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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 16:15:30
May 19 2011 14:49 GMT
#1
This will be my first attempt at ranking SC2 Pros. I have seen some other sub-par attempts so I will do my best to fully explain my choices. I look forward to feedback and constructive criticism . I know the game is highly volatile with the top players constantly changing but I firmly believe as long as there is competition, there can be rankings. Hope you enjoy!

Some notes:
Anyone playing in Korea will considered for the Korean Top 10 pool (i.e. (P)HuK, (T)Jinro etc)
The only results and performances I will be looking at will be recent major Tournaments (GSL, GSTL, NASL, TSL, MLG, DH, IEM, Stars War) and relevant broadcasted matches played on same server settings.

WARNING RANKINGS INCLUDE SPOILERS OF RECENT TOURNAMENTS

Top 10 Koreans (Or in Korea)
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1. (Z)NesTea
It would be hard to put anyone else here with his recent domination of the most prestigious tournament in the world. His matches against (T)sC gave a glimmer of light to a true superstar in SC2. His obliteration of (P)InCa in the finals was a true homage to this most recent GSL run. After a failed double expand risk against (P)Alicia and a sloppy game against (T)Clide's hellions (Z)NesTea went on a roll. Defeating (T)Jinro, (Z)FruitDealer and (P)anypro in very convincing fashion. His ZvP is probably the best in the world as is his ZvZ. His ZvT is questionable (especially when heavily harassed) but still remains at a world-class level.

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2. (P)MC
After a disappointing GSL Code S season, (P)MC has come back with a fury. He 2-0'd (Z)Ace in Stars War then 3 killed StarTales (Z)Ace, (T)Bomber and (Z)July back to back to back. His PvP is obviously top 2 or 3 in the world his PvZ is still seemingly unstoppable and his PvT has not been tested recently. Argue that he is risky but with control like he has, he can overcome almost any obstacle.

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3. (T)MVP
I love the fact that I can rank all 3 races in the top 3 and feel safe about doing so. I believe that the 3, 4 and 5 spots are more of a 3a, 3b and 3c. (T)MVP went on his expected rampage through Code A losing only in the finals to a looking like the monster we all came to know and fear during his Code S Season 1 run. It is disappointing that we did not get to see him perform in Stars War and GSTL but being that this is a power ranking I would feel uncomfortable picking anyone to beat him right now. His TvZ is probably the best in the world, his TvT is also among the best and his TvP has remained untested but I feel we are about to see the re-emergence of the champion MVP of Season 1.

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4. (T)sC
If you haven't watched his series against (Z)NesTea I don't know what you are doing with your life. (T)sC took the number 1 player in the world to the brink and was literally a unit or two from being in the GSL Code S finals. I feel as if being on Fou has somehow hindered how the community sees this absolute monster of a terran. He made (T)LosirA look like he belonged back in Code A when they met in the Quarterfinals of GSL. He is only ranked behind (T)MVP because his other matches ((T)Byun, (T)Polt, (P)RainBOw) were unimpressive victories over equally unimpressive opponents. His TvZ is unreal, inspirational, and any other positive adjectives you want to throw in here. His TvT still resides towards the top of the terran class and his TvP (like (T)MVP) is untested.

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5. (T)Bomber
(T)Bomber beat (T)MVP, (T)MMA, (T)Ryung, and (T)Lyn. I am going to repeat that sentence, (T)Bomber beat (T)MVP, (T)MMA, (T)Ryung, and (T)Lyn. His TvT is the best in the world hands down and it is hard to argue otherwise. (T)Bomber's reason for being 5th instead of third or fourth is his lack of results in any non-mirror matchup. His cheese rush fail vs. (P)MC in GSTL was a tell-tale sign he is uncomfortable with the matchup and his TvZ is not on the level of (T)MVP or (T)sC.

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6. (P)anypro
Once again I feel like the next 2 could be 6a and 6b. I'm going with the more recent victor (P)anypro over (Z)July but only by a hair. (P)anypro has been on fire in the past two Code S tournaments. Losing to (Z)NesTea in Season 3 and (Z)July in Season 2 and then beating him season 3 is nothing to be upset about. He is constantly improving and showing the competition that he is here to stay. He is not cheesy or nearly as risky as (P)MC which makes him one of the more well liked Toss players. His PvZ is fantastic, his PvT might be even better and his PvP is coin-flippy but for sure above average.

