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Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
August 16 2011 01:43 GMT
#1
Today i laddered 6 games. Probably will do more after my workout but thats the most i've ever done in one day. I'm one of those ladder anxiety kids.

Anyways while laddering i went to liquipedia and picked up the 4 gate build order. I never knew how cause i'm a rockin silver player. I played 2 gold players back to back and won both times. I've played about 8 games this season and i think 4 have been vs gold players or rank 1-8 silver players. Gold here i comeee

First game was a PvP on Abyssal Caverns. The spawn positions were top right and bottom right(me). He held xel'naga tower and only saw my wall off. He went nexus after core and had 3 stalkers at his expo when i had 6 stalkers and 4 zealots. Pretty one sided affair.

Second game was a PvT on Abyssal Caverns with the exact same spawns accept i was top this time. He scouted my 4 gate right after i got the 3 extra gates down. My first stalker came out as this happened, finished off his scv and i moved out with my zealot, stalker and a probe. Setup my proxy at the gold between our bases, making sure to avoid the xel'naga. Warped in a round of 3 stalkers and 1 zealot there. Moved to right out side his natural and setup another proxy and warped in 2 sentires 1 stalker and 1 zealot. Moved into to see 3 bunkers at his natural with the orbital just starting to land.

He had quite a bit. All the bunkers looked full with marauders plus a few outside of bunkers with 5 or 6 marines and a couple scv's to repair. I took out the first bunker only losing couple zealots and he got his scv's in time to repair the 2nd so i backed out. Warped in 3 zealots and a stalker. Chrono'd all 4 gates and moved all my stalkers into his natural mineral line to stop any mining. He moved the CC back to his base. He pretty much donated 6 marines and 2 marauders at this point because he didn't empty his bunkers and pull all his units to kill my 8 stalkers.

I kill that force of his. Warp in 2 more zealots and 2 stalkers. Push from both out side his natural and his mineral line. Crush him at that point.

So basically i found out that 4gate is kinda oppppppppppppppppp in lower leagues. Not hard to do really at all. Little micro helps but thats not to much of a problem. I'm wondering if it's good to use 4gate as your "base" strategy? I usually rely on 3 gate robo into expand as my standard build which works good assuming i read my opponent decently correct. But ya just wondering if 4gate is ok for a standard build.

tl;dr Is 4 gate ok for a standard build in silver?

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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
August 16 2011 01:49 GMT
#2
Imo you shouldn't rely on 4-gate as a standard build. Also, it's mostly a PvP build (sometimes PvZ), and if you fail it you can be significantly behind. It's best to try to learn reactive play as soon as possible.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 16 2011 01:50 GMT
#3
Try playing macro games if you want to play in higher leagues.
4gate can only get you so far...
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diarsenic
Profile Joined July 2011
United States385 Posts
August 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#4
I only recommend doing 4gate in PvP, but eventually you will get to a point where your opponents will be able to easily counter it, so you still need to learn some economical builds like 3gate robo or something
In other match-ups, i dont recommend 4gating.
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KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
August 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#5
you should learn 1 build per match up. 4 gate can get you far but..if you want to improve, I wouldn't recommend it as a standard build except in PvP.
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Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
August 16 2011 01:55 GMT
#6
Kk thanks for the quick replies. I still typically go 3 gate expo. I prefer that but some of the zergs i've been playing lately.. trippin me up xD

Thanks again i'll work on de macro!
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jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
August 16 2011 02:12 GMT
#7
4gate won't allow you to beat the cheesers who like to DT rush in gold+.

