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NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 22:19:11
September 15 2011 22:42 GMT
#1
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My first time blogging is about a phenomenon that I've noticed on TL lately, a group of people I label as the 2010 crowd.

This group of people is a mysterious species of forum troll. They range in all manner of icon, from the lowly probe to the distinguished lurker, and are not always easy to spot at first glance. Although the more obvious sign that you're dealing with a member of this group is the 1000+ post account with a worker icon, some blend into the background of their fellow forum-goers more seamlessly.

However, sure enough, whenever there's someone flaming other users, balance whining, posting an internet meme, or just entirely derailing a thread, you'll notice something similar if you look closely enough...

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Like a subtle sign that reads, "i migrated from 4chan, u mad bro?"

Now, it's important to note here that any account made post-2010 (i.e. 2011) falls into this exclusive group of people as well. The existence of this group may even predate the arrival of SC2 to TL, as while old accounts and bad posters die off, new ones inevitably rise to take their place. Indeed, there's no strict evidence to support that this phenomenon even began in 2010, and this may instead be a semiannual breed of troll.

So when you, a civil-minded human being, are confronted with their seemingly endless numbers, what are you supposed to do? The most important first step is to identify that you're dealing with a member of the 2010 crowd. Some of these simple tips should prove useful:

Bad grammar and grammar nazis:
I guess your beyond retarded, because the governments theory of 9/11 its self a conspiracy.

A common theme among the 2010 crowd is a complete disregard for the English language. Spelling conventions, punctuation, full sentences? Forget it, they'd rather roll their palms across the keyboard.

On the other side of this coin, however, we have the grammar nazi. These people snort with derision at someone's grammar, and they derail a thread to simply point out how much smarter they are. A quick glance at their profile will often tell you what you already know about both.

Flaming other users:
but your comment is the most stupid one i've seen on any forums since internet has been implement.

A member of the 2010 crowd will often resort to ad hominem attacks, sometimes even without provocation. Although TL encourages clever flaming, the 2010 crowd does not employ wit or tact to their insults. A simple profile check will often identify him quickly.

Image macros and memes
/trollface

One of the most obvious signs of this crowd, all forms of image macros and memes invariably mean you've stumbled across one of these breeds of troll.

Balance whining
when protoss starts using more than one army ctrl group ill consider their QQ

Most of us learn quickly that here at TL, if you don't have something meaningful to contribute, then don't contribute at all. Yet somehow people still whine about balance on these forums, under the false pretenses that whining on TL will affect game design. As a sign of someone who never played SC:BW, where everything was imba, and someone who hasn't learned how to post properly here, this is a surefire sign of someone belonging to the 2010 crowd.

The troll who posts all one-liners
Build Ghosts. It's the hard counter to anything bio or with shields after all. But it's kay, we'll all just go mech.
Ghosts rape mutas, what are yo talking about?
I'm a Zerg who jokes about how Infestors are the counter to everything.
TvP, Ghosts are somehow stronger.
Two all-ins fail. Economically, we all lose.
inb4 mule joke

The trickiest troll of them all, the one-liner doesn't always post in a grossly offensive way. Instead, their posting often goes entirely unnoticed, and it won't be until the user slips up and gets a ban that their posting history comes to light. Only then, 100 posts down the road, do you realize that they've been deliberately spewing filth all over the forums. Indeed, this is the greatest enemy of them all, and he rarely survives the year.

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Your own solutions


Not all of us have the power to ban, and not all of us even have access to the report function. So what are the best answers you have at your disposal when you meet a member of the 2010 crowd?

First, remember that you used to be just like them. Maybe not last year, maybe not even ten years ago, but we weren't always the forum veterans we are today. Soon enough, 2012 will be upon us, and with that extra year of experience many members of the 2010 crowd will move on and either start posting appropriately or find another forum.

Education is key. Not everyone who posts here knows how TL is run. TL has a unique set of rules we refer to as our ten commandments, and although that image macro or inb4 lock may be fine on another forum, TL has standards. A kind private message can go a long way - it has for me before, and it will for other people. Don't derail a thread to do so, however.