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7. (Z)July
The God Of War golden mouse winner would have been so much higher if not for losses to (P)MC in the recent GSTL and (P)anypro in the recent GSL. His ZvP is still fantastic despite all this. He has wins over incredibly talented housemates (Z)Ace, (P)Squirtle and Virus. He also beat (P)HuK (ok I am a TL fan) and hasn’t lost to a terran not named (T)MMA is seemingly forever. The only thing untested is (Z)July's ZvZ which doesn't worry me much considering the lack of zergs in general in tournaments. He is second to (Z)NesTea in ZvP and has arguably the best ZvT in the world earning him a SOLID 7 spot on this top 10.

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8. (P)Alicia
Here is where the rankings go from debatable to all hell breaking loose, how can you rank them there kind of discussion. I have (P)Alicia at 8 because this chick dude is an absolute baller with a flurry of huge victories under his belt. Beating (Z)Zenio, (T)NaDa and (P)MarineKing in his Code S group following his beating of (Z)NesTea, (T)LosirA, (T)Yoda and winning a BO3 against (T)MVP. I don't think there is anyone in the world with as impressive a list of victims over the recent tournaments in Korea. I don’t think that anyone wants to play a BO1 against (P)Alicia making him a force to be reckoned with in any tournament or team match. PvT and PvZ are some of the best out there and his PvP remains untested and a question mark.

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9. (T)LosirA
(T)LosirA gained so many fans with the original GSTL with a win and ceremony over (Z)July before dancing his way to a loss against (T)Bomber in what is still one of my favorite team battles to date. (T)LosirA is a beast, I love watching him play, his game against the 8th ranked (P)Alicia was unbelievable, his all kill in the GSTL was EZPZ and (T)LosirA went through Kryix twice to advance in Code S. That being said (T)LosirA doesnt have the on paper results that match his actual skill level. He could easily crack the top 5 of this list if he could just take that next step especially in ZvT and there would be nothing I would like to see more. His ZvZ and ZvP are both fantastic and he will continue to be a contender in any tournament he enters.

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10. (P)InCa
This feels so strange considering he just came in second at the worlds largest tournament. His run to get there was not easy either. Taking down (T)NaDa, (T)Rain, (P)Virus, and now multiple victories against (P)HuK his PvT is extremely high level and his PvP is unstoppable. To be specific his PvP is on par with (P)MC as the two best PvP players in the world. His PvT has been proven time and time again. Why is he at the 10 spot then? Because of DT's If (P)InCa could just learn how to PvZ he would be an absolute threat to win multiple titles his other matchups are so good, however until he learns that spore crawlers can detect cloaked units he will probably face a problem at some point in any tournament.



Top 10 Outside of Korea
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1. (P)NaNiwa
I don't care he lost to (T)ThorZaIN in the TSL finals this guy has to be the #1 player outside of Korea. His record in boX is close to immaculate against some of the toughest competition the world has to offer. Since April he has beaten (Z)ViBE, (Z)Machine, (P)Tyler, (T)Drewbie, (P)KiWiKaKi, (T)SeleCT, (P)Socke, (T)GoOdy, (P)CrunCher, (T)KawaiiRice, (T)dde, (Z)SLush and (P)HasuObs. His runs through the TSL and MLG were both magnificent playing almost flawlessly up until both finals. His PvP is the best in the world outside Korea, his PvT might also be the best, and his PvZ includes past wins over (Z)Idra, (Z)Ret and (Z)MorroW and a 2-3 loss to (Z)Sen. Watch him pick apart (T)GoOdy or (P)HasuObs in the TSL if you need further proof to how good of a player we are all privileged to watch.

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2. (P)KiWiKaKi
Yes I realize that I have 2 protoss at the head of these rankings, and that they met in the Finals of MLG. But its extremely hard to argue against (P)KiWiKaKi when he puts up unbelievable results in every tournament he enters. He's beaten (T)SeleCT, (T)Stalife, (Z)MorroW, (P)Axslav, (Z)ViBE and (Z)Sheth all within the past 25 or so days. The creativity that he plays with is almost unheard of in a very build order dependant race. He doesn't enter a ton of tournaments making him a little bit underrated but when he does his results are consistent. His PvP is second to (P)NaNiwa's and his PvT seems flawless. His PvZ struggles against (Z)Idra but with recent wins against (Z)Sheth and (Z)MorroW we can call that a wash.

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3. (T)SeleCT
No one in the foreign scene has been as consistent as (T)SeleCT. He is an absolute monster with his multi-task and his refined builds and play style makes him almost a guarantee in the early rounds of any tournament. I don't think I have ever heard the phrase (T)SeleCT knocked out by an unknown player early in (insert Tournament Name here). There is almost no comparable Terran other than (T)Kas and (T)ThorZaIN in the Foreign scene today which also makes what he does that much more impressive. What is almost definitive of (T)SeleCT is that he is consistent not only in results but in matchups as well. He is probably top 3 (shoutout (P)HuK) in the foreign scene in all 3 matchups not just specializing in one in specific. This type of consistency leaves him as a scary opponent for anyone to face.

