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On July 30 2011 19:32 stafu wrote:So it's okay that BoxeR was bonjwa when the game was in it's infant stage and very unrefined, but not okay for Nestea when SC2 is young? and if this has something specifically to do with savior, that's even more sad. For what it's worth, I'm a BW fan through and through, but this is just ridiculous pedantic elitist whining, 100%. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/thumb/7/75/5Bonjwa.png/640px-5Bonjwa.png) Aditionally, BoxeR's reign didn't last for that long. Nestea will be coming up on similar length in the near future. All I hear is wah fucking wah.
Yeah it is, because BoxeR was when the entire genre itself was in its infant stage, not just BW. There will NEVER be another player like BoxeR, because there will never again be a "first," even if new iterations of SC come out.
Also, BoxeR was still a contender in starleagues till 2004-2005. His last strong appearance in OSL was during 2005 when he lost in the finals to anytime, if I remember correctly. That's a good 5+ years of quality playing.
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On July 30 2011 19:32 stafu wrote:So it's okay that BoxeR was bonjwa when the game was in it's infant stage and very unrefined, but not okay for Nestea when SC2 is young? and if this has something specifically to do with savior, that's even more sad. For what it's worth, I'm a BW fan through and through, but this is just ridiculous pedantic elitist whining, 100%. Aditionally, BoxeR's reign didn't last for that long. Nestea will be coming up on similar length in the near future. All I hear is wah fucking wah.
WAT?
Boxer won the WCG Twice
Boxer was ranked #1 KesPa 17 consecutive months. SC2 hasn't even been out for that long.
Also bear in mind, that the B word was given to them because they dominated the scene and their massive contributions to it. The term was given retroactively after a brilliant career. No, it's not elitist whining. It's a fair complaint that the word is being used out of context.
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Worst of all it's really just the SC2 kids using it. They have no idea of what a true bonjwa is.
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On July 30 2011 19:37 dlcofls21 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 19:35 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On July 30 2011 19:32 stafu wrote:So it's okay that BoxeR was bonjwa when the game was in it's infant stage and very unrefined, but not okay for Nestea when SC2 is young? and if this has something specifically to do with savior, that's even more sad. For what it's worth, I'm a BW fan through and through, but this is just ridiculous pedantic elitist whining, 100%. Aditionally, BoxeR's reign didn't last for that long. Nestea will be coming up on similar length in the near future. All I hear is wah fucking wah. Wheres Jaedong? The tyrant, the legend killer, was never dominating enough to be considered a bonjwa. Sc2 kids wont know this however, seeing how the only thing they know about the bw scene are the names of TBLS. If they did they would understand how significant the title bonjwa is.
talking about the Broodwar TLPD you can find the potential B words of Nestea and MC there because they are listed.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/29_NesTea
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/640_MC
Edit: Someone beat me to it
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The only way people will stop (incorrectly) using the term "bonjwa" is if its definition is integrated into the TL Rules and the mods start warning people who use it seriously for SC2 players. (And if such a thing seems too severe, then we're just gonna have to live with people being ignorant  )
Otherwise, there's no serious chance of it stopping; it pisses me off too.
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100percent agree. I have not been around for long but I understand why the it can't be applicable in SC2 for a few years. It actually makes me a little sick when people use it
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On July 30 2011 20:04 101toss wrote:You guys are right, we shouldn't call players like MC + Show Spoiler +
I
well played sir.
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On July 30 2011 20:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:The only way people will stop (incorrectly) using the term "bonjwa" is if its definition is integrated into the TL Rules and the mods start warning people who use it seriously for SC2 players. (And if such a thing seems too severe, then we're just gonna have to live with people being ignorant ) Otherwise, there's no serious chance of it stopping; it pisses me off too.
But then people will just say there are double standards between the BW and SC2 parts of TL. There's no chance of it going in the rules anytime soon.
I just don't know... There will never be one in SC2, the game simply doesn't allow it.
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On July 30 2011 20:04 101toss wrote:You guys are right, we shouldn't call players like MC + Show Spoiler +
ROFL.
I wasn't aware that the maesto's undoing killed the term in Korea, but if the origin of the word is dead, then I agree we shouldn't make it into something it's not. - Not that I really ever used it to begin with though. 
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BONJWA
you bunch of pussies
lol
But I agree that it's used in a wrong way, and that's always wrong and should stop. It's like calling your cat a dog.
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I only watch and play sc2 now, dont watch or play bw anymore, and it still disgusts me how sc2 players are being called bonjwa. Its a different game, it makes as much sense to call a halo or cod player bonjwa.
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On July 30 2011 19:32 stafu wrote:So it's okay that BoxeR was bonjwa when the game was in it's infant stage and very unrefined, but not okay for Nestea when SC2 is young? and if this has something specifically to do with savior, that's even more sad. For what it's worth, I'm a BW fan through and through, but this is just ridiculous pedantic elitist whining, 100%. Aditionally, BoxeR's reign didn't last for that long. Nestea will be coming up on similar length in the near future. All I hear is wah fucking wah.
Are you kidding me? Boxer won 3 titles in a row and was the #1 ranked player in the world for
17 months, longer than SC2 has existed. This was back when tournaments were held even further apart than they are in broodwar right now -- which is about 3 months, so even more back then. GSL has a championship on a monthly basis and Nestea has 3? How are you even comparing them. Nestea hasn't even been the undisputed best player for three months (remember, guys, when MC was bonjwa? And MVP before that?), much less over a year like Boxer was before Nada came into the picture.
guh, comparing to boxer i just argh
I'm not as much as a stickler as other BW forumgoers on the usage of the term bonjwa for SC2 -- it's only natural SC2 would adopt some language from its parent game, but the game has not been out long enough to even compare to any of the Bonjwa's reigns, and the tournament scene is so rapidfire and hectic that it's a hard comparison to make. When Nestea is the undisputed best player for over a year, then you can start discussing it, at best.
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Absolutely right... that it unless SC2 gets it's own Mr. MA
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I wish R1ch could programme something to ban this combination of letters from teamliquid, or send electroshocks to those typing it out. And I don't even understand how it did catch on in SC2, who were those idiots that transfered the term to the sc2 forums? It's seldom that I am that annoyed by something on the internet.
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the main issue why sc2 bonjwas dont look as bonjawie as SCBW ones did is because of the importance of proleague. SCBW teams actually fight for winning those while in SC2 people use it as a training ground for least experienced members of the team.
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