• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:05
CET 09:05
KST 17:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies1ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1058 users

Final Fantasy XII

Blogs > AimlessAmoeba
Post a Reply
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
September 14 2011 21:40 GMT
#1
[SPOILER: Not Starcraft-Related at all. YAY BLOGS!]

Recently there was a non-sc-related post about the Final Fantasy series on TL, and while the mood was generally positive and there was more than the healthy amount of fanboyism running rampant through the thread, I couldn't help but notice that a majority of the posters had bad things to say about FF12! That being said, I hadn't played the game, much less beaten it in almost 5 years so I decided to fire it up again to see if perhaps my younger self didn't have as much taste or class as I had previously given him credit for.

SO! As this is probably very-obviously leading itself into I have started a new file on my awesome (metal-cased, seriously) collector's edition copy of FF12 (my younger self would have paid 10 bucks extra for this, you see) and journeyed, for the first time in years, into the world of Ivalice.

I think the first thing that anyone could say about this game is even though it's a solid five years old almost to the day at this point, it's still a stunning game. It was released on the tail end of the lifespan of the PS2, and aside from the load times between screens and perhaps the lower number of active characters or NPCs on screen at a time it almost looks as if it could've been a non-HD ps3 release. The characters are vibrant as ever, their facial expressions change often and their mouths move as accurately as possible to the speech they produce (well, as good as a JRPG translation can be, I suppose) and their movements are fluid and realistic. The voice acting itself is just as good as any modern game, and certainly better than most translated ones (I think we can all just.. you know... not think about FF10's horrific voicework for just a moment, or forever) and it's non-repetitive.

The second thing that comes to mind is the story. Now, for those who aren't necessarily familiar with the Final Fantasy series you should probably know that the games have a reputation for having incredibly convoluted storylines with outrageous plotlines that oftentimes have holes in them or just don't make sense altogether. A lot of this can be attributed to the fact that they're translated games that frequently have story arcs that are rooted from japanese lore, and that's okay; this sort of thing is forgivable when you're ready for it and have experience wading around in the JRPG pond. Some of the games, the early ones in particular, didn't have incredibly complex plots (Get these crystals! Kill that one guy!) so this didn't have to be criticized but in the modern age of technology it has become possible to tell an epic tale and if it's not delicately handled, you end up with (by the way, the games I'm about to list I still enjoyed thoroughly, I've never met a FF from the main series that I didn't like) Final Fantasy VIII's evil, non-corporeal sorceress from the future, or Final Fantasy X's angry father trapped in a giant fish-monster trapped in a world that doesn't actually exist but oh wait actually it does but really doesn't, or Final Fantasy's XIII where, well, I'm not sure that anyone really knows what exactly happens in that game... L'cie? I mean, Really?

*Phwew*.

What I'm trying to get at here in so few words is that XII's plot wasn't necessarily the BEST but it was tangible. And good. A political tale about a neutral nation that was annexed, on the surface by war, but underneath, by deception and murder. It shows you this right off the bat and builds on it. You've got characters that are believable enough (barring Fran's bunny ears of course), an evil empire that is slowly eating the whole world, and a MASSIVE world to explore and take it all in at the same time.

Anyway, that's enough for now. I'm going to explain more about this as time goes on and I play through a bit more but I'm only about 6 hours in and I have class shortly. In the next post, I'll talk about the controversial battle system, the quality of the progression of FF12 and the evolution of how Square has handled the overworld in the final fantasy series.

Cheers!

-Chris

Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
September 14 2011 21:48 GMT
#2
I actually really enjoy FFXII, but it's not really a normal type for the FF series (being a die-hard FF fan myself...), I understand why people didn't like it, it doesn't really "fit", you know?

That being said, I thought the plot was unusually politically driven for an FF game, which was a nice twist, and the massive amount of exploring and powering and stuff you could do was really neat. Fun game overall. Plus, Fran's accent is hot.
Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 03:52:41
September 14 2011 21:58 GMT
#3
I remember being hyped as fuck about FFXII before it came out, I practically bought Dragon Quest VIII just to get the FFXII demo disc that came with it.

Personally, I enjoyed it quite alot. The story is rather simplistic but by the end you realize that its a bit deeper.
+ Show Spoiler +
Vayne wasn't evil just for the sake of it, I think he was a good person at heart, he was just used by the Occuria for their means.

Most of the characters were pretty cliche as expected from a FF game, but they tell their story well and they progress nicely as the game goes on.

The combat system was kinda wierd though, it's like playing an MMO with computer characters. It's a bit too easy as well, you can just set their gambits and they just go on auto-pilot.

The world map is just a relic nowadays I think. FFXII didnt have a world map, but theres no real need since everything is connected to something else, you could always travel to it, or just transport there from the crystals.
"Practice, practice, practice. And when you're not practicing you should be practicing. It's the only way to get better. The only way." I run the Smix Fanclub!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 14 2011 22:06 GMT
#4
Never played it, but can't stop listening to that battle theme.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
September 14 2011 22:14 GMT
#5
On September 15 2011 06:58 Enki wrote:
I remember being hyped as fuck about FFXII before it came out, I practically bought Dragon Quest VIII just to get the FFXII demo disc that came with it.


Haha, I did that too... Played both scenarios in the demo like 20 times each.
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
September 14 2011 22:24 GMT
#6
FFXII was fucking awesome

I loved the game alot, though i did so much content (and automated leveling on that necromancer thingy, can't remember it's name LOL) that the last boss was ridiculously easy. Good game apart from that though. Can't remember the exactly play time on my save but i think it was 70+ hours :D
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
TheFrankOne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States667 Posts
September 14 2011 22:27 GMT
#7
I love FFXII, including the gambit system. In fact, I think you have made me want to start up a game right now.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
September 14 2011 22:45 GMT
#8
the plot was cool, the combat system blew
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
September 14 2011 22:49 GMT
#9
I still have yet to finish FFXII. College started, didn't bring my ps2 for multiple reasons, and then all my game systems got put into storage by my parents. One day I will dig them out and return to this and finish it, along with I believe...Tales of the Abyss.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9105 Posts
September 14 2011 22:51 GMT
#10
I enjoyed FFXII though I thought the ending and final boss were a bit disappointing. I also didn't do nearly all the quests and exploration possible. Van was a bit annoying but w/e.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 15 2011 00:37 GMT
#11
Funny, I just redid the game. I hate everything story related, but I like everything else. Actually I replayed it while knowing too much stuff, so I ruined my playthrough by having too good weapons too early, but hey, that's my fault :D But that's why I liked it too, even if I like all FF's, this one has much more freedom. Usually you can't have item X before the game decide it, in FF12 a lot of options are possible in the early game.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1d 3h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft670
Ketroc 54
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 56088
firebathero 1504
actioN 257
Larva 246
sorry 125
ZergMaN 83
Dewaltoss 74
Yoon 58
Killer 52
ajuk12(nOOB) 50
[ Show more ]
Sharp 24
GoRush 20
Bale 10
League of Legends
JimRising 612
C9.Mang0413
Counter-Strike
summit1g8627
minikerr35
shoxiejesuss34
Other Games
Mew2King93
NeuroSwarm56
Trikslyr31
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick691
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 48
• LUISG 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• iopq 0
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• HappyZerGling101
Other Games
• Carefoot0
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
1d 3h
Gerald vs YoungYakov
Spirit vs MaNa
SHIN vs Percival
Creator vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.