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4. (Z)Idra
Say what you want about his thoughts on other players and balance, he backs it up with some huge results. He made the legend (P)White-Ra look childish in Stars War with his near perfect micro and decision making. His recent match vs. (Z)Sen was a little shaky making me question his ZvZ but this comes on the heels of a murdering of (Z)Sheth in their show match. Recent wins over (P)Socke, (P)KiWiKaKi, (T)Fenix, (T)Drewbie, (T)ClouD, (T)TLO and (T)SeleCT all prove his value in ZvP and ZvT. When he gets past early timing pushes and cheese he is almost unstoppable with close to flawless macro and beautiful multi-task play. As he continues to finish more consistently as he has been he will shoot up these rankings.

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5. (T)ThorZaIN
He has to drop to 5 because of the complete lack of results he has posted. While his run through the TSL was absolutely not a fluke it is still not evidence enough to crack the top 4. (T)ThorZaIN may have the best preparation of any foreigner today and has one of the most impressive runs through a tournament since SC2's release. His TvP is the best in the world outside Korea hands down with victories over (P)MC, (P)NaNiwa and (P)Tyler. He also proved that his TvT to be world class beating (T)Kas (the TvT master by most peoples regard). I cannot wait to see more of (T)ThorZaIN so that we can truly grasp how good he really is.

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6. (T)Kas
To have (T)Kas any lower I feel would be a sin and an insult to this fantastic player. I feel (T)Kas represents the Korean work ethic in a foreigners play, having the most refined builds on the scene and a macro that ranks among the worlds elite. He is stellar in all matchups similar to (T)SeleCT with his TvT setting him truly apart from the pack. He has the most results of anyone due to him participating in every tournament he can enter, and living in Europe has certainly afforded him the opportunity to play in competitive settings often. If there were an area for me to be skeptical of it would be his TvZ as it is highly untested at the highest levels and seems to be his most unstable matchup.

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7. (Z)DIMAGA
God am I a Fan of (Z)DIMAGA. Even when he loses its epic and he doesnt lose often. If you don't think he deserves on this list note that he has recently beaten (P)Socke, (P)ToD, (P)iNcontroL, (T)GoOdy, Adelscot and (T)qxc. That's a nice array of Terrans and Toss but what really drives him to this ranking was the GSL WC where he beat (Z)July and (T)MVP back to back and then beat (Z)NesTea the best player in the world 2 out of 3. Its unfortunate he is not in the NASL but I am positive he will be next season. I look forward to the future of zerg coming from him.

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8. (T)Strelok
Recent wins over (Z)Sen, (T)Happy, (T)Beastyqt, (Z)mOOnGLaDe, (P)Axslav and (P)Socke show that this guy is playing some of the best terran in the world. Losses to (T)BRAT_OK, (Z)Nerchio and Adelscot are holding him back in the rankings. Big wins over (P)Squirtle, (Z)Idra, and (T)SeleCT make me feel safe putting him at the 8 spot. He is a constant threat to take down any player anytime and proves to be a tough player in all matchups. (T)Strelok is someone that could surprise the world winning an event like DH or NASL and has the potential and skill to top these rankings one day.

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9. (Z)Sen
I feel like there are a lot of (Z)Sen fans looking for this name a lot earlier. Even I was trying (bias bias bias) to get him higher up on the list, but I find him dropping here to the 9 slot. Yes, he has beaten MKP, (P)anypro, (P)White-Ra, (Z)Zenio, (P)Tyler and (Z)The Gracken , but these are all spaced out over a large amount of time and he doesn't not have the quantity yet to really shoot up this rankings. Make no mistake, (Z)Sen may be the best zerg outside of Korea, he is fluent in all matchups, his macro and micro are both world class and I liquibet him every match he is in. But with all that said I need to see more from (Z)Sen before I put him in the top 5 or higher where he probably deserves.

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10. (P)HasuObs
Oh wow, a teamliquid rankings with the top 4 of the TSL all in the top 10. I know I'm cliche and a little biased towards the home team tourney’s results, but is anyone really going to argue that these guys ((P)NaNiwa, (T)ThorZaIN, (T)Kas and (P)HasuObs) AREN'T considered around the top 10 in the world outside of Korea. (P)HasuObs, your losses to (Z)MorroW, (Z)Stephano and (Z)ViBE sucked, sorry, but your wins against (Z)CatZ, Strelock, (Z)Machine, (Z)MorroW (TSL), (T)BoxeR, (P)Socke and (T)SeleCT all keep you rounding out this top 10. His PvZ needs work without question, but his PvP is world class along with his PvT. I see nothing but more success in the future of (P)HasuObs.





