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Alright guys, since I heard about the GSL Code S October having so little protoss, as a toss player myself I was curious to watch and hope that a protoss comes out and does really well. Hoping to see the protoss Nestea, but no protoss made it to round of 8.
I mean we all know Mvp is the Nestea of Terran, but who the hell is our protoss hope? MC used to be that star in the sky for us. I looked up to him as a player like no one else. But after his upsetting lost vs HongUn in the GSL, it has been downhill. He used to be THE feared protoss, it was expected that every foreign tournament he would win. And than he just dropped off. I mean Hero did better than him in Code A, not bashing Hero, but we are talking about the player who at one time had won the most money in prizes in SC2.
Who will be our hope? Or is protoss just a race you should play in the lower leagues and leave the Code S to the terrans and zergs?
I would watch replay after replay of MC learning his builds down to the second.
Is HuK going to become our Nestea, after training heavily with Puma and Idra?
 
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There's no definitive way to tell...I mean as it is now Protoss is just stagnant. It's reached a point in the metagame where some Bisu-esque breakthrough is necessary, if it is even humanly possible, given the poor design Blizzard has ultimately bestowed upon Protoss in SC2.
But yeah, you gotta remember a good game takes time to patch. Nothing is set in stone yet and with the release of HotS, I'm sure Blizzard plans to make amends to Protoss so it can be played well at the highest levels again.
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I'd say that Sage is the brightest star on the Protoss heaven right now, he is really a joy to watch and comes up with such a unique way of playing Protoss.
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JYP is showing very impressive play against zerg, but his problem is that he is very weak against terran. So I will have to say there is no protoss Nestea, but the best protoss is probably Sage.
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At the moment I'm looking hard at Sage and JYP. Both very good up and comers, but I think Sage is a bit farther ahead.
Code S players like Genius and Killer have been there for a while, and while they are pretty good, they are not improving, which is the most important part of sc2 atm. Sage and JYP have come out of relative nowhere and are tearing it up, and improving.
They are the most likely protoss heroes, but so far, its no one. we will just have to wait and see =]
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Huk is awesome cause he's a foreigner in Code S and stuff but I don't think he's beaten anyone good except Nada
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Ugh I want White-Ra to be the Protoss Nestea, but his special tactics arnt as solid as they need to be
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MC will be back. He was going through a slump, and also the patch has lessened the danger from 4-gate specialists. He is still the man.
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On October 05 2011 20:19 MattBarry wrote:
Huk is awesome cause he's a foreigner in Code S and stuff but I don't think he's beaten anyone good except Nada
He beats "good" players on a regular basis on ladder he just seems to get nervous or something at events :\
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I got this guys i got this! Just gimmie a few months! dont worry! 
But seriously looking at code A theres alot of protoss at the moment that seem to be "up and coming" ... Also i dont think MC is done yet he just seemed to hit a slump in quite an epic fashion im sure he will be back!
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Sage has some really great games and the only match up he doesn't exactly own in is PvP, so he makes a good hope for P.
HerO is pretty awesome in every match up I've seen him play.
Tails just beat MVP and Nestea back to back in the MvP vs IM Semi Finals in Teamleague, although lucky that was pretty awesome.
Plus there's JYP, who's also very good and Creator.Prime.WE. Both of them had a very good showing in the semi final of TSL vs Prime.
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On October 05 2011 20:07 ChinaLifeXXL wrote:
JYP, bro.
It's JYP.
lost to dimaga 2:0 at IEM then complained about imbalance, so nope
He isnt.
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I think Puzzle might be the guy to pull Protoss out of hell.
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Quite frankly, there isn't one.
There's no Protoss that pushes his way to the end of the GSLs, regardless of the competition (until he hits Nestea, MVP, or another really good Terran).
It's as simple as that. It'd be nice for someone to step up though
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Yeh, I dont think there is one atm, there's a few potentials that have yet to prove themselves. Maybe soon one or two (or more) will breakthrough/return to their former glory, but right now no protoss can contend with Nestea's status imo.
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There isn't a protoss nestea atm. Nestea has amazing results, unparalleled by all except for MVP. He's feared by basically everybody but the very top level terrans.
The same goes for MVP, but to a higher degree, he is by far the best TvT player, and his TvZ might even surpass MMA. Nobody's seen his TvP for ages, so maybe that's his weak matchup.
Sage, JYP and Oz are still up-and-comers, Nestea hasn't been an up-and-comer since...err, GSL1? Still, at that point he was known for his bleak BW background as a 2v2'er and coach (I think it was coach?).
So basically, until MC comes back or one of these Code A protoss really get it on in Code S we don't have a representative.
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HUK is the protoss bonjwa!!! I believe!!!
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I don't think there will be a single hero. Just builds getting tighter, stargate play being more vicious, timings coming earlier etc. Oh. And an EMP nerf.
I kid, I kid.
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Sage, JYP, and HerO have all shown amazing potential, especially in PvZ.
Unfortunately, PvT is still far from figured out and/or balanced, the best showing we have really had in PvT's has been Creator.
MC IS still a great protoss, anyone who really knows what to look for in games can see this, his control and quick* decision making can be top notch. However, he is trending into older strategies, which is not working out so well for him. His control is still showing through with WP HT and such though, and if his approach catches up to his preciseness in builds and control, he will again be a great Protoss if not the best.
Naniwa, Huk, and Sase are also very good, but being in Korea and not being able to play in the GSL/GSTL as much doesn't let a person gauge them as much.
The one surprisingly bright light for protoss will be the PvP matchup. With PvP requiring a bit more strategy and the ability to generate longer games with more possibilities and depth than the micro wars of the past, the better protoss will hopefully be able to win through more often, making sure we don't loose rising stars and aquire new ones that are only stars at PvP.
