• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:18
CEST 14:18
KST 21:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting9[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET2Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)80Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition32
StarCraft 2
General
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada herO Talks: Poor Performance at EWC and more... Revisiting the game after10 years and wow it's bad Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO
Tourneys
$1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st) WardiTV Mondays RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET BW General Discussion Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game [Interview] Grrrr... 2024 Pros React To: BarrackS + FlaSh Coaching vs SnOw
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal B SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal A
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Current Meta Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Heroism of Pepe the Fro…
Peanutsc
Rocket League: Traits, Abili…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1469 users

Jedclark Becomes a Pro Gamer #1

Blogs > Jedclark
Post a Reply
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 21:26:41
August 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1
I was recently considering the idea of being a pro gamer, and how cool it would be. It will also be very hard, so I am just going to write up what I am doing, and the progress I have made in here. Much like Hyungjoon in episode 1, I am a scrub (bronze league lol), so I am going to abuse all the resources available to me:

  • Liquipedia
  • Day9
  • (hopefully) You - please give tips, or things I can work on, as I can upload some replays for you to watch and criticise
    (Unfortunately, I can't walk into the oGs training house and befriend pro gamers, so I'll need your help.)


Week #1: Bronze Rank (will update next sunday)

Replays will be in the spoilers.


TvT

I have many problems with the TvT matchup, I usually go for a mix of marines/marauders/tanks/medivacs, and when I set up contains, even if I macro, they just kill me, so my contains need some work.

+ Show Spoiler +

  • http://sc2rep.net/replays/starcraft-2-replay-t-che-vs-t-cloudfury-nerazim-crypt-08-15-2011 - My contain that went wrong





TvP

My TvP is not bad, I usually open with the 3rax, as it is simple, and a good aggressive opening.

+ Show Spoiler +

  • http://sc2rep.net/replays/starcraft-2-replay-t-cloudfury-vs-p-rayl-antiga-shipyard-08-15-2011 - A
    successful TvP, where I open with 3rax and win.



TvZ

My worst matchup would probably be TvZ, once they get mutas. They can easily kill turrets, he forces my marines to stim a lot, as they are fast, and they can magic box my Thors, so I am unsure how to deal with them.

+ Show Spoiler +

  • http://sc2rep.net/replays/starcraft-2-replay-t-cloudfury-vs-z-escape-shakuras-plateau-08-15-2011 - A hellion opening that went wrong due to his baneling busting antics.




Please comment with advice, tips, and things I did wrong. Thanks. <3

*
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
August 14 2011 20:48 GMT
#2
Best of Luck
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 21:01:24
August 14 2011 20:54 GMT
#3
heres advice for a bronze player.

worry about mechanics more than creativity/builds. have a solid build in mind, have like 4-5 checkpoints for your build and focus on constantly producing units. the thing is at bronze you can literally produce only marines and scvs and win by managing resources and constantly producing.

after that worry about builds counters etc. and when you study replays, you study them you don't watch them. ask why the pros do so and so, not they do so and so so you should too.

people worry about builds, countering, tactics but that's just from a watcher perspective. player skill and mechanics are left out on a lot of peoples minds when it comes to improving
Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada646 Posts
August 14 2011 21:04 GMT
#4
Reality check- Hyungjoon would have been atleast Diamond level. So, no scrub.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 14 2011 21:08 GMT
#5
I don't know how much of Hyungjoon's skill was fake / just for show, but iirc in episode 1 the only thing he knew how to do in Starcraft was 4 pool or something.

So yeah, I'd put that in the bronze league category (even if it was Brood War ).
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
August 14 2011 21:10 GMT
#6
On August 15 2011 05:54 shawster wrote:
heres advice for a bronze player.

worry about mechanics more than creativity/builds. have a solid build in mind, have like 4-5 checkpoints for your build and focus on constantly producing units. the thing is at bronze you can literally produce only marines and scvs and win by managing resources and constantly producing.

after that worry about builds counters etc. and when you study replays, you study them you don't watch them. ask why the pros do so and so, not they do so and so so you should too.

people worry about builds, countering, tactics but that's just from a watcher perspective. player skill and mechanics are left out on a lot of peoples minds when it comes to improving


What should I look at when watching replays?
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
August 14 2011 21:25 GMT
#7
On August 15 2011 06:10 Jedclark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 05:54 shawster wrote:
heres advice for a bronze player.

worry about mechanics more than creativity/builds. have a solid build in mind, have like 4-5 checkpoints for your build and focus on constantly producing units. the thing is at bronze you can literally produce only marines and scvs and win by managing resources and constantly producing.

after that worry about builds counters etc. and when you study replays, you study them you don't watch them. ask why the pros do so and so, not they do so and so so you should too.

people worry about builds, countering, tactics but that's just from a watcher perspective. player skill and mechanics are left out on a lot of peoples minds when it comes to improving


What should I look at when watching replays?

Production tab.
the farm ends here
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
August 14 2011 21:26 GMT
#8
On August 15 2011 06:25 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:10 Jedclark wrote:
On August 15 2011 05:54 shawster wrote:
heres advice for a bronze player.

worry about mechanics more than creativity/builds. have a solid build in mind, have like 4-5 checkpoints for your build and focus on constantly producing units. the thing is at bronze you can literally produce only marines and scvs and win by managing resources and constantly producing.

after that worry about builds counters etc. and when you study replays, you study them you don't watch them. ask why the pros do so and so, not they do so and so so you should too.

people worry about builds, countering, tactics but that's just from a watcher perspective. player skill and mechanics are left out on a lot of peoples minds when it comes to improving


What should I look at when watching replays?

