EPTAnyway my suggestion is Bisu vs Iris, PvT on Byzantium 3:
Excellent game. Maybe it would be good to pick a favourite game in each matchup to make a consensus and represent all of the game?
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Anyway my suggestion is Bisu vs Iris, PvT on Byzantium 3: Excellent game. Maybe it would be good to pick a favourite game in each matchup to make a consensus and represent all of the game? | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On May 14 2011 06:08 happyft wrote: Thanks for this! As an SC2 only player, I find BW to be really fascinating (of the only several vods I've watched so far) -- especially on how its TvZ is very similar, yet very different from SC2's TvZ. For instance, BW Z takes gas much later than SC2 Z in this matchup, and gets a very fast third (macro hatch) as a result -- because speedlings seem a lot stronger, and the rush distance feels like cross position? Overall the matchup feels a lot more stable in BW, since zerg can hold off any 2-base terran attack with lurker and tech safely to deflier. There just doesn't feel like there's any "safe" equivalent in SC2, the closest thing I can think of is speed banelings, but terrain, army positioning and micro heavily heavily influence how successful a SC2 Z can hold off a T push, whereas in BW it looks like the Z doesn't have to go absolutely nuts, just muta harass + cutoff reinforcements to buy time to get lurker, and things proceed smoothly from there. Exactly! There's time when something odd happens (terran forces a cancel on the Zerg's third/kills it or he tries to kill it and loses an army) but generally players have the timmings down because it's such a common situation than both transition into a lategame siege stage. Terran is trying to take down every expansion the Zerg puts up, usually attacking multiplaces at one time. Zerg tries to use defilers to push the Terran back with Dark Swarm, and eventually if he gets too many gas (to get tons of ultralisks for example) or if he pushes the Terrans too much into their base (lurkers under swarm attacking a terran base are virtually unkillable) the zerg wins. So it's not a matter of "who wins one battle" (usually) but more of, how much you can push the other back and how do you move your pieces to block expansion attemps, flank routes, etc. I hope we get something in HOTS that favours static defence a bit more for Zerg to make transitions smoother, I think that would make watching it more fun for me  | ||
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Yurie
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On May 14 2011 06:08 happyft wrote: Thanks for this! As an SC2 only player, I find BW to be really fascinating (of the only several vods I've watched so far) -- especially on how its TvZ is very similar, yet very different from SC2's TvZ. For instance, BW Z takes gas much later than SC2 Z in this matchup, and gets a very fast third (macro hatch) as a result -- because speedlings seem a lot stronger, and the rush distance feels like cross position? Overall the matchup feels a lot more stable in BW, since zerg can hold off any 2-base terran attack with lurker and tech safely to deflier. There just doesn't feel like there's any "safe" equivalent in SC2, the closest thing I can think of is speed banelings, but terrain, army positioning and micro heavily heavily influence how successful a SC2 Z can hold off a T push, whereas in BW it looks like the Z doesn't have to go absolutely nuts, just muta harass + cutoff reinforcements to buy time to get lurker, and things proceed smoothly from there. It isn't as simple as that, there are several different timings from 2 base terran that can outright kill a zerg. Several version of marine medic that hits before lurkers and breaks the sunkens in order to win early. This can be stopped by having even more sunkens/units, very hard to know for certain that it is coming though. Then the variants of pushing with scan and one-two siege tanks. Doesn't often outright win, but does some damage. Last version is marine, medic, tank then push with one science vessel. Then there are funny pushes that are map dependant and can't be scouted since they can be easily stopped if seen in time, like goliaths. ^^ Probably some build that simply is based on expanding again. For the lols cloaked wraiths can work, but isn't it more 1 base? And that is all I know about TvZ in BW (since I don't play it). | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Kinda surprised though --- by the poll, TL now has a majority of SC2-only people, and that was kind of the demographic I was hoping to reach. But it seems like there is not much interest*. Doesn't everyone see the blog section? I thought of posting to SC2 general but it seems really obnoxious to come in there with a bunch of BW vods even if I'm just trying to share. Oh well. There are a lot "best vods" threads but I didn't really mean it like that. *It sounds tautological but it's not. I know there are plenty of SC2 fans who just haven't exposed to BW properly and plenty of BW fans like me who haven't been exposed to SC2 properly. | ||
