Tastosis Casting and Misanalysis - Page 6

On August 11 2011 21:41 Kraznaya wrote:


Please, read the entirety post before making assumptions on what was said.

On August 11 2011 21:39 Kraznaya wrote:

Obviously analysis in hindsight is much easier to do. I don't expect from Artosis (the analysis portions of) this essay when I listen to him cast, not even five years from now. In fact, if you read my post more carefully, you'll see that I didn't actually take issue with him misreading Keen's build as an all in INITIALLY. It's the continued unwillingness to admit error, colored by bias, as well as mistakes reading basic tactics (Tasteless and Terran drops) that irk me.

On August 11 2011 21:49 lolsixtynine wrote:
Tasteless lost his passion years ago

That's the voice I read this entire post in.

"admittedly high" is a good starting point to realizing that your expectations are heinously unrealistic. Because seriously man, you are REALLY coming across as a basement dweller that doesn't have a friend to share his hobby with. If that's the case (and it's fine, by the way. I don't look down on people who have that problem, and rebutting it will serve no purpose) then I'd suggest looking around your uni and finding a group (or hell, starting one) that's into starcraft. You sound isolated to the degree that you can't EXPRESS your love for the game in any way except higher and higher demands of people you've never met.

I'd also suggest dicking around more in games and taking it less seriously. What league are you? I was mid-masters when I played standard, but now I'm platinum because I do things like build 66 ravens in a TvZ every game now. Play some 2v2's. Do some funday monday challenges. Your overtones about a GAME are far too serious. Taking anything that seriously is unhealthy. Same goes for my girlfriend's little sister, who makes olympic trial cuts in swimming. She is a jaded, one-dimensional person because of her unhealthy obsession with her passions.

The truth here, brotato, is that you aren't criticizing tastosis. You are ATTACKING and INSULTING them. There is something constructive to be gleaned from your OP, sure, but it's mired in the most antisocial nerd language that I've read in a long time. Constructive criticism is mixing good with bad. Things they're doing wrong, how they can do it better, why you feel it needs improvement. Not just nitpicking at caster mishaps, abjectly insulting one of them as a person, and doing nothing but saying all the crap you dislike about them and their casting style.

If you really dislike them that much, stop watching them. That's as strong a vote against them as anything else.

On August 11 2011 21:46 Senx wrote:


You're calling tasteless uninformed, that he calls things wrong and that he lacks passion.

You're calling artosis biased but that he has improved since switching to protoss.

This was my response.

On August 11 2011 21:49 Honeybadger wrote:


Let's think of it this way. If your analysis is so fantastic, why do you even listen to them? I certainly don't listen to anyone's strategic analysis in TvX because I want to draw my own conclusions as the game progresses and see how right (or wrong) they are.

Tastosis for me is just entertainment. So I don't really care to criticize them. That's not to say there is no room for it, but I just am secure enough in my understanding of the game that I don't care about their analysis. And it's not like they're doing any harm by being wrong. Players who lose in everything from masters to bronze are not going to lose more because tastosis made the wrong call in analysis. They're going to keep losing because their macro/micro/refinement sucks.

On August 11 2011 21:48 Kashll wrote:
You make some points that are good, and some that are bad.

All in all though all I have to say is you try to pick up a microphone and do better. Casting is notoriously easy to do in your head (when you don't actually have to talk to anyone) and notoriously hard to do when you have to actually speaking the words. Try to be perfectly accurate about a game while constantly talking and trying to maintain a logical flow of thought. It's pretty hard.

Seriously just listen to a recording of yourself casting or even just talking to someone, and you will feel self-conscious. Things sound a lot better in our heads than they come out.

Sure I agree, Tastosis get a lot of things wrong. At the bottom line they are fairly entertaining, energetic, and if you're a smart enough player (which you seem to be) you can fill in the gaps yourself. It certainly beats watching Brood War vods on Jon747 or Nevake while three people scream a language that you can't understand. (Not that I didn't love certain things about watching starcraft with Korean commentators, they have a charm of their own, but it can be nice to understand the commentary too).

On August 11 2011 21:51 Kraznaya wrote:
This is pretty hilarious because

1) I belong to the USC Esports CSL Team and Club, and hang out weekly with them, joking about shit like how retarded casters are sometimes.
2) I was a masters Terran Seasons 1 and 2, and I did exactly as you suggested this season by dropping all the way to silver and winning games doing stupid shit like mass sentries to troll noobs.

3) You're here ranting about my criticisms of a public figure, something that everyone takes part in from time to time, while you obtain to try to do some retarded amateur psychoanalysis on me. I mean, who does that? Sounds like you're the weirdo with too much time on his hands trying to psychoanalyze random people on the Internet you disagree with.

Oh boo hoo, my post had hostile language! Who could've expected such when it was a critical post? Tastosis have thousands of people to shower them with praise and tell them what they're doing right. They need people to be honest with them and tell them what they're doing wrong.

On August 11 2011 21:53 Kraznaya wrote:


And I wrote this post with the intention to highlight ways that they could improve, and point out that they do mistakes, in order to try to improve their casting and dispel myths about it at the same time.

On August 11 2011 22:03 Jibba wrote:
Wow, HoneyBadger, you've taken the douche-crown away from the OP. Congratulations.

On August 11 2011 22:00 Honeybadger wrote:


IIRC, the CSL is still Brood war, is it not? or did they upgrade into SCII?

"trolling noobs" is a bad argument for you. You're really just drawing back in on the antisocial nature of your post that you're now being called out to defend. I'd wager a guess that you're particularly BM in your games, as well.

Keep talking, broceratops. All you're doing is just driving home my very standard psychoanalysis with defensive explanations. Did I mention that I'm in medical school? Psych profiles are part of my job. And you are fitting a very distinct mold more closely with every sentence you spit out.

I never even said you should tell them what they're doing right. I said, very clearly, that you should tell them what they're doing wrong, how they can fix it, and why you think so (you don't even need to include the how to fix comment, though the harsher your language, the more necessary it is for not appearing like a retarded troll.)

It's called Tact. learn it, it's kind of important in life.