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I just had the best PvP ive had, and i had to share it with you!
I never normally 4 gate as i personally dont like it, however i tried it this game, i have no real timings etc of the 4 gate build, when i moved into his base i saw a twlight, so i thought he was DT rushing (hence the cannons outside my base) Well, he didnt and he went charge.
I then gged and started talking about the game, and you have to see what happened next, made me giggle. He is still not calling me all sorts of names for doing this, i hadnt planned to do this when i GGed, i was just having fun, but then i realised i still had a cannons to defend and a pylon on the map, and he opened 4gate into charge zealots. So i honestly thought it would not work, so i just tried it!
The Game in quesiton : https://rapidshare.com/files/3222122298/best_PvP.SC2Replay
It at least gave me a giggle 
 
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in the preview in the sidebar it reads "That perfect mom..."
i am disappointed
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49625 Posts
On June 09 2011 00:02 jlim wrote:
in the preview in the sidebar it reads "That perfect mom..."
i am disappointed
me too.I am so disappointed.
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So basically you won through saying "gg" to get your opponent's guard down.
Amazing.
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I'm really unsure what kind of reception you're expecting for this. Congrats on doing probably the most dickheadish thing you can do in this game?
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trolololol
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If I was a mod I would ban you from TL, this community doesn't need people like you.
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I dont like people who do this. One time, i was stuck on one base as terran vs a zerg, who had lots of roaches and infestors. I eventualy doom dropped him, killing his entire main. All he had were extractors. after a while: 'is not being revealed anymore!' game lasted an hour, and i had to float my buildings off to the corners just to get some revenge. You seem to be trolling for no good reason, whereas i see my trolling as a bit of revenge.
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Why are you guys all such *homosexual derogatory adjective censored to avoid ban* manner bears (pun intended) attacking this guy? He had a blast doing this, and I'm probably going to try it as well. It's just a fucking internet game, none of you are pros and are just playing for fun; and if you have fun at the expense of a complete stranger's dismay, then so be it.
It's EXACTLY like getting 3 rax scv all-in'ed - you encounter that shit once and probably will never lose to it again.
The OP's opponent got royally mindfucked; +5 inches to e-peen size for OP^^
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Canada7170 Posts
I'm going to leave this open just so you can understand how the community feels about this type of thing. This reminds me of when a friend told me he built farms all over the place in wc3 when almost dead so he could win when the other player left. I wanted to smack him upside the head.
GigaFlop, hiding buildings is terrible manner, too. Revenge or not, take the high road and give them the game. They deserve it, and you sure as hell don't.
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bugger off
It's people like you that turned me into the cold untalkative person I am now whenever I play BW and SC2. The most I ever say in conversation, outside of friendly games, is "hi", "glhf", and "gg". I only stop playing for a split second to respond to my opponent's gg and resume macroing because of idiots like you.
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On June 09 2011 01:50 mikeymoo wrote:
I'm going to leave this open just so you can understand how the community feels about this type of thing. This reminds me of when a friend told me he built farms all over the place in wc3 when almost dead so he could win when the other player left. I wanted to smack him upside the head.
GigaFlop, hiding buildings is terrible manner, too. Revenge or not, take the high road and give them the game. They deserve it, and you sure as hell don't.
I completely agree hiding building is a bad practice because it causes frustration upon the winner, and does not net the building hider any gain whatsoever either.
But mindgaming someone and getting a WIN for oneself is a whole different issue because well, regardless of perceptions of manner, the OP won, felt good about himself, and taught his opponent an important lesson.
It's not like the OP swore insane amounts of profanity at his opponent while building nexuses and pylons everywhere; he won a lost game using mind tactics - he used another set of skills (verbal, written, wits?) to overcome something and became the winner from a hopeless situation. And for that, I'm going to reiterate: +1 interwebs for you OP ^^
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On June 09 2011 01:41 Ravencruiser wrote:
Why are you guys all such *homosexual derogatory adjective censored to avoid ban* manner bears (pun intended) attacking this guy? He had a blast doing this, and I'm probably going to try it as well. It's just a fucking internet game, none of you are pros and are just playing for fun; and if you have fun at the expense of a complete stranger's dismay, then so be it.
It's EXACTLY like getting 3 rax scv all-in'ed - you encounter that shit once and probably will never lose to it again.
The OP's opponent got royally mindfucked; +5 inches to e-peen size for OP^^
While that is a good point, many people play this game competitively, and I guess it's more of an ethical thing than anything. The gg signifies that you've had a good game, and lost, and you're going to leave. Not leaving, then, is in essence lying. While there's no rules against that, it's an ethical thing, like said.
