A terran cutting corners when you are playing macro style. I 3 gate expand, get an inkling of a banshee, make a robo, fend off the banshee that didn't even have cloak. At this point, I have 4 stalkers, 5 sentries, and 3 zealots. He has a raven and a banshee and a marine. And he expands. Stupid people who cut corners.

Then later, he come in with a ridiculous army and since there's nowhere good to engage on the map i lose.

Maybe I have bad game sense. How do you sense if your enemy is cutting corners, TL?

Here's the replay, if you want to see what I'm talking about or tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
http://drop.sc/20969

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How exactly is this too long to read?

Emporio

United States3069 Posts

July 26 2011 00:54 GMT

It's called scouting. You cut corners there too apparently.

Rotodyne

United States2263 Posts

July 26 2011 00:56 GMT

Emporio's nine words completely covers it. And he wasn't stupid for expoing without an army, he was smart.

And never count out anything on ladder, some people will do the most ridiculous shit you have ever seen. And that shit is always the most dangerous when it's not scouted.

Z3kk

4099 Posts

July 26 2011 00:56 GMT

On July 26 2011 09:54 Emporio wrote:
It's called scouting. You cut corners there too apparently.

That was sort of brusque, but that is the cold, harsh truth, I think.

Dalguno

United States2446 Posts

July 26 2011 00:58 GMT

People go 3 gate expo against me a lot, but a lot of the time I don't realize and they only get 1 gate.

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

July 26 2011 01:00 GMT

Well you made a robo and had an observer out.... could go check out what he's doing... but also even before that most protoss typically like to poke out with a stalker until you see a marauder there just isn't a reason to be out on the map with that stalker

ironpiggy

United States70 Posts

July 26 2011 01:23 GMT

so... what you do is: You poke after you see the banshee, because you can fend it off with 2 stalkers. Then, when you get to his base, you realize he has nothing and kill him. Also, you cut a lot of probes, intentionally or unintentionally, so you had a pretty big problem there.

btw. he has 7 marines when he puts down the cc. Thats when you have only one sentry one stalker and one zealot. Also, the moment the OC lands in his natural he has 1 marauder, 1 marine, 1 banshee, and 1 raven, but you just didn't attack after you fended off his initial marine force. In reality, after that initial marine force was killed off, and the banshee was shoved into the back of your base, you could have taken an expo.

^ All of those numbers would have been different had he macro'ed better. In reality, you just need to poke more often. You played too defensively with all your units. for example, poke with your initial stalker and zealot, its better than sacrificing a probe.

Lastly, the last fight would have gone a lot better had you just made less stalkers. there really isn't too much of a point in having that many of them since they're weak against marauders. more zealots = better army. Especially since you had legs and 2/2.

Giwoon

Korea (South)431 Posts

July 26 2011 01:25 GMT

whys this in blogs? post it in strats lol...

Maliris

Northern Ireland2557 Posts

July 26 2011 01:27 GMT

On July 26 2011 09:54 Emporio wrote:
It's called scouting. You cut corners there too apparently.

Touché! :3

Celial

2602 Posts

July 26 2011 01:28 GMT

#10

On July 26 2011 09:51 Bippzy wrote:
At this point, I have 4 stalkers, 5 sentries, and 3 zealots. He has a raven and a banshee and a marine. And he expands. Stupid people who cut corners.

There is this cool thing. It's called "A-Move".

Djzapz

Canada10681 Posts

July 26 2011 01:28 GMT

#11

I cut corners and it's how I win.

Enki

United States2548 Posts

July 26 2011 01:36 GMT

#12

You're right, your opponent should do something you expect when playing you so you can win. Maybe even tell you before they attack so you can prepare. ~_~

TheGlassface

United States612 Posts

July 26 2011 01:38 GMT

#13

My favorite thing on TL is when someone calls someone else stupid or BMs the opponent and then asks for help to counter said opponent's play.

IceSlipper

Australia1028 Posts

July 26 2011 01:57 GMT

#14

ill admit, the tl;dr got me.. but i still didnt put in the effort to read it in annoyance at the tl;dr!

Iranon

United States983 Posts

July 26 2011 02:01 GMT

#15

On July 26 2011 10:25 Giwoon wrote:
whys this in blogs? post it in strats lol...

because its not worth a thread in strats lol...

But yeah, OP, others nailed it. Getting away with cutting corners is how you win games, knowing what corners your opponent cut is how you make others lose games. Always always try to know what your opponent is doing, and then all of a sudden the risky shit that might kill you becomes a golden opportunity to punish him.

Frozenhelfire

United States420 Posts

July 26 2011 03:00 GMT

#16

Your mindset is wrong. You aren't better than everyone on ladder. If you were you would have punished the Terran for cutting corners. Most people know that when you are behind you have to take a risk to get back into the game unless you are counting on your opponent making a lot more mistakes than you do, which generally isn't an option.

He spent all that money on developing his tech to push out a banshee that did no damage. You should have a superior army and camp his ramp with force fields to delay an expansion. Isn't part of a 3 gate expand applying some pressure to keep the Terran honest?