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There's a lot of ideas around the world on stopping or even just limiting people from smoking. I've got n-teen years of experience with smoking and I can tell most of them are wrong.
The problem is that governments (as it's usually them that make the move) approach it from the wrong side, they're banning smoking and impose limitations on smokers, which makes them feel oppressed. It doesn't stop many people from smoking anyway. Can't smoke in clubs/bars? No problem, everyone just smokes in front of them...
What should be done is limiting the tobacco companies. I know it's not going to happen because the lobby is too strong though.
The problem as is now, is that people have too much choice when it comes to smoking. It's a smart way to get more sales and attract more customers, but it's also why so many people smoke or get into smoking.
Solution: Ban tobacco companies from making non-standard cigarettes. No more lights, menthols, slims whatever. Smoking rate drops significantly.
Without all those fancy cigarette types you're left with "established smokers", most women and "casuals" simply quit. Also, the rate at which new people are introduced into the habit of smoking is significantly reduced. Most people begin their journey with some kind of light smokes as standard ones are pretty harsh for a non-smoker (and even for someone who's been smoking lights).
Unfortunately, our market driven world and all-powerful international companies won't go for that. A pity, even from the smoker's point of view.
 
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I agree, they should do the same for every addiction I've ever acquired.
No way you can stop without someone doing it for you 'cos you are addicted right?
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Just let the people smoke.
Let them drink....
Fuck the "health-facism" and tons of retarded rules that are taking over...
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Another smoker's point of view:
Please enjoy your personal freedom of choice to smoke or not, and allow others the same.
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this would actually help for sure, but i dont think it s a "problem" which needs to be fixed, let the smokers smoke, they know what they are up for
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Actually something IS working. The smoking curve for men has taken a pretty significant dive... The womens curve is still lacking behind but most expect it to take a dive soon as well...
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On April 19 2011 19:15 fearus wrote:
Another smoker's point of view:
Please enjoy your personal freedom of choice to smoke or not, and allow others the same.
Right point of view. Agreed completely.
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I do not entirely agree with the ''Let people smoke if they want to'' argument. All the diseases caused by smoking costs a lot of money for the society and we should definitely strive to reduce it as much as possible.
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I am pro paternalism, solely on the basis that the toxins are strongly addictive. There is very little redeeming social value of tobacco products (movie actors need to look cool somehow, right?), and their addictive nature preys on the curious and self-destructive psyche -- which is everyone from time to time, but it shouldn't screw you for life.
Some people have a genetic predisposition toward alcoholism, but alcohol is far less addictive than nicotine. There are also classes of fine fermented beverages that contain safe amounts of alcohol in moderation, but exotic cigarettes are of thin variety and interest -- no one would smoke them merely for there flavor. Anyone who wants just nicotine can buy it clean.
As for danger, people who smoke to excess cannot help themselves. People who drink to dangerous excess probably have other issues going on (or nothing going on), or they're just noobie college students.
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On April 19 2011 19:15 fearus wrote:
Another smoker's point of view:
Please enjoy your personal freedom of choice to smoke or not, and allow others the same.
You are free to smoke if you do it in areas where I don't have to smoke just by walking through the area. Which basically excludes most city centre areas.
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You do realize that the bans smoking in bars and clubs is to protect non-smokers not to prevent smokers from smoking?
And I'm with everyone who says that it's everybody's own choice and the only limitations that should be applied are the ones to prevent 2nd hand smoke and prevent children from obtaining cigarettes.
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On April 19 2011 19:33 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 19:15 fearus wrote:
Another smoker's point of view:
Please enjoy your personal freedom of choice to smoke or not, and allow others the same. Right point of view. Agreed completely.
This isn't an attack on you, but on a certain breed of person who thinks that just because they're a smoker and there are no laws against smoking they're allowed to smoke wherever they fucking want.
Sure, pollute your own system if you want but please realize that not everyone wants to breathe the cancerous smoke you're spewing. I shouldn't have to move away from the group to breathe crisp, clean air because you decided you needed to feed your pathetic addiction. You should move away so as to spare the health of everyone else.
People like those annoy me to no end.
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On April 19 2011 19:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
this would actually help for sure, but I don't think it s a "problem" which needs to be fixed, let the smokers smoke, they know what they are up for
See this would make sense if smoking only affected that person. Newsflash- Smoking in households with infants is proven to increase the rate of SIDS, and yet no laws prevent the smoking of cigarettes in households with children/infants or bring charges forth if said children are affected because you cannot "prove" that the syndrome is smoke related or just normal.
Having to walk to a class that I paid 2 grand for through 10 people who are puffing away infuriates me to no end, and then having to sit through said class next to someone who reeks of smoke really helps my concentration.
If you want to smoke and kill yourself be my guest, but do it where it doesn't affect anyone but yourself(putting environmental concerns aside).
Insuring that smokers/obese people/drunks feel extremely oppressed and looked down upon by society serves us all is an effort to improve our lifestyles/environmental footprint
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Who the hell would do that, though.