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TheCtd400
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States136 Posts
May 19 2011 15:05 GMT
#2
This is really good. Do this weekly.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 15:08 GMT
#3
Thanks, I was thinking more monthly, being that while there is a TON of coverage and tournies, a weekly thing might be too volatile and water down the rankings. Maybe bi-weekly, or whenever I have time
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ExquisiteRed
Profile Joined February 2011
396 Posts
May 19 2011 15:12 GMT
#4
first good sc2 pr that ive read in a while, nice job
Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
May 19 2011 15:24 GMT
#5
This isn't bad, and i didn't expect to agree with all of it when i saw the thread, so i am reasonable happy with reading this. Personally i don't rate kiwikaki as highly as you do, nor dimaga, who in my opinion has shown little that has blown me away recently.

My biggest issue however is the lack of MMA, after following the GSTL to the end he is a beast, and him falling in the up and down matches is the saddest thing to have happened in korea for a while

I do wonder however what you think of players like: whitera, incontrol, sheth? all three of whom are absolute beasts at the moment, and i can't see them any lower than the people in the second half of that list
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
May 19 2011 15:28 GMT
#6
Is this for the month of May? If so MvP is like :|
Good ranking I like the inclusion of Alicia since he's the only protoss in Korea who knows how to play atm xD
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TheCtd400
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States136 Posts
May 19 2011 15:33 GMT
#7
Idra has the wrong race icon
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Dark-Storm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada334 Posts
May 19 2011 15:37 GMT
#8
ihmo I'd put MMA above inca. Inca is known for his PvP but hasnt really done much in the other matchups
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 19 2011 15:39 GMT
#9
Power Ranks are always nice^^
While I don't think TL is ready for a standardized and highly publicized SCII Power Rank, given the highly volatile nature of the game currently, that shouldn't stop you guys from writing your own. If you can keep it up month after month, in the future everybody can look back to see how the game started~
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 15:44 GMT
#10
On May 20 2011 00:24 Surili wrote:
This isn't bad, and i didn't expect to agree with all of it when i saw the thread, so i am reasonable happy with reading this. Personally i don't rate kiwikaki as highly as you do, nor dimaga, who in my opinion has shown little that has blown me away recently.

My biggest issue however is the lack of MMA, after following the GSTL to the end he is a beast, and him falling in the up and down matches is the saddest thing to have happened in korea for a while

I do wonder however what you think of players like: whitera, incontrol, sheth? all three of whom are absolute beasts at the moment, and i can't see them any lower than the people in the second half of that list


Thanks for your feedback.

I wrote this PR after the first round of the GSTL so MMA had yet to play and was fresh off losses in the UP/Down matches. At the time I had MMA at 11 followed by Nada and actually when uploading pictures of the players I picked MMA's by accident forgetting he wasn't in my top 10.

White-ra has been on a bit of a losing streak to notable opponents. His last really HUGE victories were his wins during the World vs Korea, and since then he has beaten many good players but none that really stick out as a WOAH moment.

I want to preface this by saying I love incontrol and I root for him whenever he plays. Incontrol's MLG results need to be taken with a grain of salt as clearly the tournaments structure and beating TLO twice (iirc he used a fair amount of cheese) and a bunch of decent but not great opponents. Also he just lost to axlav dimaga sjow and spades and while having only the only notable victories being over cruncher/ensnare/qxc recently. I dont really think this is being very beast at the moment.

Sheth - I love sheth holy crap is this guy good. His games vs moon were baller as hell and he was great vs tlo. But to be frank he hasnt beaten anyone else of note recently... winning against grubby, a struggling rainbow, princess, artosis, a struggling qxc and dde really dont impress me like people in the top 10. There is no doubt in my mind though as he plays in more events and becomes a higher seed at tournaments he will absolutely be a prominent and consistent piece of these rankings
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
May 19 2011 15:45 GMT
#11
On May 20 2011 00:33 TheCtd400 wrote:
Idra has the wrong race icon


That is because he was terran in bw. the liquipedia data says hes terran and he's linking from there.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 15:52 GMT
#12
On May 20 2011 00:45 Alejandrisha wrote:
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On May 20 2011 00:33 TheCtd400 wrote:
Idra has the wrong race icon


That is because he was terran in bw. the liquipedia data says hes terran and he's linking from there.


fixed
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Kon-Tiki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States402 Posts
May 19 2011 15:55 GMT
#13
I appreciate that you're doing a foreign and a Korean PR. While probably unreasonable in BW, I feel like the foreign level of play deserves one in SC2
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Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
May 19 2011 15:56 GMT
#14
On May 20 2011 00:44 ditkaordie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 00:24 Surili wrote:
This isn't bad, and i didn't expect to agree with all of it when i saw the thread, so i am reasonable happy with reading this. Personally i don't rate kiwikaki as highly as you do, nor dimaga, who in my opinion has shown little that has blown me away recently.

