EPTAn End to the Harry Potter Era - Page 2
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ZeuZ
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
On July 13 2011 18:06 minus_human wrote: Find something better to read. Seriously. What? I quit the movies after the third one, they were so bad But the books are amazing Reminds me, gotta re-read them, been a while | ||
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WarChimp
Australia943 Posts
On July 13 2011 21:11 DisaFear wrote: What? I quit the movies after the third one, they were so bad But the books are amazing Reminds me, gotta re-read them, been a while See I disagree, I always thought the movies were great. However I never read the books, probably why I thought the movies were good because I never had to compare them to the books. This is where I feel a lot of people ruin their own movie experience if the movie is based off the book. They read the book and expect the movie to address everything that was in the book. My own mother does this as well, she will read the book then see the movie and complain that the movie just wasn't as good as the book. It wasn't until recently when I could finally understand what she was talking about. I am not a reader by any margin. I hate reading, a lot. But when "Tomorrow when the war began" was made into the movie I was generally excited. After watching the movie I thought, hey, that was a decent movie and really enjoyed it. I then actually went out of my way and read the books. It wasn't until after I read the books that I realized how much the movie actually misses out. However that still didn't sway my judgment of the movie. Although back to you're opinion DisaFear, I thoroughly have enjoyed the Harry Potter movies and its a real shame you haven't. | ||
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Artunit
Philippines399 Posts
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Battleaxe
United States843 Posts
I tried reading the first book, was completely uninterested about halfway through and gave up on the series. I've heard good things about the movies, but meh. | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7903 Posts
On July 13 2011 21:11 DisaFear wrote: What? I quit the movies after the third one, they were so bad But the books are amazing Reminds me, gotta re-read them, been a while Not really amazing. Shakespeare is amazing, Proust is amazing, Joyce is amazing, Dostoevsky is amazing, Poe is amazing. JK Rowling is fine children writer (that's for the first ones) and an average mediocre fantasy writer, for everything she's done past the third book. And same goes with Tolkien. He is not a great writer although readig him is sometimes highly enjoyable. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On July 13 2011 20:20 Biff The Understudy wrote: Just think that there are 40 student/year (5 male + 5 female / house). Yes, that's right. That means the total population which has been to Hogwards is 40 * 65 = 2600. Since we never ever hear of an other magic school in the UK, and that most wizard seem to have been there, you really have a problem finding where all theses guys have been educated. Now I don't think that the fact that HP world doesn't make sense is really a problem. It's not supposed to make sense, since it is a caricature of some aspect of England anyway. Any fantasy/sci fi world will always have problems if you delve too deeply into them. That's because authors obviously cannot consider all the possible plot holes that may arise in their 'world'. The key is to simply accept whatever the author throws at you as long as it makes some sense. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On July 13 2011 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote: I have to agree with that. The first couple of Harry Potter were fine children literature with a lot of imagination, everything else has been plain mediocrity. The movies are all terrible imo. Really really terrible. Same for LOTR. WTF LOTR movies are terrible? Something is wrong with you. Harry Potter maybe, LOTR just no. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On July 13 2011 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote: I have to agree with that. The first couple of Harry Potter were fine children literature with a lot of imagination, everything else has been plain mediocrity. The movies are all terrible imo. Really really terrible. Same for LOTR. Clearly an idiot. Please ignore this guy. There are literally thousands of far more terrible children's books and movies out there. The HP series is certainly not the pinnacle of modern literature, but it is far from terrible, and compared to most of the the other trash that passes for literature these days, I think they are just fine. The movies...basically the same. Not masterpieces of intellect by far, but they tell a compelling coming of age story. And dissing on LoTR, the books or the movies is just stupid. They broke new ground both in literature and in movies. The CGI alone was VERY groundbreaking in the movies, completely disregarding everything else. The books....just lol. If you think they are terrible, then you are just a terrible judge of literature, and need to be ignored. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7903 Posts
