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An annoyance I didn't consider when laddering...

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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
July 26 2011 00:51 GMT
#1
A terran cutting corners when you are playing macro style. I 3 gate expand, get an inkling of a banshee, make a robo, fend off the banshee that didn't even have cloak. At this point, I have 4 stalkers, 5 sentries, and 3 zealots. He has a raven and a banshee and a marine. And he expands. Stupid people who cut corners.

Then later, he come in with a ridiculous army and since there's nowhere good to engage on the map i lose.

Maybe I have bad game sense. How do you sense if your enemy is cutting corners, TL?

Here's the replay, if you want to see what I'm talking about or tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
http://drop.sc/20969

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Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
July 26 2011 00:54 GMT
#2
It's called scouting. You cut corners there too apparently.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 00:59:07
July 26 2011 00:56 GMT
#3
Emporio's nine words completely covers it. And he wasn't stupid for expoing without an army, he was smart.

And never count out anything on ladder, some people will do the most ridiculous shit you have ever seen. And that shit is always the most dangerous when it's not scouted.
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
July 26 2011 00:56 GMT
#4
On July 26 2011 09:54 Emporio wrote:
It's called scouting. You cut corners there too apparently.


That was sort of brusque, but that is the cold, harsh truth, I think.
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
July 26 2011 00:58 GMT
#5
People go 3 gate expo against me a lot, but a lot of the time I don't realize and they only get 1 gate.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 01:01:39
July 26 2011 01:00 GMT
#6
Well you made a robo and had an observer out.... could go check out what he's doing... but also even before that most protoss typically like to poke out with a stalker until you see a marauder there just isn't a reason to be out on the map with that stalker
ironpiggy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States70 Posts
July 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#7
so... what you do is: You poke after you see the banshee, because you can fend it off with 2 stalkers. Then, when you get to his base, you realize he has nothing and kill him. Also, you cut a lot of probes, intentionally or unintentionally, so you had a pretty big problem there.

btw. he has 7 marines when he puts down the cc. Thats when you have only one sentry one stalker and one zealot. Also, the moment the OC lands in his natural he has 1 marauder, 1 marine, 1 banshee, and 1 raven, but you just didn't attack after you fended off his initial marine force. In reality, after that initial marine force was killed off, and the banshee was shoved into the back of your base, you could have taken an expo.

^ All of those numbers would have been different had he macro'ed better. In reality, you just need to poke more often. You played too defensively with all your units. for example, poke with your initial stalker and zealot, its better than sacrificing a probe.

Lastly, the last fight would have gone a lot better had you just made less stalkers. there really isn't too much of a point in having that many of them since they're weak against marauders. more zealots = better army. Especially since you had legs and 2/2.
"I'm like an asymptote, you'll get close to me but never touch me.
Giwoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)431 Posts
July 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#8
whys this in blogs? post it in strats lol...
BUTTHURT?
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
July 26 2011 01:27 GMT
#9
On July 26 2011 09:54 Emporio wrote:
It's called scouting. You cut corners there too apparently.

Touché! :3
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
July 26 2011 01:28 GMT
#10
On July 26 2011 09:51 Bippzy wrote:
At this point, I have 4 stalkers, 5 sentries, and 3 zealots. He has a raven and a banshee and a marine. And he expands. Stupid people who cut corners.


There is this cool thing. It's called "A-Move".
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 26 2011 01:28 GMT
#11
I cut corners and it's how I win.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
July 26 2011 01:36 GMT
#12
You're right, your opponent should do something you expect when playing you so you can win. Maybe even tell you before they attack so you can prepare. ~_~
"Practice, practice, practice. And when you're not practicing you should be practicing. It's the only way to get better. The only way." I run the Smix Fanclub!
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
July 26 2011 01:38 GMT
#13
My favorite thing on TL is when someone calls someone else stupid or BMs the opponent and then asks for help to counter said opponent's play.

The mystery of life is not a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. **Hang in there STX fans!! Kal Hwaiting!**
IceSlipper
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia1028 Posts
July 26 2011 01:57 GMT
#14
ill admit, the tl;dr got me.. but i still didnt put in the effort to read it in annoyance at the tl;dr!
Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 02:03:07
July 26 2011 02:01 GMT
#15
On July 26 2011 10:25 Giwoon wrote:
whys this in blogs? post it in strats lol...


because its not worth a thread in strats lol...

But yeah, OP, others nailed it. Getting away with cutting corners is how you win games, knowing what corners your opponent cut is how you make others lose games. Always always try to know what your opponent is doing, and then all of a sudden the risky shit that might kill you becomes a golden opportunity to punish him.
Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
July 26 2011 03:00 GMT
#16
Your mindset is wrong. You aren't better than everyone on ladder. If you were you would have punished the Terran for cutting corners. Most people know that when you are behind you have to take a risk to get back into the game unless you are counting on your opponent making a lot more mistakes than you do, which generally isn't an option.

He spent all that money on developing his tech to push out a banshee that did no damage. You should have a superior army and camp his ramp with force fields to delay an expansion. Isn't part of a 3 gate expand applying some pressure to keep the Terran honest?
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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
July 27 2011 02:42 GMT
#17
My favorite thing on TL is when someone calls someone else stupid or BMs the opponent and then asks for help to counter said opponent's play.

Just...no. Thats not what I did.

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Your mindset is wrong. You aren't better than everyone on ladder. If you were you would have punished the Terran for cutting corners. Most people know that when you are behind you have to take a risk to get back into the game unless you are counting on your opponent making a lot more mistakes than you do, which generally isn't an option.

He spent all that money on developing his tech to push out a banshee that did no damage. You should have a superior army and camp his ramp with force fields to delay an expansion. Isn't part of a 3 gate expand applying some pressure to keep the Terran honest?


You sir, win. I agree with everything you said, and I'll be looking into keeping my opponent honest more often. Thanks for all the replies!
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