My biggest issue however is the lack of MMA, after following the GSTL to the end he is a beast, and him falling in the up and down matches is the saddest thing to have happened in korea for a while

I do wonder however what you think of players like: whitera, incontrol, sheth? all three of whom are absolute beasts at the moment, and i can't see them any lower than the people in the second half of that list


Thanks for your feedback.

I wrote this PR after the first round of the GSTL so MMA had yet to play and was fresh off losses in the UP/Down matches. At the time I had MMA at 11 followed by Nada and actually when uploading pictures of the players I picked MMA's by accident forgetting he wasn't in my top 10.

White-ra has been on a bit of a losing streak to notable opponents. His last really HUGE victories were his wins during the World vs Korea, and since then he has beaten many good players but none that really stick out as a WOAH moment.

I want to preface this by saying I love incontrol and I root for him whenever he plays. Incontrol's MLG results need to be taken with a grain of salt as clearly the tournaments structure and beating TLO twice (iirc he used a fair amount of cheese) and a bunch of decent but not great opponents. Also he just lost to axlav dimaga sjow and spades and while having only the only notable victories being over cruncher/ensnare/qxc recently. I dont really think this is being very beast at the moment.

Sheth - I love sheth holy crap is this guy good. His games vs moon were baller as hell and he was great vs tlo. But to be frank he hasnt beaten anyone else of note recently... winning against grubby, a struggling rainbow, princess, artosis, a struggling qxc and dde really dont impress me like people in the top 10. There is no doubt in my mind though as he plays in more events and becomes a higher seed at tournaments he will absolutely be a prominent and consistent piece of these rankings

I feel i got pretty pwned in this response, so i am gonna go ahead and shift the goalposts some more:

My main issue with this power rank is i keep thinking of players who i rank higher than the ones you are listing: Currently in my head is Socke, who is absolutely my favourite protoss, did really well in many tournaments recently such as the gadget show invitational. Notably he lost to sen and TLO in big games but those are two players who are both excellent.

Also, as to what you said about white ra, i don't see how the same exact argument can't be applied to dimaga. If anything because of the NASL white ra has a better claim to being placed there, as the only players he has had trouble with are also in that power rank
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CokaOath
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong75 Posts
May 19 2011 15:59 GMT
#15
MarineKing shall not be overlooked. 3 times 1st runner up in GSL cannot buy him a top10 position? Where Inca, July, Alicia are only 1-season-star so far.
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Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
May 19 2011 16:02 GMT
#16
On May 20 2011 00:59 CokaOath wrote:
MarineKing shall not be overlooked. 3 times 1st runner up in GSL cannot buy him a top10 position? Where Inca, July, Alicia are only 1-season-star so far.



Power ranks are not meant to take into account previous records, only how they are playing now, maybe up to the last month, so MarineKing's impressive record in previous GSLs doesn't count.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 16:05:52
May 19 2011 16:05 GMT
#17
On May 20 2011 01:02 Surili wrote:
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On May 20 2011 00:59 CokaOath wrote:
MarineKing shall not be overlooked. 3 times 1st runner up in GSL cannot buy him a top10 position? Where Inca, July, Alicia are only 1-season-star so far.



Power ranks are not meant to take into account previous records, only how they are playing now, maybe up to the last month, so MarineKing's impressive record in previous GSLs doesn't count.


Yes. However, the OP doesnt specify a time perdiod so it's hard to tell what is going on in terms of what tournaments are taken into account. It seems like it's pretty recent, though.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 16:08 GMT
#18
On May 20 2011 00:56 Surili wrote:
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On May 20 2011 00:44 ditkaordie wrote:
On May 20 2011 00:24 Surili wrote:
This isn't bad, and i didn't expect to agree with all of it when i saw the thread, so i am reasonable happy with reading this. Personally i don't rate kiwikaki as highly as you do, nor dimaga, who in my opinion has shown little that has blown me away recently.

My biggest issue however is the lack of MMA, after following the GSTL to the end he is a beast, and him falling in the up and down matches is the saddest thing to have happened in korea for a while

I do wonder however what you think of players like: whitera, incontrol, sheth? all three of whom are absolute beasts at the moment, and i can't see them any lower than the people in the second half of that list


Thanks for your feedback.

