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Whines about the changes HotS

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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 17:41:33
October 23 2011 16:34 GMT
#1
edited out

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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 23 2011 16:39 GMT
#2
Everything is theory crafting until they actually release it... Seems kind of ridiculous to me. :3
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 23 2011 16:40 GMT
#3
On October 24 2011 01:39 mizU wrote:
Everything is theory crafting until they actually release it... Seems kind of ridiculous to me. :3


Isn't theorycrafting frowned upon on TL? =O
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
October 23 2011 16:41 GMT
#4
So you are doing the standard whining about whining.
Sup
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 23 2011 16:41 GMT
#5
On October 24 2011 01:41 avilo wrote:
So you are doing the standard whining about whining.


Yeah, I'm totally meta-posting
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 23 2011 16:42 GMT
#6
It'd be like banning the rain for the time being. In a few weeks it'd be different to theorycraft opposed to right now.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 16:44:06
October 23 2011 16:43 GMT
#7
If you are a nobody with absolutely no credentials, you probably shouldn't be making threads in which you tell people what to think, what to do, and how to behave.

...especially if you're being completely irrational at that.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 23 2011 16:43 GMT
#8
On October 24 2011 01:42 Probe1 wrote:
It'd be like banning the rain for the time being. In a few weeks it'd be different to theorycraft opposed to right now.

Yeah, that may be true, but shit like this...
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 23 2011 16:45 GMT
#9
On October 24 2011 01:43 Talin wrote:
If you are a nobody with absolutely no credentials, you probably shouldn't be making threads in which you tell people what to think, what to do, and how to behave.

...especially if you're being completely irrational at that.

How so irrational?
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 23 2011 16:48 GMT
#10
On October 24 2011 01:45 EzraLim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 01:43 Talin wrote:
If you are a nobody with absolutely no credentials, you probably shouldn't be making threads in which you tell people what to think, what to do, and how to behave.

...especially if you're being completely irrational at that.

How so irrational?


By expecting people to not talk about the announced changes?
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
October 23 2011 16:49 GMT
#11
Thank you for this blog! I fully agree that without knowing numbers we can't even begin to discuss balance.

on that note.. the only issue I have is that they're replacing the thor with a smaller (uglier imo) thor instead of simply changing the thor (if they really want the hero unit, make it the odin). I would also say the same thing about the tempest instead of "fixing" the carrier (although it might be harder to change b/c of the name implications).
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 23 2011 16:52 GMT
#12
On October 24 2011 01:48 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 01:45 EzraLim wrote:
On October 24 2011 01:43 Talin wrote:
If you are a nobody with absolutely no credentials, you probably shouldn't be making threads in which you tell people what to think, what to do, and how to behave.

...especially if you're being completely irrational at that.

How so irrational?


By expecting people to not talk about the announced changes?


Yeah I may have not been exactly clear in the OP when referring to what I was ranting about.
Things like this are perfectly fine, but this is the kind of thrash I was referring to.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 16:59:00
October 23 2011 16:58 GMT
#13
On October 24 2011 01:52 EzraLim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 01:48 Talin wrote:
On October 24 2011 01:45 EzraLim wrote:
On October 24 2011 01:43 Talin wrote:
If you are a nobody with absolutely no credentials, you probably shouldn't be making threads in which you tell people what to think, what to do, and how to behave.

...especially if you're being completely irrational at that.

How so irrational?


By expecting people to not talk about the announced changes?


Yeah I may have not been exactly clear in the OP when referring to what I was ranting about.
Things like this are perfectly fine, but this is the kind of thrash I was referring to.


So okay, good threads are good threads, bad thread are bad threads. We had that without HotS too.

What you were saying in the OP was

I mean, if you tried out the changes at Blizzcon and you are providing us your insight from a first hand experience, I have nothing to say really. But what really bugs me is those people who just form their own opinion on the changes from the unit preview videos.


Which is something completely different.

Glad we cleared that out then.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 23 2011 16:59 GMT
#14
On October 24 2011 01:58 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 01:52 EzraLim wrote:
On October 24 2011 01:48 Talin wrote:
On October 24 2011 01:45 EzraLim wrote:
On October 24 2011 01:43 Talin wrote:
If you are a nobody with absolutely no credentials, you probably shouldn't be making threads in which you tell people what to think, what to do, and how to behave.

...especially if you're being completely irrational at that.

How so irrational?


By expecting people to not talk about the announced changes?


Yeah I may have not been exactly clear in the OP when referring to what I was ranting about.
Things like this are perfectly fine, but this is the kind of thrash I was referring to.


So okay, good threads are good threads, bad thread are bad threads. We had that without HotS too.

What you were suggesting in the OP was

Show nested quote +
I mean, if you tried out the changes at Blizzcon and you are providing us your insight from a first hand experience, I have nothing to say really. But what really bugs me is those people who just form their own opinion on the changes from the unit preview videos.


Which is something completely different.

Glad we cleared that out then.


No no, forgive me, its 1am here. What I'am complaining about is the knee jerk reaction threads that are bad.
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gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
October 23 2011 19:05 GMT
#15
tbh, the part of your post about who is qualified to talk about balance for HotS completely misses the mark. No one is qualified to discuss balance about HotS right now, except possibly for the people who have had extensive hands on time at blizzcon(and they can only commentate on the balance of the current build, not whether the units will be balanced in the release build). Even pro players come on the forums without having played HotS at all and give their knee jerk reactions.

The only thing we can really discuss is unit design, and even then we don't have full disclosure on how the units' abilities will work. Numbers can be tweaked, crazy abilities can be balanced or tweaked. Some of the design concerns about the oracle, for example, are perfectly justified. Does adding a harass unit that can't kill workers make the game boring? However, people saying that the unit will be underpowered are just speculating, no matter how well their post is written or what credentials they have. Blizzard can still tweak unit costs and energy costs to make the unit worth using.
hot fuh days
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 23 2011 20:31 GMT
#16
Should not be any threads allowed until people have actually used the units in depth.
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