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Guys Guys why so mad about this, ive never done it before and i didnt actually intend to do it, the idea came into my mind because i thought he DT rushed, so i thought why not as he didnt kill off that proxy pylon.
I am sorry for doing it, i got a win out of it. And i normally and never do it on purpose, the idea sprung into my head after i was talking about the charge lots he got, and then if i see that i could get the win... why wouldnt i? Its ladder and the plat level, nothing special, i go for the win, not going to let somebody take a win from me when the victory was right there in front of me. If i planned this and did it on purpose, then yeah sure thats a douche bag thing to do, however i didnt and i feel i just took the win where i saw the win. I wouldnt of GGed if i thought i was going to do that. But i was just asking him about his build as i would like new PvP builds in my play.
GG!
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On June 09 2011 02:14 skemp42 wrote:
Guys Guys why so mad about this, ive never done it before and i didnt actually intend to do it, the idea came into my mind because i thought he DT rushed, so i thought why not as he didnt kill off that proxy pylon.
I am sorry for doing it, i got a win out of it. And i normally and never do it on purpose, the idea sprung into my head after i was talking about the charge lots he got, and then if i see that i could get the win... why wouldnt i? Its ladder and the plat level, nothing special, i go for the win, not going to let somebody take a win from me when the victory was right there in front of me. If i planned this and did it on purpose, then yeah sure thats a douche bag thing to do, however i didnt and i feel i just took the win where i saw the win. I wouldnt of GGed if i thought i was going to do that. But i was just asking him about his build as i would like new PvP builds in my play.
GG!
You wouldn't because it's pretty much one of the most bad-mannered moves in this game. Don't expect to get encouragement or validation from anyone here.
If you could have won, don't GG. If you GG, leave the game. koreasilver summed it up pretty perfectly.
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this is terrible... i hope you get aids
please don't do this kind of shit
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Your justifying it because you got a win? Wtf?
No, you gged, which means you surrender, you shoudl leave after. Who's to say he was even trying after you gged..faggot
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Canada7170 Posts
Please, there's no need for namecalling in this thread.
Saying "gg" means that you surrender. This is a cardinal sin in BW, though it seems some of the new generation of SC2 can't comprehend this. koreasilver nailed it.
On June 09 2011 01:59 Ravencruiser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:50 mikeymoo wrote:
I'm going to leave this open just so you can understand how the community feels about this type of thing. This reminds me of when a friend told me he built farms all over the place in wc3 when almost dead so he could win when the other player left. I wanted to smack him upside the head.
GigaFlop, hiding buildings is terrible manner, too. Revenge or not, take the high road and give them the game. They deserve it, and you sure as hell don't. But mindgaming someone and getting a WIN for oneself is a whole different issue because well, regardless of perceptions of manner, the OP won, felt good about himself, and taught his opponent an important lesson.
Yeah, that lesson is "don't trust anybody online because they have bad manners". What do you mean by "regardless of perceptions of manner"? I'm not discrediting the win. He got a win. Hooray. He's still bad mannered.
It's not like the OP swore insane amounts of profanity at his opponent while building nexuses and pylons everywhere; he won a lost game using mind tactics - he used another set of skills (verbal, written, wits?) to overcome something and became the winner from a hopeless situation. And for that, I'm going to reiterate: +1 interwebs for you OP ^^
"+1 interwebs"? I now understand why you think this is fine. This isn't "mindgaming", it's just a lack of respect for the opponent. If you were to surrender during war and then strike when the opposition's back was turned, there would be worldwide outcry. It's obviously unfair and has no place as a "mechanism" to win. Let's say I have a maphack that is undetectable, and by some interpretation of BNet law, is legal to use. I will call this maphack my "technical tactics". I used my set of programming and legal skills to overcome the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player. So I maphack my opponent and beat his ass silly because of my "technical tactics". +1 interwebs for me, right?
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It's even sad that you agree you got lucky but you decided to go for broke and brag about it.
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On June 09 2011 01:59 Ravencruiser wrote:
I completely agree hiding building is a bad practice because it causes frustration upon the winner, and does not net the building hider any gain whatsoever either.
Nah i disagree, hiding buildings serves as an effective tool when you want to punish your opponent from being a tard. Like forexample if he is a B- player and creates a game called D/D+ fighting!
This retardness needs to get punished with hidden pylons.
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On June 09 2011 01:33 GigaFlop wrote:
I dont like people who do this. One time, i was stuck on one base as terran vs a zerg, who had lots of roaches and infestors. I eventualy doom dropped him, killing his entire main. All he had were extractors. after a while: 'is not being revealed anymore!' game lasted an hour, and i had to float my buildings off to the corners just to get some revenge. You seem to be trolling for no good reason, whereas i see my trolling as a bit of revenge.