I wrote this PR after the first round of the GSTL so MMA had yet to play and was fresh off losses in the UP/Down matches. At the time I had MMA at 11 followed by Nada and actually when uploading pictures of the players I picked MMA's by accident forgetting he wasn't in my top 10.

White-ra has been on a bit of a losing streak to notable opponents. His last really HUGE victories were his wins during the World vs Korea, and since then he has beaten many good players but none that really stick out as a WOAH moment.

I want to preface this by saying I love incontrol and I root for him whenever he plays. Incontrol's MLG results need to be taken with a grain of salt as clearly the tournaments structure and beating TLO twice (iirc he used a fair amount of cheese) and a bunch of decent but not great opponents. Also he just lost to axlav dimaga sjow and spades and while having only the only notable victories being over cruncher/ensnare/qxc recently. I dont really think this is being very beast at the moment.

Sheth - I love sheth holy crap is this guy good. His games vs moon were baller as hell and he was great vs tlo. But to be frank he hasnt beaten anyone else of note recently... winning against grubby, a struggling rainbow, princess, artosis, a struggling qxc and dde really dont impress me like people in the top 10. There is no doubt in my mind though as he plays in more events and becomes a higher seed at tournaments he will absolutely be a prominent and consistent piece of these rankings

I feel i got pretty pwned in this response, so i am gonna go ahead and shift the goalposts some more:

My main issue with this power rank is i keep thinking of players who i rank higher than the ones you are listing: Currently in my head is Socke, who is absolutely my favourite protoss, did really well in many tournaments recently such as the gadget show invitational. Notably he lost to sen and TLO in big games but those are two players who are both excellent.

Also, as to what you said about white ra, i don't see how the same exact argument can't be applied to dimaga. If anything because of the NASL white ra has a better claim to being placed there, as the only players he has had trouble with are also in that power rank


In no way, shape or form has anything you said been incorrect. My ranking of Dimaga is based a lot more from what I personally have seen from him and his style of play and his showing at GSLWC. White-ra is a fantastic player (as is Socke) that could easily be argued into the top 10. His second place at DH was awesome and more recent than GSLWC so in this regard you are correct. But dimaga beat Nestea, on TV, 2 out of 3, and I still haven't gotten over that. Socke if you notice is a player mentioned a ton as being beaten by those in the top 10. He is another person I see entering (imo again) the top 10 if/when I do this again next month.

I just want to point out that I did not overlook any of the players you mentioned I just did this based a lot on the mindset if I were a pro player in a tourney who would I not want to face more.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 19 2011 16:10 GMT
#19
Nice.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 16:13 GMT
#20
On May 20 2011 01:05 Alejandrisha wrote:
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On May 20 2011 01:02 Surili wrote:
On May 20 2011 00:59 CokaOath wrote:
MarineKing shall not be overlooked. 3 times 1st runner up in GSL cannot buy him a top10 position? Where Inca, July, Alicia are only 1-season-star so far.



Power ranks are not meant to take into account previous records, only how they are playing now, maybe up to the last month, so MarineKing's impressive record in previous GSLs doesn't count.


Yes. However, the OP doesnt specify a time perdiod so it's hard to tell what is going on in terms of what tournaments are taken into account. It seems like it's pretty recent, though.

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I am looking back to around the start of April. Its tough to devolp a set date or period to cut off results due to so many tourneys ending at different times. So MKP's amazing runs and play are pretty much out of the question due to the fact we havent seen that kind of play from him since mid january which is far too long ago
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 16:16 GMT
#21
On May 20 2011 01:10 MrCon wrote:
Nice.
It's Strelok and not Strelock (that's why the name is not TLPDized)


Fixed, Thanks, Im a dumbass
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
May 19 2011 16:22 GMT
#22
Most of the time people write crappy power ranks, but this one was done really nicely. I actually read it all and agree with it very closely.

The korean one is basically perfect. I'm glad you didn't put MMA, because a lot of people overrate him. I might have put nada up there, but he is very inconsistent.

The foreign one is also really good. Naniwa is a beast and I think he would have won TSL if he hadn't lost his composure. I might switch idra and kiwikaki personally.

Finally, I might put white-ra somewhere on that list, but it seems like he plays much better when the stakes are high.


Too bad for huk and jinro. They deserve to be somewhere on this. Huk went through the open bracket and made it championship bracket at mlg. His performance at GSL since getting Code A has been a little disappointing, but I have high hopes for him to get to at least ro8 next season and I think the patch will help his pvp significantly as his pvt is outstanding and his pvz is great.
Jinro has been slumping, but that's what happens when you play koreans. There was an interview where they said that they feel jinro plays a lot of "old builds" and doesn't keep up with the ever changing scene as much as other players.

