• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:25
CEST 16:25
KST 23:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers12Maestros of the Game 2 announced52026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid23
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
Data needed ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions [ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1500 users

Swarming down the Ladder Ep6: Status Report

Blogs > Umpteen
Post a Reply
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
June 22 2011 15:45 GMT
#1
After a brief but invigorating dip in Silver after the season reset, I've hauled myself back onto the sunny sands of Gold, towelled myself off, and decided it might be a good time to take stock of where I stand in the various matchups.

ZvT: Current Status

Historically my weakest matchup, I now feel like I have a reasonable grip on gold-level ZvT. My standard plan is to defend with zergling/baneling/infestor, get a fast hive with good upgrades, crush his main army with ultralisk/baneling, and then contain and deny expansions until he runs out of steam.

I no longer hatch first. Why? Because I noticed that every time I did, my macro went completely to hell while I tried to fend off the inevitable bunker rush. What's the point, I reasoned, in opting for a economic opening that doesn't end up being economic? As I get better at multitasking I'll reintroduce the greedier openings.

Instead I open 14g14p with an expansion going down around 18-21, and try to get a drone or an overlord to where I can see his gas geysers. I interpret early double gas as banshee play, especially if I see nothing but marines or hellions when I scout the ramp (in fact, even if I can't see his gases I always assume banshees if I see mineral-only units at the front), and respond by putting down a spore crawler in each mineral line and making an additional queen at each hatchery, ensuring I spread connecting creep. I also add a couple of spine crawlers at the front and drone heavily. If his banshees are denied I'm in good shape: I feel like I have the breathing room to take a more aggressive ling/bling/muta stance, grab a third and pressure his mineral lines.

The only time I get caught out is if I assume he's given up on the banshees and he doesn't. A couple of games I've perfectly deflected the first two or three banshees, and then lost when seven or eight turn up a couple of minutes later because I wasn't timely in building my lair or spire.

If banshees don't make an appearance, ling/bling infestor (going easy on the blings for as long as possible to favour upgrades) and creep/overlord spread deal well enough with marine/tank/drops to get me to hive and the unstoppable lawnmower of death that is Ultra/Baneling. If I get to that point, literally the only way I ever lose is if I'm not dilligent at denying further expansions.

ZvT: Future Development

I'm less confident if he forces roaches with blueflame hellions. I either lose all my drones to one of his pokes/drops, or I spend so much time chasing them around that my macro falls apart and my long term goals evaporate. I'd like to have a plan for dealing with hellion harrassment that has a solid follow-up. Right now I don't know whether to skew back toward hive/ultra/bling or make more of my roaches.

I'd also like to be able to end the game earlier when possible. Right now I feel like I'm giving effectively beaten opponents a second or third bite at the cherry, just because I don't know how to exploit early advantages. If I get an eco and army advantage in the midgame, I never seem to be able to do anything with it before he builds cost effective counters. I suspect I need to be thinking in terms of multi-pronged ling/baneling/roach drops, possibly with mutas waiting to pounce on unguarded tanks.

ZvZ: Current Status

Very much in flux until recently. I've settled on 14g14p, being aggressive with my speedlings while expanding, working hard to deny his expansion,teching to roaches, then infestors, and trying to remember to go hive/greater spire if the game goes really long.

What sticks out a mile in ZvZ is how incredibly vulnerable Zerg is in the early game. I've given up trying to gain the economic edge defensively for now, because it's easier to get in his face and slow HIM down.

ZvZ: Future development

I still lose a lot when I'm ahead because I'm not aggressive enough. Often my opponents will just drone up with their fingers crossed, make a buttload of mutalisks and edge their way back into the game by taking map control.

ZvP: Current Status

After an all but unbroken run over the last couple of months, I've become incapable of even thinking the word 'Protoss' without mentally or audibly prepending the word 'fuck'. In conversation I often use the word 'fuck' purely so I can fantasize about saying 'Protoss' afterwards. Sometimes, that's the only reason I start talking at all.

To put this into context, I have never stopped a 4gate. For a while I pre-empted them with a 3roach+speedling rush, but I stopped when I could no longer look Raynor in the eye while the game was booting. "Playing like that, you might as well be a Protoss", the sardonic twist to his lips seemed to say.

Since I stopped doing that rush, I have won on the following occasions:

1. Versus a 1-base stalker-colossus push so late my scouting ling had arthritis. Which would still have killed me if he hadn't obligingly walked all his stalkers into spine-crawler range, let me flank his colossi with lings, and failed to focus-fire my queens allowing me to transfuse them.

2. Versus 1-base phoenix/void ray into 1-base warp-prism zealot/sentry drop into 1-base colussus/expand - essentially suicide; he didn't really need me there at all.

And that's it.

If he 4-gates, I am invariably too slow getting units or spine crawlers. If I get my spine crawlers or units in what I think is time, it's because he's actually made DTs. And if they don't turn up, I get to yet again watch the mad spark of hope ten minutes of furious macro and expansion-denial has ignited casually pissed upon by his 200/200 2-base army.

I am not terribly good at ZvP.

ZvP: Future Development

The only thing that keeps me going is the knowledge that it can't be as hard as I'm making it look. There must be something I'm missing. Maybe it's the angle of his zealot in the otherwise featureless gate/core/pylon face of his base. Maybe it's the number of minerals remaining on the third patch from the left, or the number of steps his stalker takes while killing my scouting overlord. Maybe it's a unit composition that doesn't become obsolete ten seconds after I've assembled it. Maybe it's just banelings. Whatever it is, my failure to apprehend it is wearing my asshole out something fierce.

Thanks for reading.

*****
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
12:30
Playoffs Day 1
herO vs Classic
SHIN vs Cure
Solar vs Percival
WardiTV891
TKL 223
Liquipedia
Afreeca Starleague
10:00
Ro16 Group D
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
Afreeca ASL 18304
StarCastTV_EN391
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko448
TKL 223
Hui .218
LamboSC2 124
Rex 123
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 36247
Calm 15828
Sea 7952
Jaedong 6077
BeSt 1929
Rush 1487
Hyuk 925
Horang2 698
Pusan 567
Mind 359
[ Show more ]
Snow 343
Mini 274
Zeus 241
ToSsGirL 122
JYJ 117
Sharp 106
ggaemo 90
Sea.KH 66
[sc1f]eonzerg 57
Noble 49
Sexy 46
Killer 31
zelot 24
Backho 22
Shine 19
Rock 18
SilentControl 15
Bale 14
Movie 13
Terrorterran 10
JulyZerg 8
eros_byul 1
Dota 2
Gorgc7073
qojqva1144
League of Legends
Reynor70
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1527
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr139
Other Games
FalleN 4020
singsing2100
hiko997
B2W.Neo543
Beastyqt409
DeMusliM311
crisheroes287
XaKoH 144
Mew2King98
ArmadaUGS67
QueenE60
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream11241
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream5695
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 335
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 70
• 3DClanTV 70
• poizon28 26
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3096
• TFBlade1711
Other Games
• WagamamaTV169
• Shiphtur154
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
19h 35m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
The PondCast
1d 19h
KCM Race Survival
1d 19h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 20h
Gerald vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
ByuN vs TBD
Rogue vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Escore
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Universe Titan Cup
3 days
Rogue vs Percival
[ Show More ]
Ladder Legends
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Ladder Legends
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-20
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.