Am I the only one that doesn't understand this post? Like, each individual clause makes sense, but put together, the picture doesn't seem to add up.
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I don't feel you bro, sorry. I understand you're new to the community, but taking a part in it involves accepting its ways even though you don't find them necessary or right as an outsider. I suggest you attach an apology to the text and stop posting these or close the blog. One thing is not being a good sport, another is bragging about it. Not GGing is considered a bad sportsmanship here, fake GGing is unacceptable. Not many people here if any will back you up on this one.
Same goes to Ravencruiser.
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On June 09 2011 04:06 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:33 GigaFlop wrote:
I dont like people who do this. One time, i was stuck on one base as terran vs a zerg, who had lots of roaches and infestors. I eventualy doom dropped him, killing his entire main. All he had were extractors. after a while: 'is not being revealed anymore!' game lasted an hour, and i had to float my buildings off to the corners just to get some revenge. You seem to be trolling for no good reason, whereas i see my trolling as a bit of revenge. Am I the only one that doesn't understand this post? Like, each individual clause makes sense, but put together, the picture doesn't seem to add up.
To clarify,
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1. Neither of us expand
2. I kill his main. All he has left are roaches, infestors, two extractors and some drones(ran away).
3. We both expand, I am wondering why he hasnt left yet (25:00~30:00)
4. We sit around, he expands again, and I kill the expo.
5. I nuke his first expo to death, he re-expands there.
6. He overruns me, I lift off
His reasoning was: "i wasnt done yet", therefore I felt like I should use the same attitude(because of anger/revenge/I wanted something to eat). I floated my buildings to the corners, and got something to eat. If the player had overrun me in the first half hour of the game, however, I would have just left.
No, this is not what I normally do, ever. If I'm mad at someone/myself when I know I'm done(rushes, something I feel is imba), I just leave the game.
Wouldn't you have left the game if the only buildings you had were two assimilators/extractors/refineries? Regardless of your units?
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On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
"+1 interwebs"? I now understand why you think this is fine. This isn't "mindgaming", it's just a lack of respect for the opponent. If you were to surrender during war and then strike when the opposition's back was turned, there would be worldwide outcry. It's obviously unfair and has no place as a "mechanism" to win.
Look, I have respect for you since you've somehow earned you mod position and you have the majority on your side on this particular issue, but your naivety astounds me.
Do you know what total war is? I would assume so but from your post it's uncertain that you do. When the Soviets finally rolled into Berlin and Germany surrendered unconditionally, what did the Soviets do? Did they all of a sudden decide to retreat and go "oh look, we just won the war. We'll just take your surrender contract/agreement papers and be on our way now", allowing Germany to mobilize again and perhaps launch a successful counter attack? No, they went in, occupied the shit out of the country, and made damn sure the Germans couldn't feign a surrender and make a comeback. "World outcry"? Come on, really? Do you honestly think the world wasn't outcried to shit already and wanted to destroy Germany as much as one could want, with all the civilian air raids and previous backstabs? It's a part of war, so at the least your analogy is a terrible one.
Do you see where I'm going? It's the same with Starcraft; it's total war. Please tell me why, a gamer, playing an online game for fun, matched up against me trying to kill my stuff and making me lose points/MMR, deserves respect from me? Your respect argument would apply to progamers; most have respect for them because of their hard work, skills, and dedication, but as for your average stranger gamer playing for fun online, why is respect warranted in any way?
On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
Let's say I have a maphack that is undetectable, and by some interpretation of BNet law, is legal to use. I will call this maphack my "technical tactics". I used my set of programming and legal skills to overcome the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player. So I maphack my opponent and beat his ass silly because of my "technical tactics". +1 interwebs for me, right?
Yes exactly. It would be +1 interwebs for you and your programming skills without a single doubt.
If a maphack is undetectable and completely legal to use, then everyone would use it. I really don't see what you're even trying to argue here. Nobody would be "overcoming the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player"; rather everyone would be on equal footing and the game would play out as if everyone visions each other at the start of the game.
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It's not pro, its not good mannered, its not +1 interwebs or whatever the hell that means. Its just poor sportsmanship dude.
To all these armchair sun tzus like ravencruiser, the OP was a dick over the internet, misled someone, and got a win for it. There really isn't a deeper point to be made here, champ.
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On June 09 2011 06:02 Ravencruiser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
"+1 interwebs"? I now understand why you think this is fine. This isn't "mindgaming", it's just a lack of respect for the opponent. If you were to surrender during war and then strike when the opposition's back was turned, there would be worldwide outcry. It's obviously unfair and has no place as a "mechanism" to win.
