The Bad Music War - Page 2

On May 15 2011 16:10 Plexa wrote:
Dno what rules you have but....

Yes that is a legitimate piece of music and came 2nd at some composition festival in the 50s. gl getting to the end of it.

On May 15 2011 23:28 4lko wrote:

I don't mean to sound offensive but you don't know what you're talking about.

It's meant to disturb you, not to make you have a good time at the disco.

On May 16 2011 00:57 susySquark wrote:

If its meant to disturb you, and the composer has successfully made this clear, noone should like it. Even a disturbing movie has a point - theres drama, storytelling, cinematography, theme. Penderecki just makes an orchestra screech gradually louder until he feels like he's built enough tension then starts it all over again. Thats not music, thats wasting my time.

Warning: Rebecca Black-esque bad incoming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwT_2QQU64

On May 16 2011 02:02 4lko wrote:

Oh.
And what music academy exactly did you graduate from ?
Yeah,"makes the orcherstra screech". That's a great way to put it. You may not take my word for it but not every piece of music out there has to have a verse-chorus-verse structure.

Don't like it ? Fine. But placing one of the world's most renown composers of our time in the same league as hulk hogan or the rest of the crap posted here is hard to understand. Not that I'm a fan of his music or that I have a huge understanding of orchestral music in general, but I would be careful forming negative opinions about an art that's a bit harder to comprehend than an avarage pop song.

On May 16 2011 03:27 susySquark wrote:


Nothing against Penderecki in general, but that piece in general is deliberately dissonant and achromatic. The instruments are not playing notes on purpose - they're hitting violin bodies, playing on the wrong sides of bridges. In my opinion, sounds that aren't "notes," like this, are noise. Which is fine, because so is percussion. A snare hit couldn't carry a melody either. What makes percussion transcend noise and become percussion is rhythm. Which is, again, something Penderecki avoids in the Threnody. That leaves me nothing except noise. Sure, he's trying to create texture and tone through the use of noise, but I can't bring myself to call it music.

Its the modern art syndrome, where someone draws a square at the center of a piece of paper and sells it as art. I don't care what the "experts" and "critics" say, its a fucking square.

Penderecki has composed other music that is great. My beef is with the Threnody (and things like it) and what it represents - the nose-in-the-air expert who looks down at people who can't appreciate their high-class art.

On May 16 2011 03:13 GG.NoRe wrote:
Im here DOA, which do you recom?

On May 16 2011 03:27 susySquark wrote:


Nothing against Penderecki in general, but that piece in general is deliberately dissonant and achromatic. The instruments are not playing notes on purpose - they're hitting violin bodies, playing on the wrong sides of bridges. In my opinion, sounds that aren't "notes," like this, are noise. Which is fine, because so is percussion. A snare hit couldn't carry a melody either. What makes percussion transcend noise and become percussion is rhythm. Which is, again, something Penderecki avoids in the Threnody. That leaves me nothing except noise. Sure, he's trying to create texture and tone through the use of noise, but I can't bring myself to call it music.

Its the modern art syndrome, where someone draws a square at the center of a piece of paper and sells it as art. I don't care what the "experts" and "critics" say, its a fucking square.

Penderecki has composed other music that is great. My beef is with the Threnody (and things like it) and what it represents - the nose-in-the-air expert who looks down at people who can't appreciate their high-class art.

On May 16 2011 06:34 ArvickHero wrote:

holy shit are you ignorant. First off, do you know what the word threnody means? Penderecki's aim with that piece is to convey the horrific experiences of Hiroshima victims. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE PLEASANT. This isn't simply "noise" Penderecki makes, it's music that achieves its goals in making us feel the horrors and tragedy of the Hiroshima victims. To call this piece of music trash or terrible is an outrage, no matter what your view is.

Second of all, the definition of music is SUBJECTIVE. Is your definition of music something that is beautiful? Yet, there is a certain beauty in the most atonal and avant garde of pieces. Music can be defined as organized sound. For some, music can be any sound !! (John Cage)

And it's not like this piece of music is totally unorganized too. Penderecki's Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima is rather easy to understand. Seriously, the siren, the screeches and the knocking and such.. it's not very hard to tell what the composer here is trying to convey

On May 15 2011 23:28 4lko wrote:

I don't mean to sound offensive but you don't know what you're talking about.

It's meant to disturb you, not to make you have a good time at the disco.

On May 16 2011 11:48 USK wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Here is another song to add to you collection, filled to the brim with hipster shit. painful

On May 16 2011 02:15 DoA wrote:

P.S. Rustymike your tastes are exquisite. Excellent stuff. Although I think Helsinki Boy comes dangerously close to violating the "no men in thongs" rule. Then again... No one's ever been charged with war crimes in the Bad Music War so I might use it anyway...