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Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 27 2011 06:43 GMT
#21
On May 27 2011 12:45 SlipperySnake wrote:
The assumption that Flash and Jaedong will be dominant with little effort if true or at least believed ruins the illusion of SC2 as real competition.

That's the main problem with what you're trying to say.

People who believe Flash and Jaedong would destroy the competitive scene should they switch to SC2 believe they will because they possess the necessary skills to propel them that far ahead that quickly. Two weeks may be an exaggeration, though

You're assuming that such people believe they'd come over and be dominant, "with little effort" or whatever. That's not the case.

A large and important part of what makes Jaedong and Flash the top players in BW right now and what makes people believe they would be top players in SC2 is the amount of effort and willpower they put into the game. Those two have an uncommon drive and competitive spirit to be at the top of the game they have chosen. That's the key.

At the highest levels of BW play, the difference in mechanics between players are almost (not completely, but almost) negligible. Beyond that, all pro players are back up by teams which work together to develop and optimize new build orders and strategies. At the end of the day, those things really aren't what those two will be remembered for.

Should Jaedong and Flash switch to SC2, what will largely take them to the top is the effort they will put into the game and the competitive spirit they possess. It won't be just their mechanics or their BW game sense. That's not what anyone is saying.

So to reiterate, you're completely misunderstanding what the people you're disagreeing with are saying. Flash and Jaedong would destroy SC2 with their incredible work ethic, passion, and love for competition.
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Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
May 27 2011 06:45 GMT
#22
i thought fruitdealer sucked now?
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
May 27 2011 07:06 GMT
#23
fd does, i think he means nestea.

no one is saying with no effort tbls will be able to transition and dominate. that's because ppl like flash have the most effort (lolosl). and that effort translates into godly gameplay.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 27 2011 07:35 GMT
#24
On May 27 2011 16:06 Diglett wrote:
fd does, i think he means nestea.

no one is saying with no effort tbls will be able to transition and dominate. that's because ppl like flash have the most effort (lolosl). and that effort translates into godly gameplay.

Er, right.
That is what I meant - fixed :D
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 27 2011 07:40 GMT
#25
There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Flash would be the best SC2 player in the world given a reasonable amount of time (not two weeks (although I'm sure he would be really fucking good after that time as well) but a couple of months). There isn't a single aspect of competetive RTS that he doesn't master.
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Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
May 27 2011 07:47 GMT
#26
he doesnt seem to grasp turrets very well yet. its either too little, or 107
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
WaterTower
Profile Joined May 2011
France138 Posts
June 10 2011 11:39 GMT
#27
JD and Flash will dominate the scene because they have the mindset, speed, intelligence, and dedication that no one else has.
WaterTower
Profile Joined May 2011
France138 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-10 12:34:19
June 10 2011 12:09 GMT
#28
The only thing I wonder about is if SC BW can survive the loss of Jaedong and Flash to injury or switch. They are the main people keeping SC progaming alive, along with smaller contributions from Bisu.

I doubt even the entire rolster of the next grade of players, including Zero, Stork, Leta can keep SC progaming barely alive.
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