Look, I have respect for you since you've somehow earned you mod position and you have the majority on your side on this particular issue, but your naivety astounds me. Do you know what total war is? I would assume so but from your post it's uncertain that you do. When the Soviets finally rolled into Berlin and Germany surrendered unconditionally, what did the Soviets do? Did they all of a sudden decide to retreat and go "oh look, we just won the war. We'll just take your surrender contract/agreement papers and be on our way now", allowing Germany to mobilize again and perhaps launch a successful counter attack? No, they went in, occupied the shit out of the country, and made damn sure the Germans couldn't feign a surrender and make a comeback. "World outcry"? Come on, really? Do you honestly think the world wasn't outcried to shit already and wanted to destroy Germany as much as one could want, with all the civilian air raids and previous backstabs? It's a part of war, so at the least your analogy is a terrible one. Do you see where I'm going? It's the same with Starcraft; it's total war. Please tell me why, a gamer, playing an online game for fun, matched up against me trying to kill my stuff and making me lose points/MMR, deserves respect from me? Your respect argument would apply to progamers; most have respect for them because of their hard work, skills, and dedication, but as for your average stranger gamer playing for fun online, why is respect warranted in any way? Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
Let's say I have a maphack that is undetectable, and by some interpretation of BNet law, is legal to use. I will call this maphack my "technical tactics". I used my set of programming and legal skills to overcome the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player. So I maphack my opponent and beat his ass silly because of my "technical tactics". +1 interwebs for me, right?
Yes exactly. It would be +1 interwebs for you and your programming skills without a single doubt. If a maphack is undetectable and completely legal to use, then everyone would use it. I really don't see what you're even trying to argue here. Nobody would be "overcoming the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player"; rather everyone would be on equal footing and the game would play out as if everyone visions each other at the start of the game.
Dude, you don't need to "warrant respect." It's just about being polite to strangers. Are you a douche to random people in real life, too, until they somehow earn your respect? I hope not. Respect should be the default of human interaction in civilized society.
And no, it's not a "total war." It's a video game. We're all playing for fun. If more people are fair, nice, and honest with each other, it's a more fun experience for everyone.
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lol, if anything, trying to do anything to squeeze out a game by taking advantage of social conventions would be the highest point of taking a game too seriously. If you're "playing for fun" then going on lengths to squeeze out points for a ranking simply shouldn't happen. The moment you started equating SC with "total war" you've revealed that you take the game far too seriously. It's people like you that don't allow me to play every game as a friendly game, because every seemingly friendly banter has to be treated with suspicion.
So again, bugger off.
lol how does "you should do everything you can to take advantage in a game, regardless of whether it is unsportmanlike" = "I play the game for fun". Some people are just fucking insane.
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Ravencruiser just drop it and leave. You're starting a flamewar you cannot win here. Keep being a jerk if you can't do better, but don't try to overthrow the fairplay and sportsmanship traditions built throughout the years. What's your point anyway? Will the world be better if we all fake GGs all the time? No. Will there be less players doing it, if we sit down and decide that it's actually okay? No.
If StarCraft is a total war I suppose it's okay to find out where my opponent lives and stab him with a knife irl? Drop the absurd comparison. Also please stop intruding your fantasies of what players would do if A or B upon us. The fact that you're an asshole doesn't mean everyone is.
StarCraft is a game. It's also a sport to a lot of us and we treat it as such. There are traditions in each sport and they're there for a reason. They didn't just come out of nowhere because people considered them cool or "innish". They're there to make the environment and ultimately the gaming experience better for everyone. Nothing pleases me more in a game than proper manner of the opponent ~ and that's including the state of the game itself. If I were to take your approach ad absurdum we wouldn't GG properly, we wouldn't wish the opponent GL HF, we wouldn't greet each other on the street, we wouldn't call an ambulance for a stranger, etc. And why?
Don't be an ass, instead overwhelm your opponent with perfect fairplay, sportsmanship and superior skill. If the opponent is a dick, be nice to him and laugh after the game. There's nothing more funny than a guy saying: "Fuk yor motha u nab" and you replying: "Good luck and have fun to you too, good sir!". Don't be spreading the hate just because you can't win a game fairly. Seriously, don't join the badside. It's cool if you choose a red lightsabre, but BM is just Bad. After all, that's why it's not called Evil, Cool or Revolutionary Manner.
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On June 09 2011 06:02 Ravencruiser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
"+1 interwebs"? I now understand why you think this is fine. This isn't "mindgaming", it's just a lack of respect for the opponent. If you were to surrender during war and then strike when the opposition's back was turned, there would be worldwide outcry. It's obviously unfair and has no place as a "mechanism" to win.