Ignore them if nothing else. As hard as that may be, moderation will deal with them in time, and feeding the trolls is never the solution. A lot of the 2010 crowd just want attention, and they have no interest in learning to post better. Although it may be hard to overlook them shitting up your forum, they'll shit it up twice as fast with your encouragement.

Failing in that, you can always just avoid General and the SC2 forums. Happy posting!

***
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
September 15 2011 22:47 GMT
#2
1/5 tl;dr

User was temp banned for this post.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19053 Posts
September 15 2011 22:48 GMT
#3
dude....ghosts rape the shit outta mutas
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 15 2011 22:49 GMT
#4
What's your point? Are you trying to be funny? But gj on registering 2 years before people you call 4chan trolls; it's really distinguishing
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
September 15 2011 22:49 GMT
#5
It's entirely satirical. I'll add a disclaimer.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 15 2011 22:49 GMT
#6
On September 16 2011 07:49 NathanSC wrote:
It's entirely satirical. I'll add a disclaimer.

it's too late you hurt my feelins
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19053 Posts
September 15 2011 22:50 GMT
#7
On September 16 2011 07:49 Alejandrisha wrote:
What's your point? Are you trying to be funny? But gj on registering 2 years before people you call 4chan trolls; it's really distinguishing

He got you. He made a reference to clever trolling. Who'd have thought he'd get a bite 3 replies in?
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
September 15 2011 22:51 GMT
#8
man that 2008 crowd is still terrible
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 15 2011 22:52 GMT
#9
On September 16 2011 07:50 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 07:49 Alejandrisha wrote:
What's your point? Are you trying to be funny? But gj on registering 2 years before people you call 4chan trolls; it's really distinguishing

He got you. He made a reference to clever trolling. Who'd have thought he'd get a bite 3 replies in?


Or maybe I got him! And by transitivity, you also!
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
September 15 2011 22:55 GMT
#10
King of Bad Losers, Alejandrisha. Admit it, he got you. And me too.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 15 2011 22:55 GMT
#11
On September 16 2011 07:55 blubbdavid wrote:
King of Bad Losers, Alejandrisha. Admit it, he got you. And me too.

We can't give up that easily! 2010 fighting!!
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
September 15 2011 22:57 GMT
#12
That was taken way too seriously.
rupert
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
182 Posts
September 15 2011 23:04 GMT
#13
It's not about seniority either. Just like wine, some years made better products then other and honestly, 2007, to my expert tastes (probably better then yours, gotta admit) made the most refined posters.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
September 15 2011 23:06 GMT
#14
this shit is the dumbest thing ive ever read u shuld kill urself cuz u suck also protoss imba as fuck

...

Unfortunately, despite your disclaimer signifying satire, I think a fair amount of this is at least partly accurate. Most of the truly frustrating, ignorant, dumb-as-fuck, or insulting posts I read are made by the SCII crowd. Of course, not every 2010'er is a pile of shit poster, but for every Probe1, there are a hundred and seven SuperArcs (at least, the equivalent of SuperArc). It's more a case of the Internet than a case of new users, but that makes it no less annoying.

Also, my registration date is in 2010. T_T I only wish I had found out about TL back in '05 or so, to experience the community in its prime. I consider it a lost opportunity...
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
September 15 2011 23:06 GMT
#15
I found out what happened on Feb, 4th 2008 and was going to blame you for it but its nothing but bad news so never mind I enjoyed the read though ^^. Pretty well done, but have you actually ever used a ghost vs mutalisks? its carnage. =p
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
September 15 2011 23:06 GMT
#16
brb checking my profile for register date....
only 2008 I was sure i had been here longer! ^_^ stupid lurking and not registering; if you read this and don't have an account register immediately! you don't want to be known as the 2012 crowd.
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 23:19:19
September 15 2011 23:15 GMT
#17
On September 16 2011 08:06 Aeres wrote:
this shit is the dumbest thing ive ever read u shuld kill urself cuz u suck also protoss imba as fuck

...