Huk I would put around #16 on korea list and Jinro around #30.
If they were on the foreigner list, Huk would be in the top 8 for sure and jinro top 15
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 16:47:30
May 19 2011 16:46 GMT
#23
On May 20 2011 01:22 darmousseh wrote:
Most of the time people write crappy power ranks, but this one was done really nicely. I actually read it all and agree with it very closely.

The korean one is basically perfect. I'm glad you didn't put MMA, because a lot of people overrate him. I might have put nada up there, but he is very inconsistent.

The foreign one is also really good. Naniwa is a beast and I think he would have won TSL if he hadn't lost his composure. I might switch idra and kiwikaki personally.

Finally, I might put white-ra somewhere on that list, but it seems like he plays much better when the stakes are high.


Too bad for huk and jinro. They deserve to be somewhere on this. Huk went through the open bracket and made it championship bracket at mlg. His performance at GSL since getting Code A has been a little disappointing, but I have high hopes for him to get to at least ro8 next season and I think the patch will help his pvp significantly as his pvt is outstanding and his pvz is great.
Jinro has been slumping, but that's what happens when you play koreans. There was an interview where they said that they feel jinro plays a lot of "old builds" and doesn't keep up with the ever changing scene as much as other players.

Huk I would put around #16 on korea list and Jinro around #30.
If they were on the foreigner list, Huk would be in the top 8 for sure and jinro top 15


Nada has been top8 every season he has been in! I think that's the definition of consistancy.
I agree about Huk and Jinro. HuK is considered a Korean in this OP and I don't think his achievements at MLG really push him into top10. He is a great player though, and hopefully he can post some nice wins in the super tournament.

Jinro, unfortunately hasn't done anything this month to really make a run at top10 Korea. I'm sure he has been training hard and will make a splash in super tournament, though.
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MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
May 19 2011 17:02 GMT
#24
I'm not sure if I would necessarily change the rankings due to this, but the Nestea series over sC didn't really make me want to give him bonjwa status. I'm a huge nestea fan and I think he's the best zerg, but I think when a player starts dominating he will make stuff like that look easy, game 5 didn't only not look easy, he really should have lost that game (which makes his comeback that much more awesome).

MC used to be like this, but people are showing that a lot of his builds really weren't that safe. I think MvP, despite some upsets, has been the closest to showing that status so far in SC2. When he wins you really think the other guy was behind from start to finish, especially his TvT.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#25
On May 20 2011 02:02 MoreFaSho wrote:
I'm not sure if I would necessarily change the rankings due to this, but the Nestea series over sC didn't really make me want to give him bonjwa status. I'm a huge nestea fan and I think he's the best zerg, but I think when a player starts dominating he will make stuff like that look easy, game 5 didn't only not look easy, he really should have lost that game (which makes his comeback that much more awesome).

MC used to be like this, but people are showing that a lot of his builds really weren't that safe. I think MvP, despite some upsets, has been the closest to showing that status so far in SC2. When he wins you really think the other guy was behind from start to finish, especially his TvT.


I do intend to be rude but there is noone even close to Bonjwa status in SC2... I hate when people call MC and Nestea this because it takes away from the real Bonjwa's of BW like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, OOv, boxer etc etc... I just think that Nestea is the best player in SC2 right now
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
May 19 2011 17:30 GMT
#26
Alicia is going to show you how this game is played real soon. I'm still waitin for him to bust out o_0
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psychopat
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada417 Posts
May 19 2011 17:47 GMT
#27
I'd probably have included Nerchio.

Heck, the guy's won a ton of tournaments since the start of April. I know they're not HUGE tournaments with as much prestige as others, but there's just so many of them. The finals have been people like Cloud, Tarson, Satiini, TT1, Demuslim, Beastyqt, Socke, Diestar, etc, so it's not like there was no competition either.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 17:54:28
May 19 2011 17:52 GMT
#28
On May 20 2011 02:47 psychopat wrote:
I'd probably have included Nerchio.

Heck, the guy's won a ton of tournaments since the start of April. I know they're not HUGE tournaments with as much prestige as others, but there's just so many of them. The finals have been people like Cloud, Tarson, Satiini, TT1, Demuslim, Beastyqt, Socke, Diestar, etc, so it's not like there was no competition either.


If Nerchio is in anyone's top 10 you would not hear a peep of argument from me. Nerchio is a fantastic player and is solidly in the top 15 outside Korea. For him to crack my top 10 he needs a couple more signature wins. He beat morrow recently which is huge, but I would like to see a couple more victories over headlining players.

Also, and I know this is my own personal flaw, I have only seen the guy play like twice. It was hard for me to judge his talent and rank him highly because of his lack of big exposure.