Look, I have respect for you since you've somehow earned you mod position and you have the majority on your side on this particular issue, but your naivety astounds me.Do you know what total war is? I would assume so but from your post it's uncertain that you do. When the Soviets finally rolled into Berlin and Germany surrendered unconditionally, what did the Soviets do? Did they all of a sudden decide to retreat and go "oh look, we just won the war. We'll just take your surrender contract/agreement papers and be on our way now", allowing Germany to mobilize again and perhaps launch a successful counter attack? No, they went in, occupied the shit out of the country, and made damn sure the Germans couldn't feign a surrender and make a comeback. "World outcry"? Come on, really? Do you honestly think the world wasn't outcried to shit already and wanted to destroy Germany as much as one could want, with all the civilian air raids and previous backstabs? It's a part of war, so at the least your analogy is a terrible one. Do you see where I'm going? It's the same with Starcraft; it's total war. Please tell me why, a gamer, playing an online game for fun, matched up against me trying to kill my stuff and making me lose points/MMR, deserves respect from me? Your respect argument would apply to progamers; most have respect for them because of their hard work, skills, and dedication, but as for your average stranger gamer playing for fun online, why is respect warranted in any way? Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
Let's say I have a maphack that is undetectable, and by some interpretation of BNet law, is legal to use. I will call this maphack my "technical tactics". I used my set of programming and legal skills to overcome the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player. So I maphack my opponent and beat his ass silly because of my "technical tactics". +1 interwebs for me, right?
Yes exactly. It would be +1 interwebs for you and your programming skills without a single doubt. If a maphack is undetectable and completely legal to use, then everyone would use it. I really don't see what you're even trying to argue here. Nobody would be "overcoming the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player"; rather everyone would be on equal footing and the game would play out as if everyone visions each other at the start of the game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883
2. THOU SHALL OBSERVE FORUM ETIQUETTE
6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS
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Also, your "total war" example doesn't fit with what happened in that game.
Do you know what total war is? I would assume so but from your post it's uncertain that you do. When the Soviets finally rolled into Berlin and Germany surrendered unconditionally, what did the Soviets do? Did they all of a sudden decide to retreat and go "oh look, we just won the war. We'll just take your surrender contract/agreement papers and be on our way now", allowing Germany to mobilize again and perhaps launch a successful counter attack? No, they went in, occupied the shit out of the country, and made damn sure the Germans couldn't feign a surrender and make a comeback. "World outcry"? Come on, really? Do you honestly think the world wasn't outcried to shit already and wanted to destroy Germany as much as one could want, with all the civilian air raids and previous backstabs? It's a part of war, so at the least your analogy is a terrible one.
So Soviets -> Germany, and Germany "GG's", so Soviets go and destroy the Germans anyways. then you go into some random bullshit about the world wanting to destroy the Germans which isn't even relevant to "gg". And how does this fit into how the OP said?
Essentially what the _OP_ said would be that
Soviets -> Germany, and germany GG's, and then Germans go kill the soviets
Also you apparently DON'T KNOW what "Total War" means.
Main Entry: total war
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a war in which every available weapon is used and the nation's full financial resources are devoted
"Surrendering, but not really and hitting their back" is not total war.
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On June 09 2011 06:02 Ravencruiser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
"+1 interwebs"? I now understand why you think this is fine. This isn't "mindgaming", it's just a lack of respect for the opponent. If you were to surrender during war and then strike when the opposition's back was turned, there would be worldwide outcry. It's obviously unfair and has no place as a "mechanism" to win.
Look, I have respect for you since you've somehow earned you mod position and you have the majority on your side on this particular issue, but your naivety astounds me. Do you know what total war is? I would assume so but from your post it's uncertain that you do. When the Soviets finally rolled into Berlin and Germany surrendered unconditionally, what did the Soviets do? Did they all of a sudden decide to retreat and go "oh look, we just won the war. We'll just take your surrender contract/agreement papers and be on our way now", allowing Germany to mobilize again and perhaps launch a successful counter attack? No, they went in, occupied the shit out of the country, and made damn sure the Germans couldn't feign a surrender and make a comeback. "World outcry"? Come on, really? Do you honestly think the world wasn't outcried to shit already and wanted to destroy Germany as much as one could want, with all the civilian air raids and previous backstabs? It's a part of war, so at the least your analogy is a terrible one. Do you see where I'm going? It's the same with Starcraft; it's total war. Please tell me why, a gamer, playing an online game for fun, matched up against me trying to kill my stuff and making me lose points/MMR, deserves respect from me? Your respect argument would apply to progamers; most have respect for them because of their hard work, skills, and dedication, but as for your average stranger gamer playing for fun online, why is respect warranted in any way? Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
Let's say I have a maphack that is undetectable, and by some interpretation of BNet law, is legal to use. I will call this maphack my "technical tactics". I used my set of programming and legal skills to overcome the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player. So I maphack my opponent and beat his ass silly because of my "technical tactics". +1 interwebs for me, right?