Unfortunately, despite your disclaimer signifying satire, I think a fair amount of this is at least partly accurate. Most of the truly frustrating, ignorant, dumb-as-fuck, or insulting posts I read are made by the SCII crowd. Of course, not every 2010'er is a pile of shit poster, but for every Probe1, there are a hundred and seven SuperArcs (at least, the equivalent of SuperArc). It's more a case of the Internet than a case of new users, but that makes it no less annoying.

Also, my registration date is in 2010. T_T I only wish I had found out about TL back in '05 or so, to experience the community in its prime. I consider it a lost opportunity...

Singling out a year for it was arbitrary and meant in good humor. Although I do mean a certain amount of the sentiment I expressed, like there have been a lot of bad posters roaming around lately, I mostly just wanted to vent about it in a joke blog. I don't actually believe it has anything to do with join date beyond a lack of familiarity with TL. I guess I lost that in writing though.

On September 16 2011 08:06 OmniEulogy wrote:
I found out what happened on Feb, 4th 2008 and was going to blame you for it but its nothing but bad news so never mind I enjoyed the read though ^^. Pretty well done, but have you actually ever used a ghost vs mutalisks? its carnage. =p

I saw the TL attack where QXC went solely ghosts, and someone tried to counter it with muta. Yeah, it wasn't pretty.
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 23:24:01
September 15 2011 23:23 GMT
#18
As a 2005er, I fully support this post. actually, this is discrimination and has no place in our society!
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 23:40:42
September 15 2011 23:36 GMT
#19
i was going to label this as confusingly pretentious

after reading the disclaimer its just confusing :F


must be a traumatizing experience for those not used to big forums, and with that i mean how TL went from being a rather tightly knit community to a fullblown salad of ... well, everyone you could find on the internet. Theres just that much more shit to plow through to get to the quality but thats just how it goes D:

gl in your future trolling, lets see how well the post-beta crowd (rather than post 2010, cause join dates are irrelevant considering the amount of lurkers who have been lurking for far longer than their join date would indicate) rubs off on you :D
Liquipedia@jkursk
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 23:41:08
September 15 2011 23:39 GMT
#20
On September 16 2011 08:36 fusefuse wrote:
i was going to label this as confusingly pretentious

after reading the disclaimer its just confusing :F



Yea needed to be more obvious (or maybe I just haven't been trolled enough.. good or bad thing?).
The way I read it: Hey (people of which I know 1% of thousands), you are stupid trolls from 4chan. Wait you take offense? Well obviously you're too thick to get I was kidding. Here's a disclaimer. I'm on a horse

IDK maybe next time ^^
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 23:41:34
September 15 2011 23:40 GMT
#21
pretty good blog actually, i laughed

2004 crowd ftw
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
September 15 2011 23:41 GMT
#22
On September 16 2011 07:51 LosingID8 wrote:
man that 2008 crowd is still terrible

What if we lurked for years prior? :o
Hello
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
September 15 2011 23:42 GMT
#23
I was 2-3 months away from being in the 2010 crowd!!!

Whew!!
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fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
September 15 2011 23:42 GMT
#24
On September 16 2011 08:40 Cambium wrote:
pretty good blog actually, i laughed

2004 crowd ftw



haha
yes
thats one of the other expected outcomes of this blog
the token responses from people from all the other years prior to 2010
:F
Liquipedia@jkursk
Sega92
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States467 Posts
September 15 2011 23:47 GMT
#25
haha being one of the people that joined in 2010 I have noticed this myself I don't think you could have said it better, 5/5 good sir
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
September 15 2011 23:50 GMT
#26
On September 16 2011 08:06 Aeres wrote:
this shit is the dumbest thing ive ever read u shuld kill urself cuz u suck also protoss imba as fuck

...

