• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:12
CEST 03:12
KST 10:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo9Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Updates to The Core/Core Lite for v5.0.16?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) GSL CK #4 20-21th June Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Data needed BW General Discussion VPN experiences
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia {D-2} Late to making 20.06.2026 memorable [p]94718
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12113 users

Swarming down the Ladder Ep6: Status Report

Blogs > Umpteen
Post a Reply
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
June 22 2011 15:45 GMT
#1
After a brief but invigorating dip in Silver after the season reset, I've hauled myself back onto the sunny sands of Gold, towelled myself off, and decided it might be a good time to take stock of where I stand in the various matchups.

ZvT: Current Status

Historically my weakest matchup, I now feel like I have a reasonable grip on gold-level ZvT. My standard plan is to defend with zergling/baneling/infestor, get a fast hive with good upgrades, crush his main army with ultralisk/baneling, and then contain and deny expansions until he runs out of steam.

I no longer hatch first. Why? Because I noticed that every time I did, my macro went completely to hell while I tried to fend off the inevitable bunker rush. What's the point, I reasoned, in opting for a economic opening that doesn't end up being economic? As I get better at multitasking I'll reintroduce the greedier openings.

Instead I open 14g14p with an expansion going down around 18-21, and try to get a drone or an overlord to where I can see his gas geysers. I interpret early double gas as banshee play, especially if I see nothing but marines or hellions when I scout the ramp (in fact, even if I can't see his gases I always assume banshees if I see mineral-only units at the front), and respond by putting down a spore crawler in each mineral line and making an additional queen at each hatchery, ensuring I spread connecting creep. I also add a couple of spine crawlers at the front and drone heavily. If his banshees are denied I'm in good shape: I feel like I have the breathing room to take a more aggressive ling/bling/muta stance, grab a third and pressure his mineral lines.

The only time I get caught out is if I assume he's given up on the banshees and he doesn't. A couple of games I've perfectly deflected the first two or three banshees, and then lost when seven or eight turn up a couple of minutes later because I wasn't timely in building my lair or spire.

If banshees don't make an appearance, ling/bling infestor (going easy on the blings for as long as possible to favour upgrades) and creep/overlord spread deal well enough with marine/tank/drops to get me to hive and the unstoppable lawnmower of death that is Ultra/Baneling. If I get to that point, literally the only way I ever lose is if I'm not dilligent at denying further expansions.

ZvT: Future Development

I'm less confident if he forces roaches with blueflame hellions. I either lose all my drones to one of his pokes/drops, or I spend so much time chasing them around that my macro falls apart and my long term goals evaporate. I'd like to have a plan for dealing with hellion harrassment that has a solid follow-up. Right now I don't know whether to skew back toward hive/ultra/bling or make more of my roaches.

I'd also like to be able to end the game earlier when possible. Right now I feel like I'm giving effectively beaten opponents a second or third bite at the cherry, just because I don't know how to exploit early advantages. If I get an eco and army advantage in the midgame, I never seem to be able to do anything with it before he builds cost effective counters. I suspect I need to be thinking in terms of multi-pronged ling/baneling/roach drops, possibly with mutas waiting to pounce on unguarded tanks.

ZvZ: Current Status

Very much in flux until recently. I've settled on 14g14p, being aggressive with my speedlings while expanding, working hard to deny his expansion,teching to roaches, then infestors, and trying to remember to go hive/greater spire if the game goes really long.

What sticks out a mile in ZvZ is how incredibly vulnerable Zerg is in the early game. I've given up trying to gain the economic edge defensively for now, because it's easier to get in his face and slow HIM down.

ZvZ: Future development

I still lose a lot when I'm ahead because I'm not aggressive enough. Often my opponents will just drone up with their fingers crossed, make a buttload of mutalisks and edge their way back into the game by taking map control.

ZvP: Current Status

After an all but unbroken run over the last couple of months, I've become incapable of even thinking the word 'Protoss' without mentally or audibly prepending the word 'fuck'. In conversation I often use the word 'fuck' purely so I can fantasize about saying 'Protoss' afterwards. Sometimes, that's the only reason I start talking at all.

To put this into context, I have never stopped a 4gate. For a while I pre-empted them with a 3roach+speedling rush, but I stopped when I could no longer look Raynor in the eye while the game was booting. "Playing like that, you might as well be a Protoss", the sardonic twist to his lips seemed to say.

Since I stopped doing that rush, I have won on the following occasions:

1. Versus a 1-base stalker-colossus push so late my scouting ling had arthritis. Which would still have killed me if he hadn't obligingly walked all his stalkers into spine-crawler range, let me flank his colossi with lings, and failed to focus-fire my queens allowing me to transfuse them.

2. Versus 1-base phoenix/void ray into 1-base warp-prism zealot/sentry drop into 1-base colussus/expand - essentially suicide; he didn't really need me there at all.

And that's it.

If he 4-gates, I am invariably too slow getting units or spine crawlers. If I get my spine crawlers or units in what I think is time, it's because he's actually made DTs. And if they don't turn up, I get to yet again watch the mad spark of hope ten minutes of furious macro and expansion-denial has ignited casually pissed upon by his 200/200 2-base army.

I am not terribly good at ZvP.

ZvP: Future Development

The only thing that keeps me going is the knowledge that it can't be as hard as I'm making it look. There must be something I'm missing. Maybe it's the angle of his zealot in the otherwise featureless gate/core/pylon face of his base. Maybe it's the number of minerals remaining on the third patch from the left, or the number of steps his stalker takes while killing my scouting overlord. Maybe it's a unit composition that doesn't become obsolete ten seconds after I've assembled it. Maybe it's just banelings. Whatever it is, my failure to apprehend it is wearing my asshole out something fierce.

Thanks for reading.

*****
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
22:55
FSL TeamLeague: PTB vs ASH
Freeedom20
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft676
NeuroSwarm 154
FoxeR 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Terrorterran 13
League of Legends
Doublelift4921
Counter-Strike
summit1g9649
Other Games
fl0m2156
PiGStarcraft1777
C9.Mang0393
JimRising 362
FrodaN241
monkeys_forever142
Trikslyr57
ViBE48
Mew2King22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1317
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 31
• davetesta2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush197
Other Games
• Scarra597
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Spring Champion…
9h 49m
GSL
10h 49m
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
17h 49m
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
22h 49m
WardiTV Spring Champion…
1d 9h
GSL
1d 10h
Patches Events
1d 15h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 17h
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 22h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Douyu Cup 2020
5 days
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
Douyu Cup 2020
6 days
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Light HT
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.