Yes exactly. It would be +1 interwebs for you and your programming skills without a single doubt. If a maphack is undetectable and completely legal to use, then everyone would use it. I really don't see what you're even trying to argue here. Nobody would be "overcoming the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player"; rather everyone would be on equal footing and the game would play out as if everyone visions each other at the start of the game.
Congrats, you can't tell real world from video games, fail comparison of WW2 to SC2. You can't compare the two because of something called real life where there are real consequences for things and people usually weigh in the Pros and Cons of their actions.
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On June 09 2011 06:10 See.Blue wrote:
It's not pro, its not good mannered, its not +1 interwebs or whatever the hell that means. Its just poor sportsmanship dude.
To all these armchair sun tzus like ravencruiser, the OP was a dick over the internet, misled someone, and got a win for it. There really isn't a deeper point to be made here, champ.
pretty much. I never leave a game right away when the opponent gg's if he's bming me during the game, it's saved me from shit like this two or three times.
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What I don't understand is why you brag about being an asshole?
If you give your best in a game, and decide you have lost, what do you gain from deceiving your opponent with a cheap trick like that? An empty victory and a false sense of accomplishment. You also lose the opportunity to find a potential practice partner. If he legitimately beat you, you may want to learn from him.
I'm sorry but this post has no respect for the effort of your opponent.Even if what you did was allowed doesn't make it right.
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On June 09 2011 06:28 koreasilver wrote:
lol, if anything, trying to do anything to squeeze out a game by taking advantage of social conventions would be the highest point of taking a game too seriously. If you're "playing for fun" then going on lengths to squeeze out points for a ranking simply shouldn't happen. The moment you started equating SC with "total war" you've revealed that you take the game far too seriously. It's people like you that don't allow me to play every game as a friendly game, because every seemingly friendly banter has to be treated with suspicion.
So again, bugger off.
lol how does "you should do everything you can to take advantage in a game, regardless of whether it is unsportmanlike" = "I play the game for fun". Some people are just fucking insane.
Couldn't have said it better myself. If the game is so important for you to act like a huge douche bag, its time to re-evaluate.
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Your opponent didn't trash talk you when you did it? Props to that guy.
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On June 09 2011 06:02 Ravencruiser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
"+1 interwebs"? I now understand why you think this is fine. This isn't "mindgaming", it's just a lack of respect for the opponent. If you were to surrender during war and then strike when the opposition's back was turned, there would be worldwide outcry. It's obviously unfair and has no place as a "mechanism" to win.
Look, I have respect for you since you've somehow earned you mod position and you have the majority on your side on this particular issue, but your naivety astounds me. Do you know what total war is? I would assume so but from your post it's uncertain that you do. When the Soviets finally rolled into Berlin and Germany surrendered unconditionally, what did the Soviets do? Did they all of a sudden decide to retreat and go "oh look, we just won the war. We'll just take your surrender contract/agreement papers and be on our way now", allowing Germany to mobilize again and perhaps launch a successful counter attack? No, they went in, occupied the shit out of the country, and made damn sure the Germans couldn't feign a surrender and make a comeback. "World outcry"? Come on, really? Do you honestly think the world wasn't outcried to shit already and wanted to destroy Germany as much as one could want, with all the civilian air raids and previous backstabs? It's a part of war, so at the least your analogy is a terrible one. Do you see where I'm going? It's the same with Starcraft; it's total war. Please tell me why, a gamer, playing an online game for fun, matched up against me trying to kill my stuff and making me lose points/MMR, deserves respect from me? Your respect argument would apply to progamers; most have respect for them because of their hard work, skills, and dedication, but as for your average stranger gamer playing for fun online, why is respect warranted in any way? Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:06 mikeymoo wrote:
Let's say I have a maphack that is undetectable, and by some interpretation of BNet law, is legal to use. I will call this maphack my "technical tactics". I used my set of programming and legal skills to overcome the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player. So I maphack my opponent and beat his ass silly because of my "technical tactics". +1 interwebs for me, right?
Yes exactly. It would be +1 interwebs for you and your programming skills without a single doubt. If a maphack is undetectable and completely legal to use, then everyone would use it. I really don't see what you're even trying to argue here. Nobody would be "overcoming the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player"; rather everyone would be on equal footing and the game would play out as if everyone visions each other at the start of the game.
a) Do you feel it would be a good tactic to unplug your opponent's computer? +1 to your unplugging skills? Do you think LANs should become races to unplug the opponent's machine?
b) Do you think everyone would still use a maphack if it was detectable? What if the community would ostracize you if you were caught using it? If not everyone used it, would it then be "overcoming the disadvantage of being a horrible SC player"?