Unfortunately, despite your disclaimer signifying satire, I think a fair amount of this is at least partly accurate. Most of the truly frustrating, ignorant, dumb-as-fuck, or insulting posts I read are made by the SCII crowd. Of course, not every 2010'er is a pile of shit poster, but for every Probe1, there are a hundred and seven SuperArcs (at least, the equivalent of SuperArc). It's more a case of the Internet than a case of new users, but that makes it no less annoying.

Also, my registration date is in 2010. T_T I only wish I had found out about TL back in '05 or so, to experience the community in its prime. I consider it a lost opportunity...

I wish protoss was imba! ^^. I thought the article itself was kind of funny though.
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
September 16 2011 00:01 GMT
#27
I must agree with the OP. These "2010 posters" are rather unpalatable for those with more refined forum tastes.

On September 16 2011 08:39 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 08:36 fusefuse wrote:
i was going to label this as confusingly pretentious

after reading the disclaimer its just confusing :F



Yea needed to be more obvious (or maybe I just haven't been trolled enough.. good or bad thing?).
The way I read it: Hey (people of which I know 1% of thousands), you are stupid trolls from 4chan. Wait you take offense? Well obviously you're too thick to get I was kidding. Here's a disclaimer. I'm on a horse

IDK maybe next time ^^


We seasoned forum members can easily pick up on the finer intricacies of a quality troll. Perhaps with time, you too will develop an appreciation for these more subtle and skillful methods.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 16 2011 00:03 GMT
#28
On September 16 2011 09:01 Slithe wrote:
I must agree with the OP. These "2010 posters" are rather unpalatable for those with more refined forum tastes.

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 08:39 Alejandrisha wrote:
On September 16 2011 08:36 fusefuse wrote:
i was going to label this as confusingly pretentious

after reading the disclaimer its just confusing :F



Yea needed to be more obvious (or maybe I just haven't been trolled enough.. good or bad thing?).
The way I read it: Hey (people of which I know 1% of thousands), you are stupid trolls from 4chan. Wait you take offense? Well obviously you're too thick to get I was kidding. Here's a disclaimer. I'm on a horse

IDK maybe next time ^^


We seasoned forum members can easily pick up on the finer intricacies of a quality troll. Perhaps with time, you too will develop an appreciation for these more subtle and skillful methods.


Perhaps ^^
I am relatively new to TL and it's my first online community @.@
And I love it with all my heart
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 16 2011 00:17 GMT
#29
April 20th 2010 was when TL started doing mass beta key giveaways. Thats a pretty solid mark.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 16 2011 00:18 GMT
#30
On September 16 2011 09:17 Zlasher wrote:
April 20th 2010 was when TL started doing mass beta key giveaways. Thats a pretty solid mark.


ughh That and day9 dailies suddenly popping up every where on the internet is why I joined in the first place don't tell them..........
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
September 16 2011 00:19 GMT
#31
On September 16 2011 07:51 LosingID8 wrote:
man that 2008 crowd is still terrible

holla (living proof)
RIP Aaliyah
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
September 16 2011 00:21 GMT
#32
lol

its funny 'cuz its true
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 00:26:17
September 16 2011 00:23 GMT
#33
On September 16 2011 09:21 MrBitter wrote:
lol

its funny 'cuz its true


tt
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
September 16 2011 00:28 GMT
#34
On September 16 2011 07:51 LosingID8 wrote:
man that 2008 crowd is still terrible


TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
September 16 2011 00:29 GMT
#35
On September 16 2011 09:23 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 09:21 MrBitter wrote:
lol

its funny 'cuz its true


tt

Don't be sad, there's always next year.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 16 2011 00:31 GMT
#36
On September 16 2011 09:29 NathanSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 09:23 Alejandrisha wrote:
On September 16 2011 09:21 MrBitter wrote:
lol

its funny 'cuz its true


tt

Don't be sad, there's always next year.


Maybe 4 years from now I'll be making a similar post and you 2008er's will be rollin around in your E-wheelchairs talking about this'n'that ^^
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 16 2011 00:34 GMT
#37
Haha, great reading.