Production tab.


Things like that are obvious, but why should I be looking for, in order to improve?
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
August 14 2011 21:30 GMT
#9
On August 15 2011 06:26 Jedclark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:25 PartyBiscuit wrote:
On August 15 2011 06:10 Jedclark wrote:
On August 15 2011 05:54 shawster wrote:
heres advice for a bronze player.

worry about mechanics more than creativity/builds. have a solid build in mind, have like 4-5 checkpoints for your build and focus on constantly producing units. the thing is at bronze you can literally produce only marines and scvs and win by managing resources and constantly producing.

after that worry about builds counters etc. and when you study replays, you study them you don't watch them. ask why the pros do so and so, not they do so and so so you should too.

people worry about builds, countering, tactics but that's just from a watcher perspective. player skill and mechanics are left out on a lot of peoples minds when it comes to improving


What should I look at when watching replays?

Production tab.


Things like that are obvious, but why should I be looking for, in order to improve?

Perhaps obvious, but probably most important. All important questions are answered through production:

Are you constantly producing scvs? are you constantly producing units? Are you queuing up too many units? Are you starting to drop an expo? Are you keeping your money low by making new unit building structures to meet your new base saturation? Are you upgrading?

The only tab you really need open for an entire replay is production to see why things were started late or not.
the farm ends here
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
August 14 2011 21:32 GMT
#10
So beyond the focusing on mechanics that people are inevitably going to tell you to do (for good reason, this is what you need to improve the most):

TvT: Mech is easier to execute and better in the current metagame.

TvP: 3rax is pretty allin if you don't do damage or get a rock solid contain up on him, you can 2rax and still put on pressure while getting an expo up. If you want to work on mechanics, you need to put yourself in more difficult situations in order to exercise them, and doing one basey builds is not the way to do that.

TvZ: Watch MVP vs. DRG on Xelnaga caverns from the most recent MLG about how to deal with mutalisks. MVP completely shut down all forms of harass while still getting an army up to push. Really impressive play from him, though the map is pretty terran favored in that MU.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
August 14 2011 21:51 GMT
#11
On August 15 2011 06:32 Sc1pio wrote:
So beyond the focusing on mechanics that people are inevitably going to tell you to do (for good reason, this is what you need to improve the most):

TvT: Mech is easier to execute and better in the current metagame.

TvP: 3rax is pretty allin if you don't do damage or get a rock solid contain up on him, you can 2rax and still put on pressure while getting an expo up. If you want to work on mechanics, you need to put yourself in more difficult situations in order to exercise them, and doing one basey builds is not the way to do that.

TvZ: Watch MVP vs. DRG on Xelnaga caverns from the most recent MLG about how to deal with mutalisks. MVP completely shut down all forms of harass while still getting an army up to push. Really impressive play from him, though the map is pretty terran favored in that MU.


I just lost doing the 3rax, the guy pushed out when he had 2colossi. I think he went 2gate robo. It was effective, as I didn't have vikings out.

I will do at some point, have you got a link to it? The MLG site is horribly laid out, at least it was the last time I tried to find a replay.
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
neSix
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1772 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 23:02:37
August 14 2011 23:01 GMT
#12
I hate to be a cynic, so for the record I do wish you luck and hope you succeed with your goal.

But to be realistic, we really can't give you substantial advice that will launch you easily into NA Grandmasters. Sure we can give you suggestions that will improve your play, but it will take determination and dedication (read: years of hard fucking work) if you're coming up from bronze league. The guys that are doing well today are the guys that have enough talent that they've never been in bronze league.

[edit]Also rather than just leave it at that, I would recommend trying to find a tight-knit group of guys that you can practice if you want to improve quickly.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #97
CranKy Ducklings94
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 534
Lowko341
IndyStarCraft 53
BRAT_OK 35
MindelVK 24
trigger 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31938
Calm 9174
Rain 5414
Horang2 1995
Bisu 1946
actioN 1779
GuemChi 1082
Flash 738
Jaedong 712
Mini 394
[ Show more ]
firebathero 353
Stork 253
Last 243
Hyun 169
Barracks 113
Soulkey 86
ggaemo 73
hero 71
ToSsGirL 67
Backho 40
JYJ32
Free 32
sas.Sziky 25
Sacsri 20
soO 18
HiyA 13
scan(afreeca) 11
ivOry 8
Hyuk 3
Dota 2
XcaliburYe1430
420jenkins445
Fuzer 243
KheZu29
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor264
Other Games
summit1g16207
singsing2554
B2W.Neo856
DeMusliM309
Happy204
Mew2King152
ViBE70
Trikslyr17
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH144
• Adnapsc2 17
• StrangeGG 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler62
League of Legends
• Nemesis2957
• Jankos2839
Upcoming Events
BSL Team A[vengers]
1h 42m
Bonyth vs Paralyze
StRyKeR vs Ample
Safe House 2
4h 42m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
21h 42m
Safe House 2
1d 4h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.