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I don't really see this as being a big deal. Plenty of people have done this to me in the past, but it's never fooled me. Simple rule of thumb: Never assume the game is over until the other player leaves. In a way I find games that rely on mind games to be more interesting than ones on raw talent alone... perhaps that's why I enjoy phantom mode way too much.
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We don't need people like you in our community. I hope you realize how pathetic your actions were.
User was warned for this post
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Wow skemp! I don't think you were expecting this sort of hostile reaction hahaha. "I'll share this awesome thing I did" BAM hammer to the face from the community. Aww poor guy... I feel for you.
Just like your opponent learned not to let his guard down after a gg, you just learned not to share your cheesy BM with a community full of angry teenagers. We each learn something new everyday <3
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I once fake GG'd (accidentally) because I noticed after a moment I could still actually win... My opponent was sad about it when I destroyed his base after, so I left the game for him, lol.
Never fake GG
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The ignorance in this thread is astounding, people can't even take 5 second to google if the shit they're posting is factually accurate.
Total War = Total war is a war in which a belligerent engages in the complete mobilization of all their available resources and population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_War
edit: Just read the rest of the second page, its good to see there are people who don't fall into this category.
ie. This has nothing to do with fake gging and backstabbing someone.
Fake gging is like the biggest dick move ever, there's something to learn from playing BW, and that's that the internet doesn't have to full of complete jackasses, just because the option is there, doesn't mean you have to take it. But hey, what goes around comes around.
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DarthXX: Who cares? If the comparison is absurd you don't need to google shit. Just use common sense. You can tell that people comparing war to a game aren't sane and quoting wiki every post ain't gonna make you look clever anyway.
Ravencruiser: Sorry if you thought I told you to leave the site, actually I was suggesting you stop discussing and leave the thread since I knew what would come and that you wouldn't like it. Obviously you're still one of us and I love you It's just that I've been in the eSports for 10 years and I've always been a good sport and always wanted to spread this as much as I could, and when I see someone doing the exact oposite with no good reason a little piece of me dies inside. I realize that with the game (and TL) getting popular this will become the new mainstream, though.
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It's okay, now you learned. ^^
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Its still a cardinal sin.
Extremely bm.
I hope you learned your lesson.
Manner up.
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Saying gg and staying in the game for a while is annoying.
Saying gg, then talking about the game while still playing trying to win is kind of a dick move to be honest.
On June 09 2011 01:59 koreasilver wrote:
It's people like you that turned me into the cold untalkative person I am now whenever I play BW and SC2. The most I ever say in conversation, outside of friendly games, is "hi", "glhf", and "gg". I only stop playing for a split second to respond to my opponent's gg and resume macroing because of idiots like you.
Same for me. 
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On June 09 2011 21:50 SnowFantasy wrote:Saying gg and staying in the game for a while is annoying. Saying gg, then talking about the game while still playing trying to win is kind of a dick move to be honest. Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:59 koreasilver wrote:
It's people like you that turned me into the cold untalkative person I am now whenever I play BW and SC2. The most I ever say in conversation, outside of friendly games, is "hi", "glhf", and "gg". I only stop playing for a split second to respond to my opponent's gg and resume macroing because of idiots like you. Same for me.
I still like to chat in the beginning of the matches with some friendly banter or talk about how annoying ZvZ is, but i don't take the opponents gg that serious anymore. If he gg's and talks, i still fight at 100% (but still talk to the opponent, if he wastes APM, i can do so, too). The game is won when the opponent leaves, not a single second earlier.
There are too many idiots out there, getting angry about them just makes you depressed, so it's better to assume the opponent is not an idiot and be friendly, but still fight as if he is one.
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It's not something I'd do, but I'm not against someone who chooses.
You can preach chivalry and honour and being a gentleman and all these great superficial characteristics because you grew up riding a horse while wearing shiny armor, but the reality is your just another anonymous online gamer in a setting deemed immature by almost everyone. Both sides of this argument have people with humorous standpoints in my opinion. On one end, you have people claiming a lack of morals over an in-game internet chatroom, and on the other you have a comparison to total war with references from WW2. Justify it however you'd like, that's the reality of it. There are probably many reading laughing at you both.
This thread really is something. The best part is the almighty e-hammers are in on the fun too.
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On June 09 2011 22:33 Horrde wrote:
It's not something I'd do, but I'm not against someone who chooses.