Kinda reminds me of the comparisons between classes in high school or college. Was the class of 2004 the greatest class of them all, or do they pale in comparison to the class of 2001? Is the class of 2005 the class of trolls, and what is up with the class of 2007?

Perhaps the antics of the 2010 crowd will pale in comparison to the antics of the 2011, 2012, or 2013 crowds. Time will tell...
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
September 16 2011 00:37 GMT
#38
what happens if i've diagnosed myself as someone from 2010, what can i do about it
Translator:3
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 00:39:07
September 16 2011 00:38 GMT
#39
On September 16 2011 09:37 infinitestory wrote:
what happens if i've diagnosed myself as someone from 2010, what can i do about it


IDK you have a cool looking icon next to your name so you should be OK
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
September 16 2011 00:46 GMT
#40
I guess your beyond retarded, because the governments theory of 2010 crowd its self a conspiracy.

I was going to replace government with TL or something but it hurt my brain too much to try and change any other part of the original.
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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
September 16 2011 01:27 GMT
#41
I like to think I'm an exception to this trend.

Though, i do tend to hang with a more refined crowd than most of the rest of the 2010 posters...
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
September 16 2011 01:36 GMT
#42
What happens if you joined in 2011? Are the signs the same?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
September 16 2011 01:38 GMT
#43
On September 16 2011 10:36 Darkdeath3 wrote:
What happens if you joined in 2011? Are the signs the same?


Sadly, there is no known cure at this time.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
September 16 2011 01:51 GMT
#44
On September 16 2011 10:38 NathanSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 10:36 Darkdeath3 wrote:
What happens if you joined in 2011? Are the signs the same?


Sadly, there is no known cure at this time.

I've heard the mortality rate is frighteningly high...
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
September 16 2011 02:28 GMT
#45
Damn I suck
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 03:01:13
September 16 2011 03:00 GMT
#46
'10 represent, haters going to hate.

but I am a BW guy so that makes me cooler and very hipster imo.

True story.
WriterXiao8~~
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
September 16 2011 03:24 GMT
#47
On September 16 2011 12:00 Kipsate wrote:
'10 represent, haters going to hate.

but I am a BW guy so that makes me cooler and very hipster imo.

True story.

Fuck yeah 2010 BW hipsters!

Anyway, I don't see how this is remotely surprising. Like 80% of the TL userbase is 2010+, so 80% of the shit posters would likely also be 2010+. Even more when you consider the pre-2010 shit posters have had that much longer to get banned for being shit posters.
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 16 2011 03:40 GMT
#48
On September 16 2011 12:24 Kanil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 12:00 Kipsate wrote:
'10 represent, haters going to hate.

but I am a BW guy so that makes me cooler and very hipster imo.

True story.

Fuck yeah 2010 BW hipsters!

Anyway, I don't see how this is remotely surprising. Like 80% of the TL userbase is 2010+, so 80% of the shit posters would likely also be 2010+. Even more when you consider the pre-2010 shit posters have had that much longer to get banned for being shit posters.


That is one awesome sig you have rofl
WriterXiao8~~
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
September 16 2011 04:09 GMT
#49
On September 16 2011 10:51 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 10:38 NathanSC wrote:
On September 16 2011 10:36 Darkdeath3 wrote:
What happens if you joined in 2011? Are the signs the same?


Sadly, there is no known cure at this time.

I've heard the mortality rate is frighteningly high...

Now that hurt my feelings.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 05:23:12
September 16 2011 05:23 GMT
#50
I never realized how many people here carry an elitist mentality until I read some of the responses to this blog. Seriously, some of you take yourselves way too seriously. Lighten up.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
September 16 2011 05:47 GMT
#51
On September 16 2011 12:00 Kipsate wrote:
'10 represent, haters going to hate.

but I am a BW guy so that makes me cooler and very hipster imo.

True story.

