EPT2- People listen to casters they ENJOY, not casters that are the most analytic.
3- Why don't you do yourself a favour and post a commentary make a justin channel if you were that awesome and want to help esport and make some money...
Tastosis Casting and Misanalysis - Page 2
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Kikimiki
Egypt92 Posts
2- People listen to casters they ENJOY, not casters that are the most analytic. 3- Why don't you do yourself a favour and post a commentary make a justin channel if you were that awesome and want to help esport and make some money... | ||
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AugustDreams
Australia127 Posts
Your points pretty much sum up how I feel about them, there's just something about the way they cast that doesn't sit well with me. I would much rather listen to Day9, DJWheat, Husky etc. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
So you don't like them and you nitpick. cool. You probably should have made this in blogs. I'm not nitpicking; I'm highlighting specific examples of where they are wrong to highlight bigger overarching issues with the cast. I agree. The posts that will follow will generally just agree or disagree based on personal preference. Not much to discuss about this. Obviously some things are subjective, like the jokes Tastosis make, so I didn't discuss them. I discussed problems with their analysis, which is pretty black or white whether they're making correct observations or not. So who do you reccomend as the gold standard to 'good' casting. I'm sure someone can find an equal dissertation on why they are inadequate, too. Other casters having flaws is not an argument for not correcting flaws that Tastosis have. so whats wrong with drinking and partying in terms of affecting your ability to cast? to me it seems like your one of those people really underestimating people's ability to analyize stuff. he might be wrong sometimes - still you tell us hes wrong all the time there is a BIG difference of a simplistic and just stupid view of things :§ Yes, but I explained why in my post why a simplistic approach to the strategy in question is incorrect. | ||
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
It's called relaxing after work and living his own life. I think Tastosis in general are the best casting duo because of their chemistry. No one in that sense is better than them. Tasteless is DEFINITELY masters, (and a really good one at that) and he's a protoss player, plus he plays both zerg and terran. I know this because I DO play with him and I have watched him play first hand as well. His understanding of the game as a player is really high, and him not being an analytic caster is because of his ROLE as part of the duo as Tastosis to be the "life" of the pair. I don't even want to discuss about Dan, because he is far-by one of the pioneer of being an analytic caster. Predictions are occasionally wrong as a caster because the meta-game in SC2 is evolving really quickly and sometimes it is hard to predict something correctly since 2rax CAN be all in, it can be 2 rax expand, 2 rax into blue flame into banshee, I mean, if we are talking about terran play here, Terran is such a flexible race compared to analyzing Protoss or Zerg which is usually easier to read. But hey, what do I know :p \0/~ | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
I always think that other "real sports" commentary is even worse in the points you describe though. All the major American and UK sports leagues have commentators who are biased, who don't follow the game's history enough and worst of all don't attempt to do any high level analysis of a team's gameplan, limiting themselves to play-by-play. Tastosis may be flawed but they are still the best commentators in existence. Even though I shouldn't think this way, sometimes Artosis's biases make the game more interesting to watch because the player he supports is usually the player the foriegner 'scene' wants to win anyway. So framing the game in terms of their ups and downs is matched to how people are feeling. It was most blatant in the Korea vs World league where he was also the team coach and was pushing for his team the whole time while casting, but honestly it was fine because everyone watching the stream was feeling the same. | ||
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Fireflies
United Kingdom211 Posts
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jahre
United States95 Posts
Please don't take my post or the OP's post in the wrong manner. Understand that we (or at least I do) appreciate Tastosis's work (especially Tasteless's). I've been listening to Nick cast since I was 13, and I am now 23. Hopefully things improve for them...but even if they don't, they'll still have an avid watcher. -Jeff | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
Artosis brings in valuable information for more experienced players while Tasteless drops some info that even though might be wrong, in the eyes of a begginer that's pretty much what, in fact, is going on. Plus they both have a good chemistry and are funny as hell. Just because you're high skilled player and needs deep intricated information of what's going on doesn't mean that all the other spectators also want/could understand that. | ||
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Intricate1
169 Posts
But my dislike doesn't stem from any miscasting and honestly it's hard to take your views seriously with the personal jabs you decided to include... | ||
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Geordie
United Kingdom653 Posts
This is very good post but I assume the vast majority of replies to this thread will be blind fanboys who will will read the title and say, as you pointed out, that you are ruining ESPORTS or some crap. | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
Gotcha. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:55 RPR_Tempest wrote: You've got to be kidding me. None of this is good constructive criticism. It's all just nitpicking. EDIT: Especially that line about how Tasteless has no right to criticise players because he isn't as good as them. That's the most fucking retarded thing I've ever heard. I agree with this post. i wish i didnt read all the OP.  | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
I completely agreed with all of your points above, for me the most anoying thing a caster could do is being biased and unprofessional. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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HuskyMUDKIPZ
228 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:57 Kraznaya wrote: I'm not nitpicking; I'm highlighting specific examples of where they are wrong to highlight bigger overarching issues with the cast. You are nitpicking, just because you say you are not and call it something else doesn't mean you are not nitpicking. No caster can be perfect, just as no player can be perfect. These guys do this professionally and are sometimes casting for 4+ hours a day. If you want to be a little nitpicker and look at specific examples you can find plenty of examples of every caster making mistakes. This post is not constructive, it is insulting and as such should be moved to blogs or closed. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:49 Kraznaya wrote: Hey look, four posts without reading the OP. Great job living up to standards TL community. Why insult the dissenters? I have read your post in its entirety and disagree with you based on my belief that casters are not in the explicit business of providing unbiased and omniscient analysis, but entertainment. I don't think we are lacking in proof that they are exceedingly competent in pleasing a large number of viewers and contribute a large part to the reasoning behind many persons' decision to drop $25 or however much it is now into a GSL ticket. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2597 Posts
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