• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:54
CEST 23:54
KST 06:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End1Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!41Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End Rush's Odyssey Controversy StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II BW General Discussion Best Games Kespa era
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! [ASL22] Ro24 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10833 users

Math Puzzle [num 19]

Blogs > evanthebouncy!
Post a Reply
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 09:49:33
April 12 2011 09:43 GMT
#1
Friends it's been a while!! Here goes!

==THE PROBLEM==
There is a room with n lightbulbs, n is a power of 2, i.e. n = 2^k. These n lightbulbs are arranged in a straight line.

You and your friend Bob are allowed to discuss a strategy, after the discussion, you and bob will be seperated.

You will receive a piece of paper, and on that piece of paper, there will be a number, which is selected from {1,2,...,n}.

You will then enter a room of the lightbulbs. The initial configurations of the lightbulbs are arbitrary, i.e. some might be on, some might be off. you must flip one and only one light switch and then exit the room.

Bob will then enter the room, and depending on what he sees, he will be able to answer correctly what was the number you were given on that piece of paper.

Describe the strategy.



Again, put answers in spoilers, put discussion NOT in spoilers, have fun. Generate some discussions, etc

Oh yeah it's not a trick question where bob will feel the temperature or anything like that...


mini-sub-problems:
Can you do it for n = 2?
Can you do it for n = 4?
Solving specialized instances of this problem is quite rewarding as well

QnA(hopefully not too many T_T)
On April 12 2011 18:46 MisterD wrote:
does arbitrary configuration mean, they are arranged randomly on the wall, or that they are randomly switched on and off before you enter?

The latter, they are in a straight line and the on/off is arbitrary.

*****
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
April 12 2011 09:46 GMT
#2
does arbitrary configuration mean, they are arranged randomly on the wall, or that they are randomly switched on and off before you enter?
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
April 12 2011 09:53 GMT
#3
I believe this problem is very similar to one that I posted a couple years back in my blog. I will refrain from participating in this one, as it will be interesting to see how people approach this problem.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 12 2011 10:30 GMT
#4
Solution for n=2

+ Show Spoiler +

o = on
x = off
Bold is flip
j = number on paper

Tell Bob:
xx = j=1
ox = j=2
xo = j=1
oo = j=2

Starting possibilities:
j=1
xx
ox
xo
oo

j=2
xx
ox
xo
oo

I know that this is terribly done, but it 5:30 in the morning and I've been up all night lol.

My first suggestion was to break bulb #j, but apparently thats cheating :Þ
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
incnone
Profile Joined July 2009
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 11:17:19
April 12 2011 11:00 GMT
#5
Good to see you back -- you always post good puzzles.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 12 2011 11:02 GMT
#6
Solution for n=4
+ Show Spoiler +

j is number you are told

If single light on or off, n=j
If all same: x=1
If 2 same: position of second of type in col.1

Proof:
Start__ j=1 _ j=2 __ j=3 _ j=4
xxxx | oxxx xoxx xxox xxxo
oxxx | xxxx ooxx oxox oxxo
xoxx | xxxx ooxx xoxo xoox
xxox | xxxx xxoo oxox xoox
xxxo | xxxx xxoo xoxo oxxo
ooxx | oxxx xoxx ooxo ooox
xoox | xooo xoxx xxox ooox
xxoo | xooo oxoo xxox xxxo
ooox | oooo ooxx oxox xoox
xooo | oooo xxoo xoxo xoox
oooo | xooo oxoo ooxo ooox
oxoo | oooo xxoo oxox oxxo
ooxo | oooo ooxx xoxo oxxo
ooox | oooo ooxx oxox xoox
oxxo | oxxx oxoo ooxo xxxo
ooxx | oxxx xoxx ooxo ooox
oxxx | xxxx ooxx oxox oxxo



again, i'm kind of tired so I can't think of the full proof for n=n lol. Perhaps tomorrow I will
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
April 12 2011 11:14 GMT
#7
+ Show Spoiler +
Call the number of the piece of paper x
I give each lightbulb a unique name from 0 to n-1.
Then I calculate m=binary xor of the names of all light bulbs which are on.
now I calculate s=m xor (x-1) and switch the bulb with that name.

Bob calculates m'=binary xor of the names of all light bulbs which are on and then adds 1 to obtain x.

Originally I tried a similar scheme with addition modulo n, but that didn't work out because I needed switching on->off and off->on have the same effect on m. The xor scheme only works on powers of two, but the question kindly restricted it to that.
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
Seth_
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Belgium184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 15:10:52
April 12 2011 14:09 GMT
#8
n=2 solution (probably the same as iGrok but it's explained better)
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm counting from 0..n-1 since I'm a computer science student with off=0, on=1.

If the number is 0, you turn the first light off (if it's already off, just flip the second light)
If the number is 1, you turn the first light on (if it's already on, just flip the second light)
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 14:36:01
April 12 2011 14:34 GMT
#9
On April 12 2011 23:09 Seth_ wrote:
btw There's no solution for n=1 although it's a power of 2. You probably mean 2^k for k>0

n=2 solution (probably the same as iGrok but it's explained better)
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm counting from 0..n-1 since I'm a computer science student with off=0, on=1.