You're a giant noob though.
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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
September 16 2011 07:49 GMT
#52
On September 16 2011 14:23 SarR wrote:
I never realized how many people here carry an elitist mentality until I read some of the responses to this blog. Seriously, some of you take yourselves way too seriously. Lighten up.


I think the average quality of a Sc2 LR thread justifies the level of elitism in this thread.
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dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
September 16 2011 08:20 GMT
#53
Stereotyping at its best. And what's the point of the disclaimer? It's only confusing. The blog is not satire, or you missed the point of satire. It's a bit of a rant cleverly disguised in a sort of elitism, by someone who joined in 2008.

Fun read though. Was impressive to see the pot I've been thrown into with such nonchalance. Is stereotyping that common? Do all people just apply characteristics to people just because of a small thing in common? Where has a person defining a person gone to?

I guess Americans are fat idiots.
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
September 16 2011 10:09 GMT
#54
On September 16 2011 17:20 dakalro wrote:
Stereotyping at its best. And what's the point of the disclaimer? It's only confusing. The blog is not satire, or you missed the point of satire. It's a bit of a rant cleverly disguised in a sort of elitism, by someone who joined in 2008.

Fun read though. Was impressive to see the pot I've been thrown into with such nonchalance. Is stereotyping that common? Do all people just apply characteristics to people just because of a small thing in common? Where has a person defining a person gone to?

I guess Americans are fat idiots.

It's satire. It's much more disguised than I intended, and that's due to my poor writing skills.

Older members of the TL community often bemoan how the forums have changed since SC2 beta began and an influx of new people arrived, which was 2010. For some proof of this, head over to the automated ban list discussion thread, or you can dig around and find more evidence elsewhere. It's not unanimous by any means. It does exist though.

So what my blog aims to hint at is that things aren't actually all that different from where they were pre-2010 ("there's no strict evidence to support that this phenomenon even began in 2010"). I'm largely calling everyone who joined after 2010 to be a troll, while being a troll myself and a community member since 2008. I call the blog a troll because it pokes fun at 80% of the forum in one go, which is the process of flamebaiting, one of the more infamous troll tactics.

People have done all those things since before 2010. So it's satire because it's an attempt at holding elitism up for ridicule, as pre-2010 or pre-SC2 members really did the same shit.

I'm not arguing that it's great satire, as I'm not a fantastic writer and I lost sight of a clear direction every now and then. I clearly could have done a much better job and probably should have spent more time on it. It was done in good humor though, and I genuinely don't mean to offend anyone.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 11:03:23
September 16 2011 10:59 GMT
#55
Yeah this has been noticeable for ages. TL should honestly crack down on low content posts in some areas of the forum at least. People come to to a thread with 1000+ posts, read none of it, post a retarded one liner, never read the thread again.

Even in a thread where there was a mod message to ask people to think 'do you need to post this' before they post there was still hundreds of pages of bullshit. Chances are in most of these threads people are just entirely repeating what someone else said anyway. So some threads are unreadable, SC2 LR being the most worthless.

And yeah i know you said you are not serious but you obviously have some truth in there.
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
September 16 2011 11:16 GMT
#56
lol the people writing the comments here are so confused....g.g.
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dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 11:47:29
September 16 2011 11:46 GMT
#57
On September 16 2011 19:09 NathanSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 17:20 dakalro wrote:
Stereotyping at its best. And what's the point of the disclaimer? It's only confusing. The blog is not satire, or you missed the point of satire. It's a bit of a rant cleverly disguised in a sort of elitism, by someone who joined in 2008.

Fun read though. Was impressive to see the pot I've been thrown into with such nonchalance. Is stereotyping that common? Do all people just apply characteristics to people just because of a small thing in common? Where has a person defining a person gone to?

I guess Americans are fat idiots.

It's satire. It's much more disguised than I intended, and that's due to my poor writing skills.

Older members of the TL community often bemoan how the forums have changed since SC2 beta began and an influx of new people arrived, which was 2010. For some proof of this, head over to the automated ban list discussion thread, or you can dig around and find more evidence elsewhere. It's not unanimous by any means. It does exist though.