On July 13 2011 23:54 Dante08 wrote: WTF LOTR movies are terrible? Something is wrong with you. Harry Potter maybe, LOTR just no. Yes I think they were very bad movies. I don't like the dialogues which were horrendously cheesy and sounded wrong, the way of filming which is really brutal, in a way vulgar with zooming on the face of everybody who is supposed to feel an emotion; it's all about speed and efficiency, and to be honest I find that brainless. The actors are good but really badly directed, and most of the dramatic stuff really make me laugh out loud. Just think of any Frodo/Sam line, it's so full of good feelings, that's just disgusting. Every time an Elf appears on the screen it looks like some shampoo commercial. White light, stupid high pitched choral music, slow motion. I mean, does Peter Jackson think he will move people with such disgustingly cheap cinema? Apparently yes, and sadly, apparently he is right. The music is heavy and boring. The battles look like some kind of hysterical video game. Compare the nerdy warhammer stuff with the psychological tension in Tolkien's books. Think that during the siege of Minas Tirith, almost nothing happens for like 200 pages. I find that the books have some kind of subtlety, that they manage to really create something. The movies, I found were brainless heroic fantasy, and really really boring as fuck. I found the third one so ridiculous that I never managed to watch it until the end. A friend of mine showed me the last scene with the hobbit jumping in slow motion on their bed. Made me feel sick. Horrible movies, but again, that's just my opinion. The books are really nice. On July 14 2011 00:05 Sm3agol wrote: Clearly an idiot. Please ignore this guy. There are literally thousands of far more terrible children's books and movies out there. The HP series is certainly not the pinnacle of modern literature, but it is far from terrible, and compared to most of the the other trash that passes for literature these days, I think they are just fine. The movies...basically the same. Not masterpieces of intellect by far, but they tell a compelling coming of age story. And dissing on LoTR, the books or the movies is just stupid. They broke new ground both in literature and in movies. The CGI alone was VERY groundbreaking in the movies, completely disregarding everything else. The books....just lol. If you think they are terrible, then you are just a terrible judge of literature, and need to be ignored. I will make you a favor and ignore the first and the last sentence of your post. You seem to think people who have an other opinion than you are stupid. Well, you know what, then maybe you are. (It's also ironic that you tell someone to ignore me and then spend two paragraphs answering what I said). Tolkien is not a great writer. Compare him to a really important one, let's say James Joyce, and you realize he brings nothing, absolutely nothing to literature. He is a fine entertainer for teenagers and young adults. That's it. Now, don't get me wrong: I like him, I really do. I like LOTR, I loved reading it. But people comparing him to Balzac, Celine or any of these really great artist makes me sad. It's like saying that George Carlin, that I really fucking love, is a great philosopher like Spinoza or Nietzsche. You have people who really believe so. Well, no he is not. That's good pop culture, period. The movies are brainless hysterical blockbusters. If you like it good for you, personally I find that boring and stupid. Same goes with HP movies. I find them really offensive. | ||
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aphorism
United States226 Posts
On July 14 2011 00:19 Biff The Understudy wrote: Tolkien is not a great writer. Compare him to a really important one, let's say James Joyce, and you realize he brings nothing, absolutely nothing to literature. He is a fine entertainer for teenagers and young adults. That's it. The Lord of the Rings is easily the most important work of fantasy writing in the last century, and it has profoundly influenced the genre, as well as science fiction. I don't think it's fair to dismiss Tolkien as bringing 'absolutely nothing to literature' because other 'important' writers have existed. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7903 Posts
On July 14 2011 02:05 aphorism wrote: The Lord of the Rings is easily the most important work of fantasy writing in the last century, and it has profoundly influenced the genre, as well as science fiction. I don't think it's fair to dismiss Tolkien as bringing 'absolutely nothing to literature' because other 'important' writers have existed. I don't think we can fairly consider fantasy as anything else but entertainment. Tolkien is certainly influential in that sense that he created a genre, but to the art form that literature is, he doesn't bring much. Tolkien didn't invent anything in terms of how to tell a story, what a novel is about; his writing is not original at all and quite flat, etc etc... Now look at Joyce. Nobody had ever written the way he did. Nobody had used English language that way, nobody had written a novel like Ulysse, which just change the history of literature; and that's what a great writer does, that's what 'bringing something to literature means'. Not inventing 7453786 different creatures and gods and artifact and cities and continents and writing 15 books describing a world made from scratch. That's also great; but that has little to do with literature. tl;dr: The content is very original (he created a world), but that doesn't make him a 'great writer'. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On July 14 2011 00:19 Biff The Understudy wrote: I will make you a favor and ignore the first and the last sentence of your post. You seem to think people who have an other opinion than you are stupid. Well, you know what, then maybe you are. (It's also ironic that you tell someone to ignore me and then spend two paragraphs answering what I said). Tolkien is not a great writer. Compare him to a really important one, let's say James Joyce, and you realize he brings nothing, absolutely nothing to literature. He is a fine entertainer for teenagers and young adults. That's it. Now, don't get me wrong: I like him, I really do. I like LOTR, I loved reading it. But people comparing him to Balzac, Celine or any of these really great artist makes me sad. It's like saying that George Carlin, that I really fucking love, is a great philosopher like Spinoza or Nietzsche. You have people who really believe so. Well, no he is not. That's good pop culture, period. The movies are brainless hysterical blockbusters. If you like it good for you, personally I find that boring and stupid. Same goes with HP movies. I find them really offensive. Why do you feel the need to come into a blog about the end of the HP era and completely shit on it? It doesn't matter if you're right or not, it's not nice. I find K-Pop terrible so I don't post in the K-Pop thread. It's not that hard you know. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7903 Posts