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
I do believe this is the best TvZ of all time. An amazing game, and the outcome is not certain until the final 10 seconds. | ||
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des
United States507 Posts
i don't think i forget this but every time i watch a vod i seem to have that revelation all over again | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
Also, this game is a great example showing off why reavers are such awesome units and why they're sorely missed in SC2. While these games are awe-inspiring just from an objective point of view, actually being a fan of the players and watching it live is an entirely different experience. No other sport even comes close for me. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
To show you one of the most extreme cases of Micro in Starcraft BW. Be amazed: + Show Spoiler + A dragoon, a single unit, the equivalent of a Stalker you could say, gets 32 kills and singlehandedly wins the game. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
After watching: Oh man that whole game is like a pimpest plays reel. Good stuff. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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Ideas
United States8142 Posts
On May 14 2011 07:36 Djabanete wrote: Thanks to all the BW aficionados who have suggested other games, and the one SC2 guy. Hope you saw something new ^.^ Kinda surprised though --- by the poll, TL now has a majority of SC2-only people, and that was kind of the demographic I was hoping to reach. But it seems like there is not much interest*. Doesn't everyone see the blog section? I thought of posting to SC2 general but it seems really obnoxious to come in there with a bunch of BW vods even if I'm just trying to share. Oh well. There are a lot "best vods" threads but I didn't really mean it like that. *It sounds tautological but it's not. I know there are plenty of SC2 fans who just haven't exposed to BW properly and plenty of BW fans like me who haven't been exposed to SC2 properly. i really hope this blog reaches a lot of SC2 fans, but I just dont think that many of them "can be bothered to watch a game with such archaic graphics" or something like that. I hope i'm wrong though. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On May 14 2011 10:08 Ideas wrote: i really hope this blog reaches a lot of SC2 fans, but I just dont think that many of them "can be bothered to watch a game with such archaic graphics" or something like that. I hope i'm wrong though. Sadly I don't think alot of SC2 fans even head into the Blog section at all(% wise). Frankly alot of them don't head out of the SC2 section, notice how even the Featured News concerning SC2(The TLFE is an exception to this) does not have alot of replies or even views. Now if they were to post that in the SC2 general section that would get a massive amount of pages and viewers. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
Plus it says BW in the title thats probably why no sc2 people are posting anything. I'd do this but I don't see the point. From everything I've ever read BW people won't ever appreciate Anything that happens in SC2 nowandays. I guess Its just the same the other way around. | ||
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Ideas
United States8142 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Honestly, I'd love if more sc2 people tried to make an effort, like I regularly do out of curiosity for their game, but most don't and stay at the bad graphics part (there are pretty good commentated vods out there, so the language part is not a good reason). And yeah, very few sc2 people come to the blog section. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On May 14 2011 07:26 Yurie wrote: ..... Last version is marine, medic, tank then push with one science vessel. This is the most recent one I've seen. Pretty good game, watch it and see how the game is decided by a single mistake + Show Spoiler + Hydra decides to fully retreat and defend Mind's push out of his natural and third instead of trying to buy time in the middle of the map, which would slow that push even more than vessel heavy one with less number of tanks, and mind breaks the sunken heavy defense with tanks. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On May 14 2011 08:16 Kipsate wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG1U25luMOA To show you one of the most extreme cases of Micro in Starcraft BW. Be amazed: + Show Spoiler + A dragoon, a single unit, the equivalent of a Stalker you could say, gets 32 kills and singlehandedly wins the game. I think the Shield Battery is the unsung hero of that game. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:24 eviltomahawk wrote: I think the Shield Battery is the unsung hero of that game. Hero? Yes. Unsung? I don't think so... "life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" | ||
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