• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:25
CEST 06:25
KST 13:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)54Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder Fantasy returning? BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7159 users

Is it time to grow up?

Blogs > Epigon
Post a Reply
Epigon
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States54 Posts
June 29 2011 04:47 GMT
#1
Hi, I just wanted to start out saying this is my first blog post on TL, and I want to thank you for reading it even if you agree, disagree, or don't care either way. It means a lot that you would take the time out of your day to listen to this silly rant of a random nerd. You are awesome and don't you ever forget it!

I have been in love with the SC2 scene since I got my beta key and discovered TL early last year. I haven't felt the need to post much because I feel most of the time I have little to add to the conversation, but that has changed recently with all of the drama over Geoff leaving SOTG and the circumstances behind that. I, like most of the community, was upset that Geoff was leaving since I loved having him on SOTG, but I knew that he had made this decision and thought it was the best thing for him to do. So I just accepted it and move on. Until earlier this week when the infamous SS of Geoff talking to Sir Scoots popped up and started a drama shit storm in the SOTG thread leading it to be locked. It honestly leads me to ask... why? I understand you are upset that Geoff is leaving and you want to know everything about what happened, but honestly that won't change it and you have no right to know. People live their lives and do what is right for them, it is how the world works. We as a community don't need to know every detail of why things happen. It is a very childish thing in my opinion to go complain on the forums because a business, which these progaming teams are, was doing business. Companies are worried about their own interests just like people are. If being on one show was hurting Geoff's game and not making him any money, why would he stay? Do you think that pros in other sports would co-host a show every week for free? I don't think they would! People have lives to live and other obligations, like Geoff's real job, you know... BEING A PROGAMER! He is focused on HIS JOB like any adult, and the team is focused on their employee doing his job, like any business would. To think that our community is so self absorbed and full of itself that it has to bitch and complain every time someone does what is right for them is ridiculous. We are fans of people playing a video game professionally, that doesn't mean we have to act like children and ask why every time something doesn't go our way. It feels like we are 10-year-olds being told that we can't have candy for dinner, and when our mom says no we look up at her and ask why then pout for the rest of the night. People have to live their lives, just because they are in the public spotlight doesn't mean that they should explain their every action. Geoff announced he couldn't be on SOTG as a host anymore and that is that. Understanding the situation does nothing but make the community look bad. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it is "hurting e-sports" or anything like that. I just think maybe we should take this as a sign. That maybe as a community we could grow up and stop being upset when things don't go our way.

We have a right to complain when a stream we pay for lags, we have a right to complain when a commercial is 10x louder than the broadcast we are watching, we have a right to complain when we are lied to, but we don't have any right to complain when a player wants to be a player instead of a co-host.

I want to make it clear, I don't think that this will kill our community at all. I just think it could mature and become more about loving the game not about acting like children when things don't go our way.

Again thank you for reading my silly rant, and even though I don't know any of you personally, I still love every single one of you because we are all nerds that play the same amazing game.

***
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
June 29 2011 06:32 GMT
#2
IMO the best way to "grow up" is to stop thinking so much about inane "drama" such as this. Shit happens.
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 29 2011 06:35 GMT
#3
I haven't really followed much of the drama about SOTG, anyone want to fill me in?

As for you? Time to grow up? It's just really a time for you to take yourself out of a picture that doesn't ultimately include or should have an effect on you and just accept it as something else: pure entertainment. Whatever it is, it's unfortunate for those affected and their viewers in the end, but the idea of you needing to grow up is just you not realizing that you don't need to be so involved in some things.

Take a step back bro, the world's not crumbling.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 29 2011 06:50 GMT
#4
^^ He's an Archon...But for how long...

As for the OP...Do you feel better now?

I hope so, because that must have taken a lot of effort to write. As Master Kennigit would say, have a fap, do some squats and the world looks much brighter. No need to predict the demise of our little community. There are enough Cassandra's around.

Just sit back and enjoy, and if ever you are feeling overwhelmed, take a trip to the ABL and see how stupid people can be. Guaranteed smile on your dial.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 29 2011 06:52 GMT
#5
On June 29 2011 15:50 Probulous wrote:
^^ He's an Archon...But for how long...

As for the OP...Do you feel better now?

I hope so, because that must have taken a lot of effort to write. As Master Kennigit would say, have a fap, do some squats and the world looks much brighter. No need to predict the demise of our little community. There are enough Cassandra's around.

Just sit back and enjoy, and if ever you are feeling overwhelmed, take a trip to the ABL and see how stupid people can be. Guaranteed smile on your dial.


Don't jinx it.
Agreed on the ABL, we're a nice tight-knit group there! Very funny place and staff really like to let loose there too :3
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 29 2011 06:59 GMT
#6
On June 29 2011 15:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 15:50 Probulous wrote:
^^ He's an Archon...But for how long...

As for the OP...Do you feel better now?

I hope so, because that must have taken a lot of effort to write. As Master Kennigit would say, have a fap, do some squats and the world looks much brighter. No need to predict the demise of our little community. There are enough Cassandra's around.

Just sit back and enjoy, and if ever you are feeling overwhelmed, take a trip to the ABL and see how stupid people can be. Guaranteed smile on your dial.


Don't jinx it.
Agreed on the ABL, we're a nice tight-knit group there! Very funny place and staff really like to let loose there too :3


So are you stable now? Was pretty funny whilst it lasted.

Also try the Website Feedback section. Amazing some of the threads there.

In particular, might I interest you in the following
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116147
Your support would be much appreciated.

No, no. I would never enter a blog to pursue my own agenda. No never, never, never...
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #21
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 203
ProTech125
Nina 91
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2119
Shuttle 1048
Snow 90
Dewaltoss 57
Noble 42
Bale 41
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm145
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1116
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor579
Other Games
summit1g8579
JimRising 642
C9.Mang0273
PiGStarcraft265
Mew2King209
ViBE60
ArmadaUGS59
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream78
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Response 20
• practicex 19
• Letter145
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2400
League of Legends
• Lourlo1110
• Rush616
• Stunt297
Other Games
• Scarra721
Upcoming Events
Stellar Fest
8h 35m
OSC
17h 35m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 5h
Online Event
1d 6h
FEL
1d 11h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 12h
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1d 14h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
4 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
INu's Battles
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.