On July 14 2011 02:43 Orome wrote: Why do you feel the need to come into a blog about the end of the HP era and completely shit on it? It doesn't matter if you're right or not, it's not nice. I find K-Pop terrible so I don't post in the K-Pop thread. It's not that hard you know. I like Harry Potter and I said it. I think the first books are really fine and imaginative children books. I don't agree about making Rowling the new Shakespeare. Should everybody who has an objection or a reserve about a topic not post? Man, world would be boring. I don't post in Kpop thread, but if someone says that kpop is the greatest form of music ever, I'll probably answer that I have good reasons to disagree. A discussion without contradiction doesn't really bring much. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On July 14 2011 02:48 Biff The Understudy wrote: I like Harry Potter and I said it. Should everybody who has an objection or a reserve about a topic not post. Man, world would be boring. I don' post in Kpop thread, but if someone says that kpop is the greatest form of music ever, I'll probably answer that I have good reasons to disagree. Actually you came into the thread agreeing with someone who said that HP was terrible and the OP should find something better to read, then went on to say the movies were terrible. This just isn't the place for it, especially since your primary objective seems to be to showcase how refined your own taste in literature is. Yes, both HP and LOTR aren't great literature in the classical sense, but I fail to see why literature that's great in its ability to entertain needs to be compared to Dostojevsky. edit: Maybe I should mention here that Dostojevsky's probably my favourite author after Tolstoy. You definitely don't need to convince me that HP isn't as brilliant as Brothers Karamazov lol. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On July 14 2011 02:48 Biff The Understudy wrote: I like Harry Potter and I said it. I think the first books are really fine and imaginative children books. I don't agree about making Rowling the new Shakespeare. Should everybody who has an objection or a reserve about a topic not post? Man, world would be boring. I don't post in Kpop thread, but if someone says that kpop is the greatest form of music ever, I'll probably answer that I have good reasons to disagree. A discussion without contradiction doesn't really bring much. You and minus_human came into this thread guns blazing when no one ever stated that Harry Potter was the end all be all of literature. Most of us have fond memories of picking up Harry Potter and spending whole days reading the books. We don't need you shitting up a nostalgia thread. | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
On July 14 2011 00:19 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yes I think they were very bad movies. I don't like the dialogues which were horrendously cheesy and sounded wrong, the way of filming which is really brutal, in a way vulgar with zooming on the face of everybody who is supposed to feel an emotion; it's all about speed and efficiency, and to be honest I find that brainless. The actors are good but really badly directed, and most of the dramatic stuff really make me laugh out loud. Just think of any Frodo/Sam line, it's so full of good feelings, that's just disgusting. Every time an Elf appears on the screen it looks like some shampoo commercial. White light, stupid high pitched choral music, slow motion. I mean, does Peter Jackson think he will move people with such disgustingly cheap cinema? Apparently yes, and sadly, apparently he is right. The music is heavy and boring. The battles look like some kind of hysterical video game. Compare the nerdy warhammer stuff with the psychological tension in Tolkien's books. Think that during the siege of Minas Tirith, almost nothing happens for like 200 pages. I find that the books have some kind of subtlety, that they manage to really create something. The movies, I found were brainless heroic fantasy, and really really boring as fuck. I found the third one so ridiculous that I never managed to watch it until the end. A friend of mine showed me the last scene with the hobbit jumping in slow motion on their bed. Made me feel sick. Horrible movies, but again, that's just my opinion. The books are really nice. I will make you a favor and ignore the first and the last sentence of your post. You seem to think people who have an other opinion than you are stupid. Well, you know what, then maybe you are. (It's also ironic that you tell someone to ignore me and then spend two paragraphs answering what I said). Tolkien is not a great writer. Compare him to a really important one, let's say James Joyce, and you realize he brings nothing, absolutely nothing to literature. He is a fine entertainer for teenagers and young adults. That's it. Now, don't get me wrong: I like him, I really do. I like LOTR, I loved reading it. But people comparing him to Balzac, Celine or any of these really great artist makes me sad. It's like saying that George Carlin, that I really fucking love, is a great philosopher like Spinoza or Nietzsche. You have people who really believe so. Well, no he is not. That's good pop culture, period. The movies are brainless hysterical blockbusters. If you like it good for you, personally I find that boring and stupid. Same goes with HP movies. I find them really offensive. I don't understand- just because a book is written for entertainment purposes, the author is not a great writer? Who's to say that an author who is not innovative, or a philosopher, or who does not have profound things to say about life makes him have no literary merit? They're different fields of writing. I wouldn't say that innovative writing and great philosophy is inherently of more merit than entertainment. Just my opinion. | ||
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