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On April 19 2011 19:44 Bac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 19:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
this would actually help for sure, but i dont think it s a "problem" which needs to be fixed, let the smokers smoke, they know what they are up for See this would make sense if smoking only affected that person. Newsflash- Smoking in households with infants is proven to increase the rate of SIDS, and yet no laws prevent the smoking of cigarettes in households with children/infants or bring charges forth if said children are affected because you cannot "prove" that the syndrome is smoke related or just normal. Having to walk to a class that I paid 2 grand for through 10 people who are puffing away infuriates me to no end, and then having to sit through said class next to someone who reeks of smoke really helps my concentration. If you want to smoke and kill yourself be my guest, but do it where it doesn't affect anyone but yourself(putting environmental concerns aside).
idk, i live with 3 heavy smokers as non smoker and it does not bother me that much, but it's personal preference i guess
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On April 19 2011 19:43 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 19:33 Grettin wrote:On April 19 2011 19:15 fearus wrote:
Another smoker's point of view:
Please enjoy your personal freedom of choice to smoke or not, and allow others the same. Right point of view. Agreed completely. This isn't an attack on you, but on a certain breed of person who thinks that just because they're a smoker and there are no laws against smoking they're allowed to smoke wherever they fucking want. Sure, pollute your own system if you want but please realize that not everyone wants to breathe the cancerous smoke you're spewing. I shouldn't have to move away from the group to breathe crisp, clean air because you decided you needed to feed your pathetic addiction. You should move away so as to spare the health of everyone else. People like those annoy me to no end.
He didn't say or imply that he blows smoke on babies and pregnant women. You know one can smoke without doing harm to anyone else. But no you have to dramatize it and make a personal attack on someone who does not deserve it.
People like you annoy me to no end.
Also most of the arguments used against smokers can be used against fat people as well- they don't work out, they eat unhealthy- it's bad it should be banned.
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On April 19 2011 19:52 HeaDStrong wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 19:43 SolHeiM wrote:On April 19 2011 19:33 Grettin wrote:On April 19 2011 19:15 fearus wrote:
Another smoker's point of view:
Please enjoy your personal freedom of choice to smoke or not, and allow others the same. Right point of view. Agreed completely. This isn't an attack on you, but on a certain breed of person who thinks that just because they're a smoker and there are no laws against smoking they're allowed to smoke wherever they fucking want. Sure, pollute your own system if you want but please realize that not everyone wants to breathe the cancerous smoke you're spewing. I shouldn't have to move away from the group to breathe crisp, clean air because you decided you needed to feed your pathetic addiction. You should move away so as to spare the health of everyone else. People like those annoy me to no end. He didn't say or imply that he blows smoke on babies and pregnant women. You know one can smoke without doing harm to anyone else. But no you have to dramatize it and make a personal attack on someone who does not deserve it. People like you annoy me to no end. Also most of the arguments used against smokers can be used against fat people as well- they don't work out, they eat unhealthy- it's bad it should be banned.
You do realize that passive smoking is even worse for the people around you than it is for the smoker right? That is what I'm talking about. Did you neglect the fact that passive smoking exist?
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Arguments like these always lead me to ask why, if you're going to ask the law to get involved with peoples' health, why not just call for bans on the production of cigarettes? Why limit the restrictions on tobacco companies' production to "just make these kinds of cigarettes." Surely just banning the production of ALL cigarettes would solve the problem more effectively?
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On April 19 2011 19:54 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 19:52 HeaDStrong wrote:On April 19 2011 19:43 SolHeiM wrote:On April 19 2011 19:33 Grettin wrote:On April 19 2011 19:15 fearus wrote:
Another smoker's point of view:
Please enjoy your personal freedom of choice to smoke or not, and allow others the same. Right point of view. Agreed completely. This isn't an attack on you, but on a certain breed of person who thinks that just because they're a smoker and there are no laws against smoking they're allowed to smoke wherever they fucking want. Sure, pollute your own system if you want but please realize that not everyone wants to breathe the cancerous smoke you're spewing. I shouldn't have to move away from the group to breathe crisp, clean air because you decided you needed to feed your pathetic addiction. You should move away so as to spare the health of everyone else. People like those annoy me to no end. He didn't say or imply that he blows smoke on babies and pregnant women. You know one can smoke without doing harm to anyone else. But no you have to dramatize it and make a personal attack on someone who does not deserve it. People like you annoy me to no end. Also most of the arguments used against smokers can be used against fat people as well- they don't work out, they eat unhealthy- it's bad it should be banned. You do realize that passive smoking is even worse for the people around you than it is for the smoker right? That is what I'm talking about. Did you neglect the fact that passive smoking exist?
1st no passive smoking is not as harmful as actual smoking. That is complete nonsense. And what I'm saying is that when I (and sure a lot of many other people who smoke) don't go out of our own way to find someone to blow our smoke on.
I choose to smoke and I don't expose others to my smoke leaving them to decide for themselves if they want to expose them to the awesomely delicious and good cigarettes.
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There will never be ANY real political movement against the tobacco companies- anybody who thinks differently is way too naive to be discussing this.
The only foreseeable way imo to dramatically reduce smoking is to completely and utterly humiliate and ostracize smokers in public settings to the point that smoking will shame you and well as your family.
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