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There is no Protoss Nestea. Sage and JYP emulate some of his characteristics in their play, but they aren't in Code S, and it would be extremely tough for either of them to get a single GSL title.
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We simply need a Protoss with MC's macro, Sage's creativity, Hero's late game, and JYP's micro.
Reminds me of SC1 where if you could combine Bisu and Stork, you would get P bonjwa.
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I'd guess Perfectman.
+ Show Spoiler +Uh, not what you meant ? Sorry, we're keeping Reach =)
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On October 05 2011 20:19 MattBarry wrote:
Huk is awesome cause he's a foreigner in Code S and stuff but I don't think he's beaten anyone good except Nada
Huk beat Nestea
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Jangi is still my protoss hero.
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On October 06 2011 03:32 Cham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 20:19 MattBarry wrote:
Huk is awesome cause he's a foreigner in Code S and stuff but I don't think he's beaten anyone good except Nada Huk beat Nestea
you take that showmatch seriously?
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For sure Incontrol is the Nestea of sc2. He's probably the smartest protoss player out there.
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On October 06 2011 10:07 jazzyjazz wrote:
For sure Incontrol is the Nestea of sc2. He's probably the smartest protoss player out there.
If you want to go by intelligence, Liquid'Tyler is far smarter...problem is he doesn't have good work ethic.
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My money is on Yonghwa
Best Terran in the world, IMMVP, best Zerg, IMNestea, (arguably) 2nd best zerg in the world, IMLosira, Up and coming Terran, round of 8 code s first season in it, IMHappy.....
I'm noticing a trend, its only a matter of time before IM completes their evil plan of world domination and Yonghwa takes his place at the top. Artosis frequently mentions him as one of the last hopes of Protoss.
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I need a HerO
I’m holding on for a HerO ‘til the end of the night.
Seriously I hope Bisu or JangBi switches... I mean I'm used to 4 year droughts where my race does shit all except take every 2nd place title (Thank you Stork!) I dunno... My hopes on Nal_Ra! lol "Technical Toss comes back and ravages sc2!" would make for a good headline
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MC is one of the best players of any race in terms of mechanics, his fall-off has nothing to do with game balance, GSL just has it set up so that if you lose 4-5 Bo1's and a Bo3 you go straight from Code S to Code B.
It's easy to dismiss MC's success as "He played Protoss when it was the best race" but if you watch his subbed FPVOD he's one of the fastest and most accurate players out there. Take his forcefields for example, MC uses F-click-F-click-F-click instead of hold F-click-click-click and he gets more accuracy, but he's just as fast because he has insane hand speed. So all the FF-imba complaints that came after MC played a match should have been "MC-hand-speed-imba".
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What about Liquid Hero? Is he the protoss hero?
Can't wait till ForGG comes online though, he and MVP will be the best Terrans.
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MC.
His unit control is the best out of all P players.
His macro is the best out of all P players.
He's having a lot of strategical issues right now, but let's not forget the builds that MC created or helped popularize:
* 1 gate expand vs Z
* DT expand vs Z
* Expand -> 5 gate vs Z/T
* 1 gate Robo vs 4 Gate in PvP (even on Tal'Darim)
To say he lacks the creativity of Sage is false. MC hasn't been innovative recently, but he is by no means a cookie cutter player.
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Hopefully MC can get out of his slump and show us some new styles 
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I wonder about NexSickness sometimes...
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On October 06 2011 15:15 jalstar wrote:
MC is one of the best players of any race in terms of mechanics, his fall-off has nothing to do with game balance, GSL just has it set up so that if you lose 4-5 Bo1's and a Bo3 you go straight from Code S to Code B.
It's easy to dismiss MC's success as "He played Protoss when it was the best race" but if you watch his subbed FPVOD he's one of the fastest and most accurate players out there. Take his forcefields for example, MC uses F-click-F-click-F-click instead of hold F-click-click-click and he gets more accuracy, but he's just as fast because he has insane hand speed. So all the FF-imba complaints that came after MC played a match should have been "MC-hand-speed-imba".
Summed up well!
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MC is the next protoss MC. watch IPL end of story.
Chill, shut this fucker down.
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On October 07 2011 11:42 TORTOISE wrote:
MC is the next protoss MC. watch IPL end of story.
Chill, shut this fucker down.
Well MC's old nemesis Puma is also there, I would be VERY interested to see the finals come down to them again.
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On October 05 2011 23:35 marttorn wrote:
There isn't a protoss nestea atm. Nestea has amazing results, unparalleled by all except for MVP. He's feared by basically everybody but the very top level terrans.
The same goes for MVP, but to a higher degree, he is by far the best TvT player, and his TvZ might even surpass MMA. Nobody's seen his TvP for ages, so maybe that's his weak matchup.
Sage, JYP and Oz are still up-and-comers, Nestea hasn't been an up-and-comer since...err, GSL1? Still, at that point he was known for his bleak BW background as a 2v2'er and coach (I think it was coach?).
So basically, until MC comes back or one of these Code A protoss really get it on in Code S we don't have a representative.
Wat. Your definition of ages is less than a month? He dismantled Huk and MC last GSL dude...
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I have 100% confidence that MC will bounce back up. His mechanics are just amazing.
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On October 06 2011 03:50 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 03:32 Cham wrote:On October 05 2011 20:19 MattBarry wrote:
Huk is awesome cause he's a foreigner in Code S and stuff but I don't think he's beaten anyone good except Nada Huk beat Nestea you take that showmatch seriously?
No, I was just stating someone who he beat.
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