gamble I get a situation I'm interested in playing.

Yeah, you're going to have the equivalent of the guy that 10/15 rushes on Longinus all the way to B+, but was anyone really looking at the ladder for the ultimate expression of ability anyway?
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
October 24 2011 16:22 GMT
#24
On October 25 2011 01:13 Dfgj wrote:
The ladder not letting you pick the maps and races you play against (like iCCup did) is a significant turn-off for players wanting to practice. I'd much rather hit up practice partners for a set of games rather than gamble I get a situation I'm interested in playing.

Yeah, you're going to have the equivalent of the guy that 10/15 rushes on Longinus all the way to B+, but was anyone really looking at the ladder for the ultimate expression of ability anyway?

Blizzard uses ladder to find people to put in their own tournaments, no?

Apparently ladder IS ultimate expression of ability for them.
Geordie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom653 Posts
October 24 2011 16:35 GMT
#25
If you were good you would be able to hold it off, end of story.
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
October 24 2011 23:51 GMT
#26
Well basically, its all about the fact I still havn't cracked the idea of holding off the 1-1-1, like I can hold it off, but I'm never ahead when I do it. I know I just gotta figure out a solid way to beat it, but my compaint is I'm sick of it. I'm not really saying that protoss is shit, but I just want some variety in my play, so when I do win a TvP it feels like an achievement not just the fact that I could easily stop a 1-1-1. When a terran does something other than 1-1-1 and I beat him, I feel really good about it, usualyl if I beat the 1-1-1 i think its cuz he really doesnt know how to 1-1-1
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
October 25 2011 00:31 GMT
#27
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379

This build is so easy to execute for protoss to stop 1-1-1. It takes literally no micro at all from the protoss side.

Also I still get a lot of satisfaction smashing 1-1-1's.
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
October 25 2011 01:18 GMT
#28
This is a horrible idea... 1-1-1 is not some insta win build.
strava.com/athletes/zhaodynasty
jeeeeohn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1343 Posts
October 25 2011 02:01 GMT
#29
On October 25 2011 00:15 TBone- wrote:
Theres a place for rants like this, and its called The Letting Off Steam Thread, here you go http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235432

Also hate the build not the player.


I'd just like to say how cool it is that people are quoting my thread.

Anyways, normally I would agree (I'd veto ZvP in a heartbeat), but like the others have said: it won't help you get better, and eventually the ladder would stagnate as every player would veto their most hated matchup, which is usually shared by other members of their race.
If you can't jam with the best, then you have to slam with the rest.
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
October 25 2011 02:19 GMT
#30
Flank with Zealots and/or Immortal.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 25 2011 02:40 GMT
#31
You should switch to terran, you won't have to play PvT anymore.
ॐ
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
October 25 2011 08:34 GMT
#32
On October 25 2011 09:31 Anihc wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379

This build is so easy to execute for protoss to stop 1-1-1. It takes literally no micro at all from the protoss side.

Also I still get a lot of satisfaction smashing 1-1-1's.


Quoting this as this is a very difficult response to deal with as a Terran.
To hold-off 1-base pushes, you shouldn't just try to hold it off. Either attack and crush the T before (Sentry-heavy 4Gate), or FE like the linked build suggests to. You'll be ahead.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Trap 45
mouzHeroMarine 29
MindelVK 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25623
Calm 4046
EffOrt 634
Mini 404
Soulkey 168
Rush 150
hero 84
BRAT_OK 65
Dewaltoss 64
Yoon 37
[ Show more ]
Bale 29
Sharp 25
HiyA 24
Bonyth 22
Aegong 18
Shine 12
Dota 2
qojqva4463
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1070
byalli753
x6flipin409
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu271
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1752
Grubby688
Beastyqt644
ceh9513
FrodaN428
XaKoH 196
Hui .188
TKL 152
C9.Mang097
KnowMe52
QueenE48
Trikslyr41
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV259
BasetradeTV29
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 8
• Reevou 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki11
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2298
• TFBlade788
Other Games
• imaqtpie606
• WagamamaTV384
• Shiphtur198
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
6h 16m
Kung Fu Cup
17h 16m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 16h
KCM Race Survival
1d 16h
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
4 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.