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The Bad Music War - Page 2
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Rustymike
Finland327 Posts
english version of helsinki city boy + Show Spoiler + edit: to op, that sex over the phone was amazing! | ||
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4lko
Poland76 Posts
On May 15 2011 16:10 Plexa wrote: Dno what rules you have but.... Yes that is a legitimate piece of music and came 2nd at some composition festival in the 50s. gl getting to the end of it. I don't mean to sound offensive but you don't know what you're talking about. It's meant to disturb you, not to make you have a good time at the disco. | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
On May 15 2011 23:28 4lko wrote: I don't mean to sound offensive but you don't know what you're talking about. It's meant to disturb you, not to make you have a good time at the disco. If its meant to disturb you, and the composer has successfully made this clear, noone should like it. Even a disturbing movie has a point - theres drama, storytelling, cinematography, theme. Penderecki just makes an orchestra screech gradually louder until he feels like he's built enough tension then starts it all over again. Thats not music, thats wasting my time. Warning: Rebecca Black-esque bad incoming: | ||
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rolfe
United Kingdom1266 Posts
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4lko
Poland76 Posts
On May 16 2011 00:57 susySquark wrote: If its meant to disturb you, and the composer has successfully made this clear, noone should like it. Even a disturbing movie has a point - theres drama, storytelling, cinematography, theme. Penderecki just makes an orchestra screech gradually louder until he feels like he's built enough tension then starts it all over again. Thats not music, thats wasting my time. Warning: Rebecca Black-esque bad incoming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwT_2QQU64 Oh. And what music academy exactly did you graduate from ? Yeah,"makes the orcherstra screech". That's a great way to put it. You may not take my word for it but not every piece of music out there has to have a verse-chorus-verse structure. Don't like it ? Fine. But placing one of the world's most renown composers of our time in the same league as hulk hogan or the rest of the crap posted here is hard to understand. Not that I'm a fan of his music or that I have a huge understanding of orchestral music in general, but I would be careful forming negative opinions about an art that's a bit harder to comprehend than an avarage pop song. | ||
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DoA
Korea (South)599 Posts
Just to address some questions about the rules as well: -There should be video included with the song, but we've made exceptions. Brian and I actually had a bad song war before YouTube got big, but switched over to video since it increased the amount of harm you can do to someone when they have to endure it. P.S. Rustymike your tastes are exquisite. Excellent stuff. Although I think Helsinki Boy comes dangerously close to violating the "no men in thongs" rule. Then again... No one's ever been charged with war crimes in the Bad Music War so I might use it anyway... | ||
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FinnGamer
Germany2426 Posts
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GG.NoRe
Korea (South)1051 Posts
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
On May 16 2011 02:02 4lko wrote: Oh. And what music academy exactly did you graduate from ? Yeah,"makes the orcherstra screech". That's a great way to put it. You may not take my word for it but not every piece of music out there has to have a verse-chorus-verse structure. Don't like it ? Fine. But placing one of the world's most renown composers of our time in the same league as hulk hogan or the rest of the crap posted here is hard to understand. Not that I'm a fan of his music or that I have a huge understanding of orchestral music in general, but I would be careful forming negative opinions about an art that's a bit harder to comprehend than an avarage pop song. Nothing against Penderecki in general, but that piece in general is deliberately dissonant and achromatic. The instruments are not playing notes on purpose - they're hitting violin bodies, playing on the wrong sides of bridges. In my opinion, sounds that aren't "notes," like this, are noise. Which is fine, because so is percussion. A snare hit couldn't carry a melody either. What makes percussion transcend noise and become percussion is rhythm. Which is, again, something Penderecki avoids in the Threnody. That leaves me nothing except noise. Sure, he's trying to create texture and tone through the use of noise, but I can't bring myself to call it music. Its the modern art syndrome, where someone draws a square at the center of a piece of paper and sells it as art. I don't care what the "experts" and "critics" say, its a fucking square. Penderecki has composed other music that is great. My beef is with the Threnody (and things like it) and what it represents - the nose-in-the-air expert who looks down at people who can't appreciate their high-class art. | ||
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4lko
Poland76 Posts
On May 16 2011 03:27 susySquark wrote: Nothing against Penderecki in general, but that piece in general is deliberately dissonant and achromatic. The instruments are not playing notes on purpose - they're hitting violin bodies, playing on the wrong sides of bridges. In my opinion, sounds that aren't "notes," like this, are noise. Which is fine, because so is percussion. A snare hit couldn't carry a melody either. What makes percussion transcend noise and become percussion is rhythm. Which is, again, something Penderecki avoids in the Threnody. That leaves me nothing except noise. Sure, he's trying to create texture and tone through the use of noise, but I can't bring myself to call it music. Its the modern art syndrome, where someone draws a square at the center of a piece of paper and sells it as art. I don't care what the "experts" and "critics" say, its a fucking square. Penderecki has composed other music that is great. My beef is with the Threnody (and things like it) and what it represents - the nose-in-the-air expert who looks down at people who can't appreciate their high-class art. Now THAT is a proper critical opinion. Yes, I understand what you mean mentioning the "modern art syndrome" and it's been a plague ever since that kind of attitude surfaced. For me this piece isn't the case but I get it why you may think of it that way and I'm ok with that. Thanks for clearing that up. Anyway, back to the topic - that "jeans" thing you posted. Dear god... | ||
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DoA
Korea (South)599 Posts