My advice is to just play simple, standard, defensive macro. Go 2gate robo and expand. If you can do that well you will beat any silver or gold.

lol and play more than 6 games...
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Alisera
Profile Joined June 2011
United States71 Posts
August 16 2011 02:14 GMT
#8
Good job on 6 games in a row! Thats really good for someone with ladder anxiety. =D Im in silver too and sometimes I 4gate all my games if I get too nervous to do anything else. Its an easy build to follow!
Bartiemus
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand84 Posts
August 16 2011 02:25 GMT
#9
Nothing like a new Season to gain the desire to play again I will get promoted to Gold this season I swear it Also good blog and good luck I know your pain of ladder anxiety.
Id rather just kill you and call it a day.
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
August 16 2011 02:27 GMT
#10
If you're going to 4 gate your goal should be to hit right after your first warpin (which should happen at a forward pylon) so you'll hit with 6 units.
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Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
August 16 2011 02:28 GMT
#11
On August 16 2011 11:12 jdseemoreglass wrote:
4gate won't allow you to beat the cheesers who like to DT rush in gold+.

My advice is to just play simple, standard, defensive macro. Go 2gate robo and expand. If you can do that well you will beat any silver or gold.

lol and play more than 6 games...


4 gate hits at ~545. DTs come out ~7 iirc.
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Fortis
Profile Joined August 2011
Estonia63 Posts
August 16 2011 02:30 GMT
#12
You're off to a great start! Once you get laddering down to habit and dissociate emotion from it, you will be able to do 10-20 games daily no sweat, no delay. That's when you really start getting results, making progress! Good luck!
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
August 16 2011 02:56 GMT
#13
My recommendation for your 3 builds to learn:

PvP: 4 Gate
PvZ: 3 Gate Sentry expand
PvT: 2 Gate Robo

You basically do these 3 builds until you get to masters.

Liquipedia will have the actual build orders for the first two. Use this build here courtesy of CecilSunkure for your 2 gate robo.

Happy laddering.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 16 2011 03:32 GMT
#14
6games is a lot. Keep it up and pretty soon that pesky social life of yours will be a thing of the past!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Archybaldie
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom818 Posts
August 16 2011 03:41 GMT
#15
Keep on trucking! You can get to gold and dont forget yell it from the roof tops when you get there! :D
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 16 2011 03:52 GMT
#16
On August 16 2011 11:28 Shaetan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 11:12 jdseemoreglass wrote:
4gate won't allow you to beat the cheesers who like to DT rush in gold+.

My advice is to just play simple, standard, defensive macro. Go 2gate robo and expand. If you can do that well you will beat any silver or gold.

lol and play more than 6 games...


4 gate hits at ~545. DTs come out ~7 iirc.

Dt builds that cut sentries can have a dark shrine up ~6
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
August 16 2011 03:53 GMT
#17
Good job
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Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
August 16 2011 03:55 GMT
#18
I clicked out of your blog as soon as I read "6 games" ...but I came back.

Think of this. You're playing against other kids in their bedrooms on a video game on a computer. You're psyching yourself out completely. These guys couldn't beat you up in real life, and most likely have lives outside of the game.

Remember to have fun and do whatever you want. Stop freaking out about going down in rank and play play play... There's no other way to get high rank. This is the first time (before BW) that ladder hasn't freaked me out, and it's gotten me into Masters as soon as I stopped caring. The only difference between Silver and Masters is mechanics and game sense. I can sure as hell tell you that those don't come from build orders (though those are nice^^), so do what you want and be a better gamer.

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CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 04:13:00
August 16 2011 04:06 GMT
#19
This is so funny

"Today I learned to 4gate, I did it 6 times, now I'm going to the gym"

Haha, in all seriousness, ladder fear is a tough hurdle to get over, but once you do, you just kind of realise how silly it is. Congrats

Also, ignore what these people are saying about not doing 4gate. Learning one build that works in all matchups and isn't very hard is a great way to learn a bit about how the game works, and to become a lot better with your basic control. Once you get to the point where you need to learn to play a more long-term game, you'll know

EDIT: There's also no point trying to learn to play macro games vs. silver opponents. Although you'll get beat a bit, it's best to try to stick it out with players that are better than you. It's the best way to develop as a player
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