So what my blog aims to hint at is that things aren't actually all that different from where they were pre-2010 ("there's no strict evidence to support that this phenomenon even began in 2010"). I'm largely calling everyone who joined after 2010 to be a troll, while being a troll myself and a community member since 2008. I call the blog a troll because it pokes fun at 80% of the forum in one go, which is the process of flamebaiting, one of the more infamous troll tactics.

People have done all those things since before 2010. So it's satire because it's an attempt at holding elitism up for ridicule, as pre-2010 or pre-SC2 members really did the same shit.

I'm not arguing that it's great satire, as I'm not a fantastic writer and I lost sight of a clear direction every now and then. I clearly could have done a much better job and probably should have spent more time on it. It was done in good humor though, and I genuinely don't mean to offend anyone.


It's not the forum trust me. Comparing 2 years ago / pre-SC2 to now is not a big change. The entire internet turned into a crapper for all the idiots due to computers and internet being easier and easier to access. Invasion of the trolls it's called. They only die by fire or acid.

Just like those drunkards on the street that feel immune, lose their sober identity, yelling and spouting shit and arguing over any little idiocy, the internet seems to give them the same power, and they use it as they use it while drunk. Most common clue is reading half the first post and misunderstanding and posting your "answer" on page 50.

PS: I got a nice big list of spec changes to the software I'm working on this morning and the entire communication protocol changed with it; about halfway through. Your post was easy venting )

PPS: Work on your writing, it's nowhere near satire on elitism. You're a self proclaimed troll though so quality doesn't matter for you I suppose.
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 12:13:14
September 16 2011 12:03 GMT
#58
I think the internet has just gone down the drain these last few years, it doesn't really have much to do with the "20xx x crowds" . However, I do come from many other gaming community's and I have noticed that the TL community tends to be much more.. soft? I'm not sure if that word best describes what I mean. So let me try to explain.

People on TL seem to be much more oblivious to trolling. They seem to get troll'd very easilly, upset very quick, and have a n extremely low tolerance for "Fun/Stupid" things. And while I don't think having a low tolerance for these sorts of things is neccessarely bad, I think it's important to realize that MOST other communities have very different environments, so for many people coming from other community's, TL community can easilly come off as carebears in this regard.

Elitism is often not taken lightly, while in other games, elitism is the standard. A prime example of this is the strategy forum. Countless times I find myself bored and looking for something to read and I find a thread that has somehow been left in the strat forum reading " HI IM JOESHOE, IM A GOLD LEAGUE X AND THIS IS MY BUILD THAT WORKS. I THINK ITS SUPER DUPER. HERE IS A BO AND BE CRUSHING OTHER GOLD PEOPLE"

And while I guess this is helpful topeople who are gold or subgold, its so often so easy to see countless flaws in most of these builds so long as you assume your opponent isn't completely horrible.

But I guess the issue with this sort of thinking is that 90%~ percent of the community is actually not on a high level. Which is again something I myself, and possibly many other people are not used to.

Maybe if top tier players had their own forum to discuss strategy where goldness mcgee and his friends with limited game knowledge could not jump in and throw in stupid troll comments like "OH LOL BUT GHOST AND INFESTOR OPOP" it would reduce the amount of trolling. I don't know.

8am rant sorry if it doesn't make sense, I'll edit when Im home in 6~hours.

@ topic.

internet has gone down the drain. many Wow-esque players. Sadness all around.

Edit : I'm 2010 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Hahaha
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
September 16 2011 12:09 GMT
#59
2010 represent,lurking since forever.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 12:23:10
September 16 2011 12:22 GMT
#60
On September 16 2011 21:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
2010 represent,lurking since forever.

me 2. I lurked since 2003

I'm not one of these scummy 2010 people!
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 12:28:28
September 16 2011 12:25 GMT
#61
On September 16 2011 21:22 SenorChang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 21:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
2010 represent,lurking since forever.

me 2. I lurked since 2003

I'm not one of these scummy 2010 people!


question,did you get your name form Community?

also,seems like my forever doesn't seem like forever anymore(2007ish...actually lets just leave it at 2008)
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
September 16 2011 12:32 GMT
#62
All those nice graphics and formatting makes me think you must be really bored.