On May 16 2011 03:13 GG.NoRe wrote: Im here DOA, which do you recom? Any link you see is going to be memorable. I can promise that! | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On May 16 2011 03:27 susySquark wrote: Nothing against Penderecki in general, but that piece in general is deliberately dissonant and achromatic. The instruments are not playing notes on purpose - they're hitting violin bodies, playing on the wrong sides of bridges. In my opinion, sounds that aren't "notes," like this, are noise. Which is fine, because so is percussion. A snare hit couldn't carry a melody either. What makes percussion transcend noise and become percussion is rhythm. Which is, again, something Penderecki avoids in the Threnody. That leaves me nothing except noise. Sure, he's trying to create texture and tone through the use of noise, but I can't bring myself to call it music. Its the modern art syndrome, where someone draws a square at the center of a piece of paper and sells it as art. I don't care what the "experts" and "critics" say, its a fucking square. Penderecki has composed other music that is great. My beef is with the Threnody (and things like it) and what it represents - the nose-in-the-air expert who looks down at people who can't appreciate their high-class art. holy shit are you ignorant. First off, do you know what the word threnody means? Penderecki's aim with that piece is to convey the horrific experiences of Hiroshima victims. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE PLEASANT. This isn't simply "noise" Penderecki makes, it's music that achieves its goals in making us feel the horrors and tragedy of the Hiroshima victims. To call this piece of music trash or terrible is an outrage, no matter what your view is. Second of all, the definition of music is SUBJECTIVE. Is your definition of music something that is beautiful? Yet, there is a certain beauty in the most atonal and avant garde of pieces. Music can be defined as organized sound. For some, music can be any sound !! (John Cage) And it's not like this piece of music is totally unorganized too. Penderecki's Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima is rather easy to understand. Seriously, the siren, the screeches and the knocking and such.. it's not very hard to tell what the composer here is trying to convey | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
On May 16 2011 06:34 ArvickHero wrote: holy shit are you ignorant. First off, do you know what the word threnody means? Penderecki's aim with that piece is to convey the horrific experiences of Hiroshima victims. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE PLEASANT. This isn't simply "noise" Penderecki makes, it's music that achieves its goals in making us feel the horrors and tragedy of the Hiroshima victims. To call this piece of music trash or terrible is an outrage, no matter what your view is. Second of all, the definition of music is SUBJECTIVE. Is your definition of music something that is beautiful? Yet, there is a certain beauty in the most atonal and avant garde of pieces. Music can be defined as organized sound. For some, music can be any sound !! (John Cage) And it's not like this piece of music is totally unorganized too. Penderecki's Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima is rather easy to understand. Seriously, the siren, the screeches and the knocking and such.. it's not very hard to tell what the composer here is trying to convey I dont disagree with anything you said... you even covered my counterargument already. Music is subjective. I was merely expressing my opinion that a disturbing auditory image of Hiroshima does not music make. It's just that - an auditory image. Like if I took the sound from a bombing in a war movie. You'd hear sirens, bombs, a cacophony of chaos. Penderecki recreates this with an orchestra. Nowhere did I invalidate it, I've just expressed my opinion that it is not "music" to me. Chill out. Attacking me as ignorant and outrageous is uncalled for. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On May 15 2011 23:28 4lko wrote: I don't mean to sound offensive but you don't know what you're talking about. It's meant to disturb you, not to make you have a good time at the disco. I have to agree with Plexa. Don't automatically say a piece is good because of the hype. Penderecki took an ok piece of music and slapped a moving title on top on it. The piece really has no subtlety, which is its main downfall. It's so exceedingly obvious that it's like recording a crash and arriving emergency vehicles and call it 'Threnody to the Victims of Car Accident'. Is what's disturbing the sound of the piece? Or is it the concept of the victim's screams that is disturbing? Black Angels is a bit better in terms of the disturbing factor, and didn't have to use anything that's already moving in the title. If you want to argue concepts, sound mass technique was done better by both Ligeti and Xenakis, especially Ligeti. Atmospheres is just so masterfully done. Yes Penderecki is a good composer, but I don't think that Threnody would be as famous if it was just called Threnody, without the catch to it. If you really want to fight over Penderecki being good, it's better to cite St. Luke's Passion imo. | ||
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USK
173 Posts
Here is another song to add to you collection, filled to the brim with hipster shit. painful I personally liked Threnody, was it subtle, no, but I don't find that to be a fault with the piece. | ||
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rolfe
United Kingdom1266 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
This is an amazing blog lol Thank DOA :D | ||
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DoA
Korea (South)599 Posts
On May 16 2011 11:48 USK wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYYKOa2KNBY Here is another song to add to you collection, filled to the brim with hipster shit. painful That was absolutely horrible. I laughed. I cried. I swear my laptop started smelling like beer and vomit. Looks like Daddy's money funded a music video. The fact that the lyrics never rose above a 5th grade reading level makes it really accessible. Good find! My brother just sent me this link last night. I remember hearing and detesting this song a while ago. As Carl put it: Ke$ha looks like the illegitimate child of Lady Gaga and manure. It's pretty bad, but hey! She has a golden bicycle! | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
sorry if its not actually bad | ||
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Rustymike
Finland327 Posts
On May 16 2011 02:15 DoA wrote: P.S. Rustymike your tastes are exquisite. Excellent stuff. Although I think Helsinki Boy comes dangerously close to violating the "no men in thongs" rule. Then again... No one's ever been charged with war crimes in the Bad Music War so I might use it anyway... Thank you for the kind words. I'l try to find more god awful music for your listening pleasures, no men in thongs this time (I'll try lol). Now heres something exclusive for you! This guy "Karate Pekka", freely translated Karate-Bob is my little towns local bum (or was, dunno if he's dead already or wtf). Great great great singing by the grandmaster himself. Sorry for the first three being in finnish and oh gawd why do I know this much gay stuff. Edit: Also no Zlad in this thread breaks my heart. | ||
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