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SoniC_eu
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Denmark1008 Posts
April 20 2012 11:42 GMT
#221
On August 23 2011 23:12 Montana[TK] wrote:
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On August 13 2011 01:30 OneOther wrote:
Usually not a fan of these threads, but your points are actually valid for the most part. People assume such defensive positions against criticisms on Tasteless and Artosis, it's not very productive at all. The OP's suggestions could help improve the commentators, and each point had sound reasoning and evidence.

I have been a fan of Artosis' casting for a long time, especially back in the Brood War days. Despite some first-hand experiences of his bad manner online, I have always respected his casting. For me, Artosis' bias does not bother me as much as Tasteless' simple incapability. I view Tasteless as the main problem, not Artosis. I don't find Tasteless' jokes funny, his analysis are often so wrong, his exaggerations are tiresome, and his understanding of the game is simply lacking. I have always felt this way about him since Brood War. I like him as a person, especially for his hard work for the community, but I honestly have no idea why he is regarded so high in terms of commentating. He has never been good.

Artosis often has to agree with Tasteless' dumb analysis because he doesn't want to make him look stupid. This hampers their commentating as a duo.

EDIT: In my opinion, Chill is the best commentator around. He has the ideal balance of analysis, humor and other intangibles. (His jokes are actually funny/witty, unlike Tasteless and Artosis making critter jokes - hated listening to those 'tasteless' lines for a long time now) Guys like Chill and Day9 can't even be compared to Tasteless, and I hope there will be more commentators like them in the future for our community.


I'm happy to see someone else make the point I am about to.

Tasteless is the problem. Every time a Kpop girl appears on screen he makes some dumb joke about how he wants to marry her and even after the joke has died he continues on with "i actually decide who i want to spend the rest of my life with by looking at 3 second clips at the start of starcraft 2 games". This is just one example of many a lame jokes, and while this issue is certainly subjective, I am not the only one to feel that way, yearning for more professionalism in his casting.

He constantly mis-analyzes situations and it's actually amazing how Artosis can time and time again come up with phrases that don't let Tasteless look like the fool he is in that moment.

It's actually come to a point where they almost NEVER disagree with eachother and do their best to find a way to make every one but the most obvious of blunders seem intentional. Now is leaving these mistakes unrectified good or bad? I don't think every single mistake should be corrected, because that'd take up the majority of casting time, but I do wish that in response to Tasteless' "Oh my god, Player X is completely falling apart", Artosis would - in case Tasteless is actually wrong - more often say "Well I think that he's actually ahead at the moment" instead of "Yeah those blue flame hellions certainly killed quite a few units" and then trying to mix in more unrelated correct analyses to elevate the level of the cast.

Tasteless obviously doesn't have his heart in Starcraft 2 like he did in BW. The only analogies we ever hear out of him are in relation to BroodWar. When asked what he does in his spare-time it comes down to playing video games that aren't SC2 and going out partying and then "some voice acting stuff" almost as an afterthought.

When Tasteless says "I'm gonna go home and play with THIS build", do you really believe him? Artosis constantly talks about watching VODs and how he's trying to figure out the current meta-game in Korea. The only thing we really hear from Tasteless in this regard is that he likes to do the Tasteless build on this map. Oh and he likes Cloak Banshee openers in TvT.

I don't want to say Tasteless needs to stop casting, because he's obviously very experienced at what he does but I think that

1) The stupid jokes need to stop
Can you even imagine a professional sports caster from another sport talking about going on a date with Kerrigan?
2) The repeating of Artosis needs to stop
try and listen for that, in every cast there's at least 5 occasions of Tasteless repeating Artosis' exact words with a slightly exaggerated inflection just seconds after
3) He needs to put more work into SC2
the Korean casters are all highly ranked Masters players and put their heart and soul into casting SC2, whereas for Tasteless it seems more like a nice hobby that he does on the side.

I would'nt have such a big problem with his casting if he were actually mature about reacting to criticism. But instead we just hear the sarcastic "All the angry forum nerds are saying "Tasteless has lost his passion" and "You're ruining Esports" hahahahaha".

Also:
Who do Tastosis think they are, cricizing a coach's decision who to send out in GSTL, when they don't even fucking recognize so many Korean players before the producers blend in their name? It's actually kind of sad when I recognize many more players than Tastosis in a single GSTL match, even though I'm a college student, for whom SC2 is just a hobby. And it's not even an issue for them, they say "Well ... we don't actually know all of the korean pros by face".

Well, you should. It's your job.


+1 to this. This very accurately describes what I feel about tasteless. The only reason I watch GSL (with a paid ticket) is mainly cos of artosis, wolf is pretty good and khaldor is learning fast. Tasteless just seems like he doesnt wanna be there. He is neither enthusiastic or has game knowledge cos he doesnt stream or ladder at all. This is his JOB btw, his dreamjob (so he says). His jokes are not that great tbh, and I tbh I would rather artosis casted with Wolf. It's time for the tasteless era to end, things change, it's ok. Artosis stays, and tasteless goes on to BW or wahtever he feels passionate for.
But I want better casting.....from YOU tasteless.
Thanks
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chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
April 20 2012 12:44 GMT
#222
Everyone who posts in this thread has good reasons for their subjective impressions; and on many points about strategy and analysis and so on I'm sure you're right (I'm not that clever sc-wise tbh).

On the other hand, a lot of things which grate with some people the general audience really enjoy (critter banter, obscure nerd/cult references, joke fails etc). They make a good entertainment product. In addition to which, they (as you would hope) really do put effort into assessing and improving their "act", including listening to and considering posts like the ones in this thread.

Casting is a tricky business, as you have to pitch to many audiences. I don't think any pair however skilled can cover the gamut. Instead, they pick a segment of the spectrum, and play to their strengths, trying to address that part of the market.

It's not that some of the points above aren't valid or salient - but I think for some people it just ultimately comes down to the fact that Tasteosis have made some choices about the way they will approach their casting which some of their audience will just never agree with.
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SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
April 20 2012 14:50 GMT
#223
On April 20 2012 21:44 chocopan wrote:
Everyone who posts in this thread has good reasons for their subjective impressions; and on many points about strategy and analysis and so on I'm sure you're right (I'm not that clever sc-wise tbh).

On the other hand, a lot of things which grate with some people the general audience really enjoy (critter banter, obscure nerd/cult references, joke fails etc). They make a good entertainment product. In addition to which, they (as you would hope) really do put effort into assessing and improving their "act", including listening to and considering posts like the ones in this thread.

Casting is a tricky business, as you have to pitch to many audiences. I don't think any pair however skilled can cover the gamut. Instead, they pick a segment of the spectrum, and play to their strengths, trying to address that part of the market.

It's not that some of the points above aren't valid or salient - but I think for some people it just ultimately comes down to the fact that Tasteosis have made some choices about the way they will approach their casting which some of their audience will just never agree with.


You sir, should be a diplomat <3 I can't really disagree with you on any of the points!
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