There, a well-spelt and even formatted one-liner, 2011-style. ^^
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dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 12:53:35
September 16 2011 12:53 GMT
#63
On September 16 2011 21:03 Vlare wrote:
I think the internet has just gone down the drain these last few years, it doesn't really have much to do with the "20xx x crowds" . However, I do come from many other gaming community's and I have noticed that the TL community tends to be much more.. soft? I'm not sure if that word best describes what I mean. So let me try to explain.

People on TL seem to be much more oblivious to trolling. They seem to get troll'd very easilly, upset very quick, and have a n extremely low tolerance for "Fun/Stupid" things. And while I don't think having a low tolerance for these sorts of things is neccessarely bad, I think it's important to realize that MOST other communities have very different environments, so for many people coming from other community's, TL community can easilly come off as carebears in this regard.

Elitism is often not taken lightly, while in other games, elitism is the standard. A prime example of this is the strategy forum. Countless times I find myself bored and looking for something to read and I find a thread that has somehow been left in the strat forum reading " HI IM JOESHOE, IM A GOLD LEAGUE X AND THIS IS MY BUILD THAT WORKS. I THINK ITS SUPER DUPER. HERE IS A BO AND BE CRUSHING OTHER GOLD PEOPLE"

And while I guess this is helpful topeople who are gold or subgold, its so often so easy to see countless flaws in most of these builds so long as you assume your opponent isn't completely horrible.

But I guess the issue with this sort of thinking is that 90%~ percent of the community is actually not on a high level. Which is again something I myself, and possibly many other people are not used to.

Maybe if top tier players had their own forum to discuss strategy where goldness mcgee and his friends with limited game knowledge could not jump in and throw in stupid troll comments like "OH LOL BUT GHOST AND INFESTOR OPOP" it would reduce the amount of trolling. I don't know.

8am rant sorry if it doesn't make sense, I'll edit when Im home in 6~hours.

@ topic.

internet has gone down the drain. many Wow-esque players. Sadness all around.

Edit : I'm 2010 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Hahaha


Nothing WoW-esque unfortunately. The nicest "tech" forum I've browsed was ElitistJerks. And by comparison TL is anarchy while EJ is nazy land. But it's nice to have all the posts clear and without repetitive content or solely off-topic posts. I've got infractions on EJ for grammar (use of "imba") and useless post (repeated something already said in a 50 page forum as far as I remember). I prefer that much much more and while it couldn't work over the entire TL it might be OK for LR and Strategy.

You've certainly been hanging around the wrong WoW crowd
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
September 16 2011 13:02 GMT
#64
On September 16 2011 21:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 21:22 SenorChang wrote:
On September 16 2011 21:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
2010 represent,lurking since forever.

me 2. I lurked since 2003

I'm not one of these scummy 2010 people!


question,did you get your name form Community?

also,seems like my forever doesn't seem like forever anymore(2007ish...actually lets just leave it at 2008)

Yea I did lol, I'm terrible at naming things so I just usually name from TV characters and stuff.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 16 2011 13:41 GMT
#65
So I guess we 2011'ers are just a big pile off noobs than.
Well I'm actually glad now I didn't register back in 2010 when I found out about the site.
Better to be called a nub than a 4chan-troll
Cackle™
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
September 16 2011 13:44 GMT
#66
But now the days grow short
I'm the autumn of my years
And now I think of my life as a vintage wine
From fine old kegs
From the brim to the dregs
And it pours sweet and clear
It was a very good year
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 16 2011 21:11 GMT
#67
I'm a 2011 boy, here's to the late comers!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
September 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#68
On September 16 2011 08:40 Cambium wrote:
pretty good blog actually, i laughed

2004 crowd ftw

I hear that, reppin' 2004!
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