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rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
April 05 2011 20:51 GMT
#1
Decided to take a different look at betting on the finals for a bit of fun, just playing around really but decided to write up my findings and musings

Here are the odds

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I decided to take a look at the possibility of making two bets that are sort of "combined", one on Mvp at the -2.5 game handicap and one of MKP at the +1.5 handicap.

For simplicities sake, these two bets would leave me in the situation of

Mvp 0 - 4 MKP ---- WIN ---- MKP at the +1.5
Mvp 1 - 4 MKP ---- WIN ---- MKP at the +1.5
Mvp 2 - 4 MKP ---- WIN ---- MKP at the +1.5
Mvp 3 - 4 MKP ---- WIN ---- MKP at the +1.5
Mvp 4 - 3 MKP ---- WIN ---- MKP at the +1.5
Mvp 4 - 2 MKP ---- LOSS
Mvp 4 - 1 MKP ---- WIN ---- Mvp at the -2.5
Mvp 4 - 0 MKP ---- WIN ---- Mvp at the -2.5

Now the odds for these are as follows

Mvp (-2.5) @ 2.400
MKP (+1.5) @ 2.540

and the amounts I would put on to make the payouts close if either bet wins (since the odds arent the same) will be

10 units on Mvp (-2.5) @ 2.400
9.5 units on MKP (+1.5) @ 2.540

creating the payout distribution to be as follows for the different results

Mvp 0 - 4 MKP +4.63
Mvp 1 - 4 MKP +4.63
Mvp 2 - 4 MKP +4.63
Mvp 3 - 4 MKP +4.63
Mvp 4 - 3 MKP +4.63
Mvp 4 - 2 MKP -19.50
Mvp 4 - 1 MKP +4.50
Mvp 4 - 0 MKP +4.50

So we are basically betting against a 4-2 victory for Mvp.

Now I decided to work out the probability of this result. I gave Mvp different probabilities to win a single game against MKP ranging from him having a 30% chance to win a single game, to a 90% chance. (Note: player A who would beat player B 60% of the time in a bo1, would NOT win a bo99 60% of the time, his chances would be much higher)

Here is the table I came up with that shows the probability of each result given the different probabilities Mvp has of winning a single game

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...and from this I can make an expected value of the bet given the different probabilities

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and a graph of probability to win a single game against expected earnings

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Pictures are weird sizes o.O

So as we can see this bet would be a bad one if Mvp's chances of winning a game are inbetween ~56% to ~76.5%, and if his chances are either side of that, we can expect a profit, which increases the further you get from this range.

I should note that this does not take into account factors such as players emotions affecting their play, for example if MKP wins the first game, his confidence would increase and Mvp would feel more pressure, changing the probabilities of the result over the next single game.

Also I'd like to state that we have a small group on skype for SC2 bet discussions, only 4 of us at the moment but if you would like to be added to it PM me your Skype id

Post your thoughts and if you see if i've made any mistakes in my calc or theory (very possible) and any bets you are planning on making for the GSL finals! GL HF


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rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
April 05 2011 20:52 GMT
#2
Note: since typing these up the odds have changed
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
April 05 2011 21:07 GMT
#3
This math confuses me.
+ Show Spoiler +

Anyway, I don't think it's surprising more people think MVP's gonna win. He 4-0'd MarineKing last time. And MarineKing doesn't seem as absolutely amazing as he did in GSL4 (Games vs. Nada and Jinro. Yeah, MKP seemed so much more amazing). Now MarineKing's been in a slump as of late, not doing as well in the Team Leagues and being knocked down into the Up/Down matches in the last GSL (then again, MVP is in Code A now). I don't think anyone really expected him to beat MC.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
April 05 2011 21:09 GMT
#4
What's the website? I wouldn't mind to do some money betting either O_o
750/750 emotions fully stacked
MrWinkles
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States200 Posts
April 05 2011 21:09 GMT
#5
Cool analysis, but wouldn't you say in any given game mvp DOES have around a 56-76% chance of winning? Given that high level players usually slump around 55% and peak around 75% win rate this seems like the butter zone for a high level player. That being said, crazy things happen, and I remember some 4-0 series...

That being said, I like your analysis process. Good luck on your bets!
What does the knight do?
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2298 Posts
April 05 2011 21:10 GMT
#6
On April 06 2011 06:09 arew wrote:
What's the website? I wouldn't mind to do some money betting either O_o

http://www.pinnaclesports.com/
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
April 05 2011 21:13 GMT
#7
On April 06 2011 06:09 MrWinkles wrote:
Cool analysis, but wouldn't you say in any given game mvp DOES have around a 56-76% chance of winning? Given that high level players usually slump around 55% and peak around 75% win rate this seems like the butter zone for a high level player. That being said, crazy things happen, and I remember some 4-0 series...

That being said, I like your analysis process. Good luck on your bets!


Yea I haven't made this bet since before I started I thought to myself MVP is probably about 60-65% to win a single game but I still enjoy doing this kind of thing =]
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
April 05 2011 21:30 GMT
#8
On April 06 2011 06:10 ffswowsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 06:09 arew wrote:
What's the website? I wouldn't mind to do some money betting either O_o

http://www.pinnaclesports.com/


Thanks!

GL rANDY, hope you win
750/750 emotions fully stacked
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
April 06 2011 07:28 GMT
#9
Any kind of statistics is necessarily just a bunch of data samples about past events. Any conclusions drawns from them necessarily only describe what happened in those sets of events. As such, the concept of "x% of winning" in the case of a single event is meaningless, as it assumes class probability which describes a set of events, not a single one.
Aah thats the stuff..
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
April 06 2011 12:50 GMT
#10
These stats havent been taken from any past events, its just maths, the only bit where any opinion would come is at the end where its up to people to make a judgement themselves, i've made no assumptions on any chances of x to win, just some analysis so those that want to make that prediction can see if this would be a profitable bet.
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