Thanks for your feedback
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Profile Joined April 2011
United States286 Posts
May 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#29
aww you're no fun. Gotta rank all the players together man or there's no controversy.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 18:58 GMT
#30
On May 20 2011 03:51 oo inflame oo wrote:
aww you're no fun. Gotta rank all the players together man or there's no controversy.


ah I see you caught my subtle avoidance of that issue. +1 to you sir
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
May 19 2011 19:20 GMT
#31
Wow, my mind is blown that finally someone has made a PR for SC2 that is completely reasonable (if we follow the old PR format though, Thorzain probably should have been 3rd or so, since we are just going by the previous 31 days, inw hich he has been a beast). Other than that I really don't complain. almost every fan made PR has been utter crap so far so this was pretty refreshing.
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Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
May 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#32
Great post, really enjoyed this and the thought put in to the reasoning behind the rankings. You clearly did your homework (ha!).
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 19:55 GMT
#33
On May 20 2011 04:20 Zlasher wrote:
Wow, my mind is blown that finally someone has made a PR for SC2 that is completely reasonable (if we follow the old PR format though, Thorzain probably should have been 3rd or so, since we are just going by the previous 31 days, inw hich he has been a beast). Other than that I really don't complain. almost every fan made PR has been utter crap so far so this was pretty refreshing.


Thank you so much. Yeah I kinda tried to follow the format where Flamewheel has Hydra ranked around 6 even after he won the MSL because he wasn't proven enough to go into the top 4. Thorzain clearly is an absolute monster but I cant put him above people that are showing similar results everywhere not just in TSL.

On May 20 2011 04:50 Kohbee wrote:
Great post, really enjoyed this and the thought put in to the reasoning behind the rankings. You clearly did your homework (ha!).


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Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10010 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 20:56:07
May 19 2011 20:41 GMT
#34
awesome feature, i havnt been keeping up with both the foreign and korean scene so i cant really give an educated opinion on most of ur selections but once i do i promise that ill chip in more : D

however i have been keeping up with the big names, personally i would have bumped the top 5 koreans up by 1 spot and put mc down at #5 and my top top 3 foreigners would have been 1.thorzain(after his tsl performance) 2.naniwa 3.select(after his performance vs kiwi in the bo7 showmatch they played) 4/5/6 toss up between kiwi idra sen(woulda been determined by tournament results, i have sen up high because of his perfomances in team matchs and his win over idra in nasl) and i would have had nerchio somewhere in the top 10 after his recent performances(i woulda bumped either dimaga/strelok out depending on who had a better month tournament-wse)

pretty sure that we can agree that dgr/mma deserve a spot in next months rankings : )
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Profile Joined January 2011
Canada225 Posts
May 19 2011 20:50 GMT
#35
Idra should be above Kiwikaki. The fact that Idra just won the IPL and Kiwi leads the SC2 foreigner kong line makes it a clear choice IMO.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 23:49 GMT
#36
On May 20 2011 05:41 TT1 wrote:
awesome feature, i havnt been keeping up with both the foreign and korean scene so i cant really give an educated opinion on most of ur selections but once i do i promise that ill chip in more : D

however i have been keeping up with the big names, personally i would have bumped the top 5 koreans up by 1 spot and put mc down at #5 and my top top 3 foreigners would have been 1.thorzain(after his tsl performance) 2.naniwa 3.select(after his performance vs kiwi in the bo7 showmatch they played) 4/5/6 toss up between kiwi idra sen(woulda been determined by tournament results, i have sen up high because of his perfomances in team matchs and his win over idra in nasl) and i would have had nerchio somewhere in the top 10 after his recent performances(i woulda bumped either dimaga/strelok out depending on who had a better month tournament-wse)

pretty sure that we can agree that dgr/mma deserve a spot in next months rankings : )


if DGR had won against MMA (played right before I posted but way after I wrote this) I would have ran around my work office butt naked screaming "THE DONG IS REBORN" put him at all 10 spots because of how awesome he is playing. I think he's my new favorite korean. MMA is an animal and will probably bump Inca or someone unexpected after this upcoming super tournament. So yes we absolutely agree on that

Also, dont forget MC is winning everything he touches outside of Korea (DH Inv and he will probably win Stars War) and he carried OGS to their first team win in the GSTL. He's still a monster and is only losing to all-ins because people prepare so well for him.
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
May 20 2011 02:23 GMT
#37
Definitely in need of MMA.
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Netherlands3111 Posts
June 08 2011 15:04 GMT
#38
ret top 10
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
June 13 2011 19:47 GMT
#39
nice read, i think I actually agree on all parts =o
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Last Edited: 2012-03-30 00:48:18
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