You can preach chivalry and honour and being a gentleman and all these great superficial characteristics because you grew up riding a horse while wearing shiny armor, but the reality is your just another anonymous online gamer in a setting deemed immature by almost everyone. Both sides of this argument have people with humorous standpoints in my opinion. On one end, you have people claiming a lack of morals over an in-game internet chatroom, and on the other you have a comparison to total war with references from WW2. Justify it however you'd like, that's the reality of it. There are probably many reading laughing at you both.
This thread really is something. The best part is the almighty e-hammers are in on the fun too. I take starcraft pretty seriously. Anyone else?
I don't care if the people reading are laughing either.
Its more than a game mate. Morals apply everywhere anyways..
I actually can't determine the point of your post other than to bait. And call out the mods?
Manner is important.
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On June 09 2011 22:33 Horrde wrote:
It's not something I'd do, but I'm not against someone who chooses.
You can preach chivalry and honour and being a gentleman and all these great superficial characteristics because you grew up riding a horse while wearing shiny armor, but the reality is your just another anonymous online gamer in a setting deemed immature by almost everyone. Both sides of this argument have people with humorous standpoints in my opinion. On one end, you have people claiming a lack of morals over an in-game internet chatroom, and on the other you have a comparison to total war with references from WW2. Justify it however you'd like, that's the reality of it. There are probably many reading laughing at you both.
This thread really is something. The best part is the almighty e-hammers are in on the fun too.
So you're saying since it is a setting deemed immature by almost everyone we should just confirm what they're saying by continuing to be dicks to each other?
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I think the fake GG is a viable strategy. It's unethical, but it's viable.
It's ethical to deceive your opponents in other ways as well- sending empty medivacs or speed ovies.
Is it ethical to chat to your opponent while cheesing?
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On June 09 2011 23:13 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 22:33 Horrde wrote:
It's not something I'd do, but I'm not against someone who chooses.
You can preach chivalry and honour and being a gentleman and all these great superficial characteristics because you grew up riding a horse while wearing shiny armor, but the reality is your just another anonymous online gamer in a setting deemed immature by almost everyone. Both sides of this argument have people with humorous standpoints in my opinion. On one end, you have people claiming a lack of morals over an in-game internet chatroom, and on the other you have a comparison to total war with references from WW2. Justify it however you'd like, that's the reality of it. There are probably many reading laughing at you both.
This thread really is something. The best part is the almighty e-hammers are in on the fun too. I take starcraft pretty seriously. Anyone else? I don't care if the people reading are laughing either. Its more than a game mate. Morals apply everywhere anyways.. I actually can't determine the point of your post other than to bait. And call out the mods? Manner is important.
What things that are unethical in life are unethical in the game? It's a good question.
-Misleading
-Misdirection
-Cheating
-Ab/using race strengths
-Ab/using race weaknesses
-Delaying-pausing.
-Lying in the chat (I have lots of marines, I'm going banshees -siege tank, marauder show up).
-Not taking things seriously at all.
-Toying with a weaker opponent.
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Well, this discussion is going no where... I think it is time for-
![[image loading]](http://www.esportsfrance.com/images/funky_krok/logo_kespa.jpg)
*epic fanfare smackdown*
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On June 09 2011 23:13 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 22:33 Horrde wrote:
It's not something I'd do, but I'm not against someone who chooses.
You can preach chivalry and honour and being a gentleman and all these great superficial characteristics because you grew up riding a horse while wearing shiny armor, but the reality is your just another anonymous online gamer in a setting deemed immature by almost everyone. Both sides of this argument have people with humorous standpoints in my opinion. On one end, you have people claiming a lack of morals over an in-game internet chatroom, and on the other you have a comparison to total war with references from WW2. Justify it however you'd like, that's the reality of it. There are probably many reading laughing at you both.
This thread really is something. The best part is the almighty e-hammers are in on the fun too. I take starcraft pretty seriously. Anyone else? I don't care if the people reading are laughing either. Its more than a game mate. Morals apply everywhere anyways.. I actually can't determine the point of your post other than to bait. And call out the mods? Manner is important.
Okay, you didn't understand my point. And just what part of that is my problem?
I'll tell what my point wasn't meant to do: it wasn't meant to bait you to reply and state that you don't understand in hopes that I would reply with a post to enlighten you on where you failed to determine the point of my previous post. I guess I just did, well sort of.
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On June 10 2011 00:37 bobwhiz wrote:
I think the fake GG is a viable strategy. It's unethical, but it's viable.
It's ethical to deceive your opponents in other ways as well- sending empty medivacs or speed ovies.
Is it ethical to chat to your opponent while cheesing?
Is it ethical to maphack when you opponent assumes you're both playing on a level field? You could drag that logic anywhere.
There are standard conventions for competitive play, and OP breaks a big one - gg means you're done.
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