If the number is 0, you turn the first light off (if it's already off, just flip the second light)
If the number is 1, you turn the first light on (if it's already on, just flip the second light)

EDIT: I suppose this works. I dislike it though :p
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
April 12 2011 14:37 GMT
#10
On April 12 2011 23:09 Seth_ wrote:
btw There's no solution for n=1 although it's a power of 2. You probably mean 2^k for k>0

The solution is trivial for n=1. The number on the piece of paper is always "1", so bob just needs to say "1" and he is done.
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 12 2011 16:12 GMT
#11
theres also no solution for non-integer k :p
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:08:15
April 12 2011 17:54 GMT
#12
+ Show Spoiler +
Hamming Code

Suppose n = 8 and the following is our random on/off (red/black) sequence:

[image loading]

By applying Hamming Code, we can represent every number in the range of 1 to 8 by making use of the first, second and fourth lightbulbs as parity checkers:

[image loading]

Not long ago, a TL user posted a question that could be resolved using Hamming Code as well. Is this a new trend or something?
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
April 12 2011 20:28 GMT
#13
On April 13 2011 02:54 EsX_Raptor wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hamming Code

Suppose n = 8 and the following is our random on/off (red/black) sequence:

[image loading]

By applying Hamming Code, we can represent every number in the range of 1 to 8 by making use of the first, second and fourth lightbulbs as parity checkers:

[image loading]

Not long ago, a TL user posted a question that could be resolved using Hamming Code as well. Is this a new trend or something?


I actually don't know... can you link me? :p
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 20:51:39
April 12 2011 20:50 GMT
#14
Here's one thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=206477

I also made a pretty drawing in there explaining in more detail how the...

+ Show Spoiler +
... Hamming Code...

... works.

^^
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
April 12 2011 20:56 GMT
#15
On April 13 2011 05:50 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Here's one thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=206477

I also made a pretty drawing in there explaining in more detail how the...

+ Show Spoiler +
... Hamming Code...

... works.

^^


Ah but that one is exactly the same as 1000 jars of millk 1 poisoned or what not and you have 10 slaves etc. I don't think you need hamming code to do that one since I did it w/o any knowledge of it. However I was having lots of trouble doing this one w/o hamming code. Maybe the two are really similar, it's just the process is reversed: One is you have something wrong, how to detect it, one is if you detect, what is wrong.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
April 12 2011 21:03 GMT
#16
On April 13 2011 05:56 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 05:50 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Here's one thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=206477

I also made a pretty drawing in there explaining in more detail how the...

+ Show Spoiler +
... Hamming Code...

... works.

^^


Ah but that one is exactly the same as 1000 jars of millk 1 poisoned or what not and you have 10 slaves etc. I don't think you need hamming code to do that one since I did it w/o any knowledge of it. However I was having lots of trouble doing this one w/o hamming code. Maybe the two are really similar, it's just the process is reversed: One is you have something wrong, how to detect it, one is if you detect, what is wrong.

I agree.

Also, you know there are many ways to kill the tiger. What I like the most is seeing how users with different professions/backgrounds/interests tackle the same problem in their own way. ^^
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
April 13 2011 02:10 GMT
#17
On April 13 2011 06:03 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 05:56 evanthebouncy! wrote:
On April 13 2011 05:50 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Here's one thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=206477

I also made a pretty drawing in there explaining in more detail how the...

+ Show Spoiler +
... Hamming Code...

... works.

^^


Ah but that one is exactly the same as 1000 jars of millk 1 poisoned or what not and you have 10 slaves etc. I don't think you need hamming code to do that one since I did it w/o any knowledge of it. However I was having lots of trouble doing this one w/o hamming code. Maybe the two are really similar, it's just the process is reversed: One is you have something wrong, how to detect it, one is if you detect, what is wrong.

I agree.

Also, you know there are many ways to kill the tiger. What I like the most is seeing how users with different professions/backgrounds/interests tackle the same problem in their own way. ^^


mind if I ask what is your background?
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IPSL
16:00
CSLAN Day 2
Airneanach300
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ZombieGrub63
StarCraft: Brood War
scan(afreeca) 17
Dota 2
XaKoH 760
League of Legends
Doublelift4963
JimRising 362
Counter-Strike
summit1g6506
fl0m2292
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King102
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu470
Other Games
gofns15564
Grubby2020
Liquid`RaSZi1735
Mlord456
elazer99
RotterdaM95
ROOTCatZ43
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1133
BasetradeTV68
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 165
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21719
Other Games
• imaqtpie1685
• Shiphtur378
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h 6m
Afreeca Starleague
12h 6m
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
13h 6m
The Patches Monday
18h 6m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 12h
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
1d 13h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
Proleague 2026-08-16
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.